Bill C-6: Senate stage

[itsmyid]

Skipped as usual...............Senator Frum is not planning to open the discussion anytime soon

she is too busy introducing Jewish heritage month

 

[marcher]

So in other words, send their children by descent to Canada for schooling at taxpayer's expense and then leave Canada to pass on citizenship to their children. Repeat it over and over. This is no difference from the old retention rule. It doesn't stop citizenship from being passed on for generations.

I am assuming you are referring to lower education; higher education is expensive here even for Canadian citizens.

 

[screech339]

I am assuming you are referring to lower education; higher education is expensive here even for Canadian citizens.

In my opinion, if a canadian by descent wants ability to pass on citizenship, there should be some form of give back to Canada to earn it. Say for example, work solid 5 years in Canada (no social assistance, no EI can count towards earning ability to pass on citizenship).

 

[marcher]

she is too busy introducing Jewish heritage month

Linda Frum is of Jewish faith, so she introduces Jewish heritage month. Senator Ngo is Vietnamese, so he will rub everyone's nose in any opportunity to praise Vietnamese people. Each Senator has his or her own agenda or subject of interest that they like to give a speech about and enjoy the others applauding at the end of it. Senate protocol I guess . Interesting subjects, but not sure why are they brought into the Senate.

 

[marcher]

In my opinion, if a canadian by descent wants ability to pass on citizenship, there should be some form of give back to Canada to earn it. Say for example, work solid 5 years in Canada (no social assistance, no EI can count towards earning ability to pass on citizenship).

You make a good fair point, but that is not how the system works, at least not in most of the countries that I know of. Your home country is always your home country no matter how much you put or did not put in its system.
I have not been a resident of my home country for over a decade, but everytime I visit all I need to do is show my ID card and benefit from all public services such as health ..etc

 

[screech339]

I am assuming you are referring to lower education; higher education is expensive here even for Canadian citizens.

Higher education are still subsidized to canadian/pr how matter how expensive it cost. Otherwise everyone would be paying "international fees" for higher education.

 

[tyl92]

for 2016 .. i guess then it's mostly over
if you look at the 2017 calendar .. they are coming back on January 31st , from february to june ( 4 months ) they have a total of 6 weeks in break period ,and then in june they have their massive and hardly-deserved 3 months vacation until september .
Well..from mid december to beginning of february 2017 ,nothing will happen for c6 unfortunately.

 

[admontreal]

In my opinion, if a canadian by descent wants ability to pass on citizenship, there should be some form of give back to Canada to earn it. Say for example, work solid 5 years in Canada (no social assistance, no EI can count towards earning ability to pass on citizenship).

Then you are saying that someone who immigrates here (PR), doesn't do anything (stays on EI), studies for subsidized tuitions and applies for citizenship after 4 years should be granted the right to pass their citizenship but not people with Canadian blood who grew up here and had the misfortune of being born abroad because of their parents choice or misinformation ? I am sorry but this is not logical at all...

 

[admontreal]

You make a good fair point, but that is not how the system works, at least not in most of the countries that I know of. Your home country is always your home country no matter how much you put or did not put in its system.
I have not been a resident of my home country for over a decade, but everytime I visit all I need to do is show my ID card and benefit from all public services such as health ..etc

Same here. A person of Canadian origin should always have a priviledged and realistic path to Canadian citizenship.

Screech339, I assume that the ideal citizenship system for you would be :

- No birthright citizenship unless BOTH Canadian parents by birth
- No blood-connection citizenship unless a Canadian Diplomat or Military
- 3-tiers citizenship: 1/White Canadians 2/ Non-white Canadians 3/ Omar khadr
- Forced labor camps for all kids born in Canada for 10 years so they would 'earn' their right for citizenship, otherwise, we pitch them in the Ocean (they will have the choice between Atlantic and Pacific).

You know that after a generation with this system everybody would be deported right ?

 

[screech339]

Same here. A person of Canadian origin should always have a priviledged and realistic path to Canadian citizenship.

