Called CIC today and got starnge answer

[Phil89]

Actually, you are completely wrong here.

Yeah right give me a break. there are always the lucky ones. but in general no one is going to do it.

 

[Regina]

in general no one is going to do it.

Yes, of course. And especially it is true for highly skilled.

 

[praneet87]

Yes, your chances are 0. There are enough engineers who are looking for work and hoping to get LMIA INSIDE Canada. No one would even bother going through this bureaucratic process just to get someone they have never even seen into Canada. Unless you are some sort of a genius which I figure is not your case..

Not 0. Please don't be harsh to him, he has always been polite on this forum; that was another caustic individual that caused all the ruckus.

In this scenario, he will get ITA if his score is relatively higher. You don't need LMIA to get into Canada. They will get maybe 5000 immigrants a year if that is the case. Immigrants came to Canada based on the 67 point system without a job and that will be the case now also. If he has good experience, isn't too old he will be in Canada soon as PR.

 

[omaus25]

It does not matter : inside or outside. The process with HRDC is the same in both cases. And the MAIN REASON why it is impossible to get LMIA for occupations in NOC 0 and A (better chances in B) is because there is a lot of citizens and PR who are engineers and want that job.

The only advice I can give- try companies in small communities in less popular among Canadians places like Saskatchewan, Manitoba, North of AB and BC, maybe even Yukon.

That's an interesting point, the reason why I have been able to talk to potential employers is because of certain specific experience I have in the field, under north american standards (the cold weather, snow conditions, ASTM, ASSHTO, technical specs, software, and such), and the places for these opportunities are small cities, less than 30K people, they mentioned that not too many people want to move to their locations, and the job posts have been there for a while. The post that offers me a letter of recommendation to apply for a temporary visa so I could go and interview with them is still in their website and in the job bank. Last time I spoke with the engineer responsible, was like 3, 4 weeks ago, and his question was, are you in Canada? then we discuss the attempts to find 2 Engineers to be relocated to that specific city, we decided then to waith until EE comes to play to see if the CEO of that company (32 employees total), will agree on helping me with a sponsorship.

So I am waiting...

Somehow we participate in these forums as a way to ease our emotions and give us hope, to share with other people the dream of better opportunities, but man, what a drain when you find such d***bags... thanks for the info and the input!

 

[Regina]

We are talking not about EE chances (1) but about getting a job offer (and LMIA for it) from outside of Canada (2).

(1) is possible pretty much as for any other applicant without job offer/LMIA
(2) is 99.99% impossible as it is impossible for almost any high skilled out of Canada applicant

 

[praneet87]

Yeah right give me a break. there are always the lucky ones. but in general no one is going to do it.

I did my co-op at a certain phone company based in Waterloo

A friend I made there was recruited from India. He had excellent experience and the field he specialized in was very niche. It is in so much demand that he has gotten calls from MS and Apple (Silicon Valley and Seattle) but he has other career plans and didn't go that way. In his scenario they applied for PR under LMIA and Sponsorship. This was done in 2011. So LMIA was needed to go and hire foreign workers. He would get his PR quick.

The remaining people getting PR every year don't need a LMIA (for CEC, a job in Canada with the appropriate skills is needed and for FSW work experience is needed) If you have these then you are good. They will not make claims of getting 300k immigrants if LMIA is needed for everything.

 

[Regina]

then we discuss the attempts to find 2 Engineers to be relocated to that specific city, we decided then to waith until EE comes to play to see if the CEO of that company (32 employees total), will agree on helping me with a sponsorship.

This is a possibility for you. If in couple of months they still would not find anybody who wishes to relocate then you have a good chance that the CEO will get convinced that you are their best shot and agrees to apply for LMIA (it is actually costs $1000 for employer :) for you.

 

[Phil89]

Yes, of course. And especially it is true for highly skilled.

