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Canada Opens to Unlimited number of Ukrainian Immigrants

armoured

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If they can load people onto planes like they did in Afghanistan, they can do the same in Ukraine. I assume there was next to no vetting/screening done there.
No, that was different in several ways:
-First was the 'opponent' was not a significant risk in terms of attacking flights (Taliban had basically no air force and wasn't targetting aircraft) - there was a tacit agreement to let the other countries involved use the airport to evacuate (for a period). Most of the 'action' was outside the gates of the airport and whether individuals could get to the airport anyway).
-Canada and other countries like US were doing vetting/screening - they'd issued documents for those allowed to board those flights, and they were operating those flights semi-jointly (those with documents issued by one of several countries could board the flights of others, IF they could get to the airport and through the gates.
-Those people in Afg who were issued documents before/during the immediate phase of that crisis were to a very large degree people who had worked for the Canadian armed forces, government, or news media that had been working for some time on getting them status (and far, far too slowly processed by IRCC in my opinion). They were for the most part NOT unknown quantities. (BTW some were issued not visas but 'promise documents' and some of them still stuck, I understand).
-The flights done by Canada didn't come direct to Canada but to some intermediate location (I think in Germany). A fair number left on flights operated by other countries and some of them ended up in Ukraine (Ukrainian military in Kabul was very pro-active in helping get some from the city to the airport, essentially saving the lives of some coming to Canada by the way). I know some were reportedly still in Ukraine when Russia attacked (not sure any of those were those who were supposed to go to Canada though).

Ukrainians are mostly fleeing by land to neighbouring countries that are not an immediate security risk. Fortunately European countries have opened their borders (waived visa requirements) and are (in huge numbers) being hosted in private homes. (And very generously, have some contacts that are doing this - in some cases several families).

It's perfectly understandable and logical that Canada would take the position that the immediate, short-term needs for shelter and food etc are best addressed directly in Europe. (Transport costs alone to Canada would absorb lots of money compared to eg food in Romania or Poland).

If Canada has a strength or advantage (compared to what can be done in neighbouring countries and compared to just giving money to help them there), it's willingness to accept refugees/those who fled for longer periods (again, transport costs) and to let them work for some period, possibly years, as well as Ukrainian/Russian speaking communities and family links that are willing to host and help.

Could/should IRCC do it more quickly? Sure. Maybe. Arguably. (Let's see how they implement).

But it's not very much like Afghanistan - not at all really.
 
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My niece has said she's not willing to come to Canada now for some reasons that I won't divulge. My mother in law is stuck now because she is dependent on someone helping her make her way out of Ukraine. She's 71(mother in law) and has a medical condition with her colon(she had cancer that has affected colon funtion). We've got no one to travel with her and navigate with her to Poland, or another country. Is there any humanitarian organizations who can coordinate and escort her out? She(as far as we know) still desires to leave, even leaving her son and daughter in law and niece. If she's willing to leave, I want to be prepared to still at least help my mother in law get out.
 

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Is there any humanitarian organizations who can coordinate and escort her out? She(as far as we know) still desires to leave, even leaving her son and daughter in law and niece. If she's willing to leave, I want to be prepared to still at least help my mother in law get out.
I'd suggest the various Ukrainian Canadian organizations would be the most likely in Canada to know something (anything) at all about it. Ukrainian Canadian Congress seems to be the biggest and I think an umbrella organization, but I've no direct knowledge. Might want to start with them, hopefully they'd at least have suggestions of whom to contact.
 

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Yeah, its prudent to move with an existing visa type and apply. I don't trust even the most morally upright gov't in the world these days(whoever that might be), so there could be some truth to them buying time. If they can load people onto planes like they did in Afghanistan, they can do the same in Ukraine. I assume there was next to no vetting/screening done there.
I think security screening was all done on the ground there in a field tent and a yes/no questionnaire lol
They just need 2 weeks to flatten the curve lol
 

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I think security screening was all done on the ground there in a field tent and a yes/no questionnaire lol
They just need 2 weeks to flatten the curve lol
Not at all. People who left Afghanistan had been already screened because they had worked for Canada or another Western country and most were already in the process of applying to immigrate to Canada for a very long time. There were some who still hadn’t finished their screening and they were taken to a 3rd country to wait until their processing had finished. Some went to the Middle East, some went to the Baltics, etc. some are still there. US did the same thing. The situations are very different.
 
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Hopefully the emergency travel document will be announced early next week. I'm watching for updates to pass on to people I know.

My expectation is that you won't need to be in Ukraine to apply from the visa. I think those who have left Ukraine for Poland, etc. will qualify as well.

Hope your wife is in one of the somewhat safer areas (at least for now) like Lviv.
 

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Hopefully the emergency travel document will be announced early next week. I'm watching for updates to pass on to people I know.

My expectation is that you won't need to be in Ukraine to apply from the visa. I think those who have left Ukraine for Poland, etc. will qualify as well.

Hope your wife is in one of the somewhat safer areas (at least for now) like Lviv.
Actually my wife's trv was just approved.
 
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scylla

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Phalos

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That's amazing. Congrats. You must be so relieved.
Yes. Very much so, thank you!
Ok so she is in Bulgaria right now, but I'm not seeing any VAC in Bulgaria..how is that possible??? Can she drive to Istanbul VAC? what is the process here?
 

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28-06-2010
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05-10-2010
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Yes. Very much so, thank you!
Ok so she is in Bulgaria right now, but I'm not seeing any VAC in Bulgaria..how is that possible??? Can she drive to Istanbul VAC? what is the process here?
Not all countries have VACs.

I just looked it up and Bucharest (Romania) is the VAC responsible for Bulgaria. See the contact info below.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/contact-ircc/offices/international-visa-offices/bucharest.html

I don't know about driving to Istanbul.
 
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armoured

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I just looked it up and Bucharest (Romania) is the VAC responsible for Bulgaria. See the contact info below.
If all of the submission is to be by mail or courier (which is the case in most places still do to covid I think), that's quite normal within the EU - and would not suggest going specifically to istanbul unless there is some reason not mentioned here.
 

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If all of the submission is to be by mail or courier (which is the case in most places still do to covid I think), that's quite normal within the EU - and would not suggest going specifically to istanbul unless there is some reason not mentioned here.
I just emailed them for instructions...I have no clue.