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Can Postdoc here apply for CES

xihy06

Star Member
Jul 15, 2013
163
2
Germany
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2113
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-Aug-2013
Doc's Request.
10-Mar-2014
AOR Received.
09-Oct-2013
IELTS Request
Submitted with app
Med's Done....
Upfront 01-Dec-2013
Passport Req..
27-May-2014; VO change Req.:28-May; Confirmation Rec.: 12-June
Thanks Boven2012. I also noticed you quote 2121 as your NOC code and that's what I am gonna do too, because I don't think the duties under 4011 (postdoc fellow) fit my work very much, but my specialty 2113 fits much better.

Hope yours is going fine and wish guys here all the best with their CECs!
 

boven2012

Star Member
Feb 1, 2013
80
6
Visa Office......
CPP-O
App. Filed.......
03-11-2012
AOR Received.
20-12-2012
Med's Request
03-08-2013
Med's Done....
17-08-2013
LANDED..........
20-01-2014
xihy06 said:
Thanks Boven2012. I also noticed you quote 2121 as your NOC code and that's what I am gonna do too, because I don't think the duties under 4011 (postdoc fellow) fit my work very much, but my specialty 2113 fits much better.

Hope yours is going fine and wish guys here all the best with their CECs!
NP. Just check where your duties fit best and use that NOC
Good Luck :)
 

xihy06

Star Member
Jul 15, 2013
163
2
Germany
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2113
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-Aug-2013
Doc's Request.
10-Mar-2014
AOR Received.
09-Oct-2013
IELTS Request
Submitted with app
Med's Done....
Upfront 01-Dec-2013
Passport Req..
27-May-2014; VO change Req.:28-May; Confirmation Rec.: 12-June
boven2012 said:
NP. Just check where your duties fit best and use that NOC
Good Luck :)
Got one more question, how did you deal with your pay stubs? I am on the direct deposit and every month NSERC sent me an email notification showing only the monthly salary and that's all. I sent email to ask they say it is our stub... I am not sure if I should print them out....
 

boven2012

Star Member
Feb 1, 2013
80
6
Visa Office......
CPP-O
App. Filed.......
03-11-2012
AOR Received.
20-12-2012
Med's Request
03-08-2013
Med's Done....
17-08-2013
LANDED..........
20-01-2014
xihy06 said:
Got one more question, how did you deal with your pay stubs? I am on the direct deposit and every month NSERC sent me an email notification showing only the monthly salary and that's all. I sent email to ask they say it is our stub... I am not sure if I should print them out....
This is a classic problem with NSERC fellows, i just printed my 6 month pay-stubs (e-mail) and sent along with my application.
 

xihy06

Star Member
Jul 15, 2013
163
2
Germany
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2113
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-Aug-2013
Doc's Request.
10-Mar-2014
AOR Received.
09-Oct-2013
IELTS Request
Submitted with app
Med's Done....
Upfront 01-Dec-2013
Passport Req..
27-May-2014; VO change Req.:28-May; Confirmation Rec.: 12-June
boven2012 said:
This is a classic problem with NSERC fellows, i just printed my 6 month pay-stubs (e-mail) and sent along with my application.
i c.. many thanks Boven2012.
 

xihy06

Star Member
Jul 15, 2013
163
2
Germany
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2113
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-Aug-2013
Doc's Request.
10-Mar-2014
AOR Received.
09-Oct-2013
IELTS Request
Submitted with app
Med's Done....
Upfront 01-Dec-2013
Passport Req..
27-May-2014; VO change Req.:28-May; Confirmation Rec.: 12-June
Hey guys, I am not sure about one question when filling the forms.

I am a postdoc and I want to use the NOC under my subject I say 2113 'oceanographer' but not 4011 as a postdoc. So what title I should write in the 'Current occupation' box in IMM008, 'activity' in Personal history in IMMM5669 (backgroud dec), and 'occupation' in schedule 8?

Should I fill with 'oceanographer' in each box and avoid to use postdoctoral fellow? I think the three boxes should be with the same title. and Boven, how did you do that?
 

gladaki

Champion Member
Jul 15, 2012
1,683
27
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
17-11-2013
AOR Received.
30-12-2013
IELTS Request
submitted with application
Med's Done....
Upfront on 29th April..Updated on Ecas on 26th May
Passport Req..
11-07-2014
VISA ISSUED...
17-07-2014
LANDED..........
20-07-2014
xihy06 said:
Hey guys, I am not sure about one question when filling the forms.

I am a postdoc and I want to use the NOC under my subject I say 2113 'oceanographer' but not 4011 as a postdoc. So what title I should write in the 'Current occupation' box in IMM008, 'activity' in Personal history in IMMM5669 (backgroud dec), and 'occupation' in schedule 8?