I will repeat it again: no one will sponsor anyone. There are enough Canadians/PRs as well as on work permits looking for jobs and filling positions. Unless he comes to Canada and goes to interviews, he might have a chance.
In provinces like Saskatchewan and Manitoba, the local governments travel outside of Canada to recruit high skilled and trades people. Local business won't do anything UNLESS that person is a genius or fast food worker. In Alberta we have about 80,000 TFW and that doesn't include students.

 

[mf4361]

It does not matter : inside or outside. The process with HRDC is the same in both cases. And the MAIN REASON why it is impossible to get LMIA for occupations in NOC 0 and A (better chances in B) is because there is a lot of citizens and PR who are engineers and want that job.

The only advice I can give- try companies in small communities in less popular among Canadians places like Saskatchewan, Manitoba, North of AB and BC, maybe even Yukon.

Actually Saskatchewan has the lowest unemployment rate in Canada. At 3.4% its almost reaching a level of full workforce participation. AB is at 4.5%, 3rd lowest province in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/unemployment-stats/

 

[Phil89]

That's an interesting point, the reason why I have been able to talk to potential employers is because of certain specific experience I have in the field, under north american standards (the cold weather, snow conditions, ASTM, ASSHTO, technical specs, software, and such), and the places for these opportunities are small cities, less than 30K people, they mentioned that not too many people want to move to their locations, and the job posts have been there for a while. The post that offers me a letter of recommendation to apply for a temporary visa so I could go and interview with them is still in their website and in the job bank. Last time I spoke with the engineer responsible, was like 3, 4 weeks ago, and his question was, are you in Canada? then we discuss the attempts to find 2 Engineers to be relocated to that specific city, we decided then to waith until EE comes to play to see if the CEO of that company (32 employees total), will agree on helping me with a sponsorship.

So I am waiting...

Somehow we participate in these forums as a way to ease our emotions and give us hope, to share with other people the dream of better opportunities, but man, what a drain when you find such d***bags... thanks for the info and the input!

Yes you can always dream and hope just to keep yourself busy

 

[Phil89]

Actually Saskatchewan has the lowest unemployment rate in Canada. At 3.4% its almost reaching a level of full workforce participation. AB is at 4.5%, 3rd lowest province in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/unemployment-stats/

So what? Do you actually know how many people floating to Sask in hope to get a job and stay permanently?

 

[Regina]

In his scenario they applied for PR under LMIA and Sponsorship.

There is no sponsorship (he was not a family member). He just applied under FSW with high score because of LMO the employer managed to get based on his unique skills.

If you have these then you are good. They will not make claims of getting 300k immigrants if LMIA is needed for everything.

Actually only around 80 000 (family members included). So, all together it is around 20 000 + applications will be processed in EE category. Other numbers to get to 280 000 immigrants target a year come from family sponsoring, live in, humanitarian grounds...

 

[Regina]

By the way, because not many people in occipations in NOC 0, A, B could get LMIA from abroad means that there will not be many applicants with high points, like 950+. Because most people on TWV in Canada are in NOC C and D, and could not apply under EE. So the main competition in EE will be between applicants with 380-500 points. And it means any average applicant will have it chance.. unless CIC will still have a list of preferable occupations (as Australia has)

 

[praneet87]

There is no sponsorship (he was not a family member). He just applied under FSW with high score because of LMO the employer managed to get based on his unique skills.
Actually only around 80 000 (family members included). So, all together it is around 20 000 + applications will be processed in EE category. Other numbers to get to 280 000 immigrants target a year come from family sponsoring, live in, humanitarian grounds...

What was the previous FSW and CEC cap?

 

[Phil89]

By the way, because not many people in occipations in NOC 0, A, B could get LMIA from abroad means that there will not be many applicants with high points, like 950+. Because most people on TWV in Canada are in NOC C and D, and could not apply under EE. So the main competition in EE will be between applicants with 380-500 points. And it means any average applicant will have it chance.. unless CIC will still have a list of preferable occupations (as Australia has)

which IS great! People who have studied, worked, lived and paid taxes here for years should have a priority