CAN I BE DENIED ENTRY TO CANADA IF I PREVIOUSLY OVERSTAYED ON MY U.S. VISITOR STATUS

[screech339]

The entry-exit system, to be fully in place by June 30, is a crucial feature of the vaunted Beyond the Border perimeter security pact with the United States. The tracking system involves exchanging entry information collected from people at the land border — so that data on entry to one country would serve as a record of exit from the other.

In addition, Canada plans to collect information on people exiting by air — something the U.S. already does — by requiring airlines to submit passenger manifest data for outbound international flights.

I believe Canada already gets the information from US for flights into US from Canada and vise/versa. As I mentioned before, had the OP left Canada to a country other than US, Canada would have had a hard time knowing when the OP really left Canada. If the OP leaves to US in any way, by train, plane or land crossing, Canada will get the information from US regardless.

However when Canada actually collect outbound passenger manifest leaving to countries internationally other than US, we really don't know. The only way to know is if someone recently ordered CBSA records and see if Canada does track any recent outbound flights.

 

[Ponga]

The way that it is worded "...for outbound international flights", rather than "...for flights to The U.S.", leads me to believe that is covers all international flights, but...who really knows for sure.

 

[screech339]

The way that it is worded "...for outbound international flights", rather than "...for flights to The U.S.", leads me to believe that is covers all international flights, but...who really knows for sure.

I agree, but the Canada/US sharing information is a completely separate agreement since the US border/Canada border actually share the information. Airlines still doesn't share outbound information to CBSA. CBSA only gets the information from US Border once the US bound plane lands and process the passengers. Tracking outbound international flights requires an agreement with airlines themselves and CBSA. A completely difference kind of agreement between completely different parties.

 

[Ponga]

I agree, but the Canada/US sharing information is a completely separate agreement since the US border/Canada border actually share the information. Airlines still doesn't share outbound information to CBSA. CBSA only gets the information from US Border once the US bound plane lands and process the passengers. Tracking outbound international flights requires an agreement with airlines themselves and CBSA. A completely difference kind of agreement between completely different parties.

I guess you missed this part:

by requiring airlines to submit passenger manifest data

 

[screech339]

I guess you missed this part:

by requiring airlines to submit passenger manifest data

Yes. But is there an agreement made between airlines and cbsa to provide passenger manifest. So unless Canada forces airlines to provide it, by preventing airlines from taking off without it, we are not going to see CBSA collecting outbound flight until an agreement is made.

 

[Ponga]

Yes. But is there an agreement made between airlines and cbsa to provide passenger manifest. So unless Canada forces airlines to provide it, by preventing airlines from taking off without it, we are not going to see CBSA collecting outbound flight until an agreement is made.

I imagine that CBSA will have no trouble getting the airlines to comply.

Ok, time to let this thread get back on topic.

 

[rhcohen2014]

so *technically* the op can fly to somewhere other than the us, then return to the us, and attempt re-entry with a pr application submitted. could that really be a loophole for getting back in status?

 

[brucem]

CBSA were due to implement a system last June to track those leaving on outbound international flights. This was delayed due the legeslative changes required. The last I heard in September 2014 CBSA had refused to disclose when they intended to start the process but would update in 'due course'.

 

[screech339]

I imagine that CBSA will have no trouble getting the airlines to comply.

Ok, time to let this thread get back on topic.

As mentioned it would require a bill passed in commons to make airlines comply with it.

The only way to know if CBSA actually start collecting outbound flight info is to order CBSA entry/exit records not long after you come back from your international flight other than US. It's the only way to confirm it.

You could ask Jamesdavid to order his CBSA entry/exit record of his recent flight out to UK and back and see if CBSA did in fact get a record of him leaving Canada.

 

[bg13]

Great information. I don't know why I didn't come here sooner.
I would of try to go back to the US and come back after a couple of days but I don't want to take that risk of being denied entry, although I do have some ties to the US; I go to school "online" and my daughter is there. I wouldn't mind applying outland while in Canada but she will need to go to school and private school is not an option right now. I was told by the school board (Quebec) that she won't need a student permit since she'll be in kindergarten but after that she would.
So going to stay with family, find a job and submit the papers as soon as possible.

****Quick questions****
Is there a time limit on the medical exams? My daughter and I took our exam on October 2014. I hope they'll be good enough for the outland app.
I just received my FBI background check (this is the 2nd one since the first one I requested to early and apparently its only good for 3 months.)



THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP!!!!