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MissRepresentation

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A couple of questions for the experts about withdrawing an inland application and re-submitting as outland:

1- We received AOR on the inland app about a month ago. Would we still be able to re-submit using the same receipt or are the $1,040 gone if we withdraw?
2- Will the $75 sponsorship fee be lost?

Many thanks.
 

Awesomeg

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The application fee will be lost...

the Right of Landing you will need submit an application to get it back....

The way that Immigration officers make their decisions is difficult to predict...

I would thing that withdrawing may be interpreted as the person being sponsored did not want to stay in Canada anymore....
or can be interpreted as that you don't want to sponsor the person anymore.... the withdrawal will stay in your record...
forever.....
and may be a factor in the decision to approve the file if you submit outland again...... that is the main risk...

I have seen cases that took too long to submit the application after the marriage, and got rejected.

My advise is to keep the file going as it is now...

It may take longer but better not to make any unnecessary moves,
you decided to apply inland... and now is better to keep it going like that.

If you no longer want to sponsor your family members or that they no longer wish to immigrate to Canada, you must inform CPC-M at CPCM-EXTCOM@cic.gc.ca of your decision to withdraw your undertaking before they are issued permanent resident visas.
•If you inform the CPC-M before your family members are issued permanent resident visas ◦CPC-M will take steps to stop the application process for permanent residence, record the withdrawal of your sponsorship and close your file. You will be informed in writing that your withdrawal was accepted.
 

canuck_in_uk

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Awesomeg said:
I would thing that withdrawing may be interpreted as the person being sponsored did not want to stay in Canada anymore....
or can be interpreted as that you don't want to sponsor the person anymore.... the withdrawal will stay in your record...
forever.....
and may be a factor in the decision to approve the file if you submit outland again...... that is the main risk...
It won't be interpreted that way at all. They can simply explain that they were not aware that inland would take so long, and that because the inland processing times keep increasing and outland is much faster, they have decided to change the app.
 

MissRepresentation

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Well, yes! If switching to outland raises red flags then this whole process is a lot more ridiculous than I thought and they can go f%ck themselves with a stick. We just never knew that it's possible to file an outland app while being in Canada, just found out this week reading through old posts in this forum. I'm from a visa-exempt country, already in Canada, and just got an extension on my visitor stay.

Inland processing times have gone up from 10 to 13 months since we applied in late June, whereas the Paris visa office is getting it done in 8 months. I assume that as long as this is mentioned at the time of withdrawal and somewhere in the new app we should be fine.
 

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I completely disagree with Awesomeg.

You can withdraw your inland file and reapply outland without causing CIC any concerns about the validity of your relationship. Your withdraw and reapplication is extremely easily explained. Just reference the processing times, say you just found out you could apply outland, and you'll be fine.

If I was in your place I would cancel the inland and go outland. Others on this forum have successfully done this in the past. It's not like you're trying to do something that's unheard of.
 

MissRepresentation

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Thanks for your input. I assumed that this was possible, but my concern had more to do with the possibility of having to pay the whole lot of fees again because we have already received AOR (although we don't have an UCI number and we're not able of logging into E-cas yet).

Any ideas of whether we're likely to get a partial / full refund or not?

Thanks.
 

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MissRepresentation said:
Thanks for your input. I assumed that this was possible, but my concern had more to do with the possibility of having to pay the whole lot of fees again because we have already received AOR (although we don't have an UCI number and we're not able of logging into E-cas yet).

Any ideas of whether we're likely to get a partial / full refund or not?

Thanks.
You've only just received AOR from Mississauga, not sponsor approval yet, right? If that's the case I would think you will definitely get the rprf back, and the applicant fee. I'm unsure if you would get the $75 sponsor fee back, since you received AOR but not the actual sponsor approval.
 

MissRepresentation

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Correct, no sponsor approval yet. If we withdraw the inland application, do we need to wait until they acknowledge it has been withdrawn before we re-apply outland?
 

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The guide for INLAND applications, actually recommends that people apply outland instead to get faster processing. So there would be zero issue with withdrawing an inland app and submitting an outland one. It's up to CIC what payments gets returned. To be safe I'd assume they will keep everything except the RPRF fee.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5289ETOC.asp
The family class is aimed at faster processing of spouse or common‑law partner applications from applicants outside Canada.

Processing times for spouses or common‑law partners in Canada are generally longer.

The person being sponsored can apply to a visa office outside Canada to take advantage of the family class processing standard. Processing times for applications processed in Canada are posted on our Web site.
 

Awesomeg

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scylla said:
I completely disagree with Awesomeg.

You can withdraw your inland file and reapply outland without causing CIC any concerns about the validity of your relationship. Your withdraw and reapplication is extremely easily explained. Just reference the processing times, say you just found out you could apply outland, and you'll be fine.