Should I fill with 'oceanographer' in each box and avoid to use postdoctoral fellow? I think the three boxes should be with the same title. and Boven, how did you do that?
My NOC is 2113 and I used same job profile which is in referece letter..You should use whatever they give u in reference letter
 

xihy06

Star Member
Jul 15, 2013
163
2
Germany
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2113
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-Aug-2013
Doc's Request.
10-Mar-2014
AOR Received.
09-Oct-2013
IELTS Request
Submitted with app
Med's Done....
Upfront 01-Dec-2013
Passport Req..
27-May-2014; VO change Req.:28-May; Confirmation Rec.: 12-June
gladaki said:
My NOC is 2113 and I used same job profile which is in referece letter..You should use whatever they give u in reference letter
My offer says I am employed as a postdoctoral fellow, thus in my supervisor's reference letter he also mentions i am a post-doc, but he also mentions my research field is oceanography, and my duties listed matches 2113 as an oceanographer very much. Is it good enough to use oceanographer?
 

boven2012

Star Member
Feb 1, 2013
80
6
Visa Office......
CPP-O
App. Filed.......
03-11-2012
AOR Received.
20-12-2012
Med's Request
03-08-2013
Med's Done....
17-08-2013
LANDED..........
20-01-2014
xihy06 said:
Hey guys, I am not sure about one question when filling the forms.

I am a postdoc and I want to use the NOC under my subject I say 2113 'oceanographer' but not 4011 as a postdoc. So what title I should write in the 'Current occupation' box in IMM008, 'activity' in Personal history in IMMM5669 (backgroud dec), and 'occupation' in schedule 8?

Should I fill with 'oceanographer' in each box and avoid to use postdoctoral fellow? I think the three boxes should be with the same title. and Boven, how did you do that?
As Aki, said i also used what my job offer letter says, "post doctoral fellow"
 

xihy06

Star Member
Jul 15, 2013
163
2
Germany
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2113
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-Aug-2013
Doc's Request.
10-Mar-2014
AOR Received.
09-Oct-2013
IELTS Request
Submitted with app
Med's Done....
Upfront 01-Dec-2013
Passport Req..
27-May-2014; VO change Req.:28-May; Confirmation Rec.: 12-June
boven2012 said:
As Aki, said i also used what my job offer letter says, "post doctoral fellow"
Thanks aki and boven. but I remember you used the NOC 21xx, is that ok you fill the occupation name with postdoc while followed by the code 21xx ? I'm confused..
 

chandn

Star Member
Nov 6, 2012
151
0
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2121
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
26-11-2012
AOR Received.
20-1-2013
IELTS Request
Sent with Application
Med's Request
21/8/2013
Med's Done....
26/8/2013
Passport Req..
9 Oct 2013
VISA ISSUED...
24 oct 2013
LANDED..........
6 nov 2013
I would be better to use 'working as a postdoctoral fellow in oceanograpy, and you can use subject specific NOC code rather than general 4011
 

chandn

Star Member
Nov 6, 2012
151
0
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2121
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
26-11-2012
AOR Received.
20-1-2013
IELTS Request
Sent with Application
Med's Request
21/8/2013
Med's Done....
26/8/2013
Passport Req..
9 Oct 2013
VISA ISSUED...
24 oct 2013
LANDED..........
6 nov 2013
Hi boven2012

I also applied under 2121, did you get your medical
 

xihy06

Star Member
Jul 15, 2013
163
2
Germany
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
2113
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-Aug-2013
Doc's Request.
10-Mar-2014
AOR Received.
09-Oct-2013
IELTS Request
Submitted with app
Med's Done....
Upfront 01-Dec-2013
Passport Req..
27-May-2014; VO change Req.:28-May; Confirmation Rec.: 12-June
chandn said:
I would be better to use 'working as a postdoctoral fellow in oceanograpy, and you can use subject specific NOC code rather than general 4011
well thats a good idea! thanks chandn.
 

grishan1

Hero Member
Sep 5, 2013
204
2
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 28, 2013
AOR Received.
Apr 12, 2013
Med's Request
Dec 7, 2013
Med's Done....
Dec 13, 2013
Passport Req..
Dec 18, 2013
LANDED..........
Jan 24, 2014
I am postdoc form University of Toronto, with T4A (applied at Feb 2013, my status is still "Application Received").
I know some postdocs from UofT who were accepted, and some postdocs who were rejected basing on T4A (in general, T4A is for self-employment and scholarships). This is because some immigration officer do not know about our situation and made wrong decisions.

There are different definitions of employee. According to work definition (not taxation!), postdocs are employee, since: (1) we work full-time, (2) we use University equipment, (3) we are forbidden to work outside the University. Therefore, postdocs are eligible for CEC program. I wrote something like this in my cover letter, and I ask my referees to write it for me. I also wrote that many other Canadian universities had already switched to T4 taxation policies. (I can send an example if someone is interested).

If you are planning to include your contract to your application, read it carefully before doing this, may be it has something that can look suspicious for immigration officer (if you have T4A). And this is not mandatory to include your contract.

You can also write that Ontario Labour Relations Board determined that postdoctoral fellows should be considered as full-time employees within the meaning of the Labour Relations Act. You can ask for more details CUPE: http://cupe3902.org