If I was in your place I would cancel the inland and go outland. Others on this forum have successfully done this in the past. It's not like you're trying to do something that's unheard of.
Yes,
You are right.... I just express my opinion about what may be the risk...
I would stay as Inland... just because I like to play safe...
But absolutely.... If everything is explained I t should be OK,
If I were the Visa Officer I would pay attention to this detail if explained in the new application....

But everybody has its own way to face situation that offer some risk...
 

Awesomeg

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MissRepresentation said:
Correct, no sponsor approval yet. If we withdraw the inland application, do we need to wait until they acknowledge it has been withdrawn before we re-apply outland?

That is a good question,
I would give CIC calling centre a call to find out what is their position,
if you need to have this file closed before opening a new one...

CIC Phone number 1-888-242-2100
 

lellen

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Hi, just wanted to say a few things,


I withdrew my inland application and then my husband was approved as a sponsor without any issues for the outland app. I also received a visitor extension after that, so no red flags were raised. He said in the letter of withdrawal that he was still committed to me and we just wanted to switch from inland to outland.

We are going to get all our money back this month. It takes four months for you to get your money back.

Your application won't be returned to you (unless you're lucky, unlike us. We actually asked for it, they never sent it back).

We actually paid the whole thing again when we re-applied. There was no point in waiting for the money back.

This is the email I got when I called CIC about withdrawing:


Withdrawal of Application - CPC Mississauga

Please note that you can only withdraw an application before the person you are sponsoring and his family members, if applicable, are given a permanent resident visa.

If you want to cancel your sponsorship application, you must send the request by email to the Case Processing Centre (CPC) in Mississauga, Ontario.

You can also send a letter/fax. Please include the following information:

Your name;
Your date of birth;
Your address;
The date you sent your application;
Your client ID (if you have one);
The type of application (e.g. sponsorship of my spouse);
The reason for the withdrawal; and
A copy of the E-Payment receipt or a copy of both sides of the official Receipt (IMM 5401).
Please find below the contact information for the CPC (if you mail/fax your withdrawal request, you have to write Withdrawal of Application on the envelope/fax):

General Mailing address
CPC Mississauga
P.O. Box 6100, Station A
Mississauga, ON
L5A 4H4
Courier Address
CPC Mississauga
2 Robert Speck Parkway,
Suite 1200
Mississauga, ON
L4Z 1H8
Fax: (905) 803-7392

The CPC will review your request and let you know if it has been accepted. Please note that if a final decision has been made, the withdrawal request will not be accepted and you will have to respect your sponsorship obligations.

If your withdrawal request is accepted, a refund should be issued within 16 weeks.

The amount of the refund will depend on the processing stage of your application:

If the processing of your application has not yet started, you will be refunded the total amount.
If the processing of your application has started, but we have not made a decision on your eligibility to sponsor, you will be refunded the Right of Permanent Residence Fee (RPRF) and all processing fees, but not the $75 sponsorship fee.
If the processing of your application has started and we have already made a decision on your eligibility to sponsor, only the RPRF will be refunded.
Note:

If your file is overseas, you must also send your withdrawal request to the responsible visa office.
If the co-signer wishes to withdraw from the sponsorship, they must also send a copy of the Sponsorship Agreement and Undertaking (IMM 1344) to CPC Mississauga with a written acknowledgement of the removal of the co-signer, which all signatories on the original Agreement (i.e., sponsor, co-signer and sponsored family member) must then initial.
 

Awu

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lellen said:
Hi, just wanted to say a few things,


I withdrew my inland application and then my husband was approved as a sponsor without any issues for the outland app. I also received a visitor extension after that, so no red flags were raised. He said in the letter of withdrawal that he was still committed to me and we just wanted to switch from inland to outland.

We are going to get all our money back this month. It takes four months for you to get your money back.

Your application won't be returned to you (unless you're lucky, unlike us. We actually asked for it, they never sent it back).

We actually paid the whole thing again when we re-applied. There was no point in waiting for the money back.

This is the email I got when I called CIC about withdrawing:
Wondering how long it took you to get approve withdraw your case?
 

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scylla said:
I completely disagree with Awesomeg.

You can withdraw your inland file and reapply outland without causing CIC any concerns about the validity of your relationship. Your withdraw and reapplication is extremely easily explained. Just reference the processing times, say you just found out you could apply outland, and you'll be fine.

If I was in your place I would cancel the inland and go outland. Others on this forum have successfully done this in the past. It's not like you're trying to do something that's unheard of.
I also disagree with awesomemeg, I had my inland application returned to me to update a form, I decided not to continue with inland and reapplied outland on August 6th, I just got decision made yesterday, November 18th, 3.5 months later...granted my visa office is a fast one but I can attest that there was no ill-will towards my application even though they were fully aware I had previously applied Inland as I stated in my cover letter.
 

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Awu said:
Wondering how long it took you to get approve withdraw your case?
Well it's been six months since we withdrew and we haven't heard anything. Application still shows as "in process" on Ecas.