Screech339, I assume that the ideal citizenship system for you would be :

- No birthright citizenship unless BOTH Canadian parents by birth
- No blood-connection citizenship unless a Canadian Diplomat or Military
- 3-tiers citizenship: 1/White Canadians 2/ Non-white Canadians 3/ Omar khadr
- Forced labor camps for all kids born in Canada for 10 years so they would 'earn' their right for citizenship, otherwise, we pitch them in the Ocean (they will have the choice between Atlantic and Pacific).

You know that after a generation with this system everybody would be deported right ?

My position is that canadian citizenship shouldn't automatically get to be passed on for generations. So unless you got a better way to limit it, I'm all ears. Otherwise you are just someone who advocates passing on citizenship for generations with no link to Canada (only access to canadian benefits) with no contribution towards it. In other words, you want canadians by descents to mooch off canada's generosity and social benefits.

 

[admontreal]

My position is that canadian citizenship shouldn't automatically get to be passed on for generations. So unless you got a better way to limit it, I'm all ears. Otherwise you are just someone who advocates passing on citizenship for generations with no link to Canada (only access to canadian benefits) with no contribution towards it. In other words, you want canadians by descents to mooch off canada's generosity and social benefits.

Did you read my first post about that ?

I suggested a way to treat the Canadian by descent the same way we do treat the Canadians by grant (naturalized) by allowing them to pass their citizenship after having lived here for at least the number of years it takes to be naturalized.

If you can't understand this suggestion then I highly doubt on your willingless to discuss. It's like a qui proquo where you sound, with all due respect, like a broken tape of Jason Kenney's quotes. I am really sorry to tell you that but you don't seem to care or accept the concept of fairness ans equality, and keep repeating that immigrants are abusing Canada's generosity (you seem to have forgotten that Canada is made by and for immigrants) and social benefits ( most of which need a residence period), like a broken tape (again). So please, try to be open for once.


How on earth could you accept that being born in Canada is a stronger link than spending 3 or 4 years here ?

 

[Shmak2017]

Liberals will not grant moratorium on citizenship revocation

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-will-not-grant-moratorium-on-citizenship-revocation/article32309581/

 

[screech339]

Did you read my first post about that ?

I suggested a way to treat the Canadian by descent the same way we do treat the Canadians by grant (naturalized) by allowing them to pass their citizenship after having lived here for at least the number of years it takes to be naturalized.

If you can't understand this suggestion then I highly doubt on your willingless to discuss. It's like a qui proquo where you sound, with all due respect, like a broken tape of Jason Kenney's quotes. I am really sorry to tell you that but you don't seem to care or accept the concept of fairness ans equality, and keep repeating that immigrants are abusing Canada's generosity (you seem to have forgotten that Canada is made by and for immigrants) and social benefits ( most of which need a residence period), like a broken tape (again). So please, try to be open for once.


How on earth could you accept that being born in Canada is a stronger link than spending 3 or 4 years here ?

I have no issues with giving canadian by descent ability to pass on citizenship so long as there is some sort of give back to Canada, that is also in Canada's interests like paying towards social benefits out of it. Staying in Canada on social assistance for 5 years just so he/she can pass on citizenship is not in Canada's best interests.

This is no difference from the new points system visa express to the old points system. It is not in Canada's best interests to give immigrants PR that has no job lined up. Much like the old system was. Lots of doctors driving cabs. It's better for Canada if PR are given to those with job offers.

 

[marcher]

Same here. A person of Canadian origin should always have a priviledged and realistic path to Canadian citizenship.

Screech339, I assume that the ideal citizenship system for you would be :

- No birthright citizenship unless BOTH Canadian parents by birth
- No blood-connection citizenship unless a Canadian Diplomat or Military
- 3-tiers citizenship: 1/White Canadians 2/ Non-white Canadians 3/ Omar khadr
- Forced labor camps for all kids born in Canada for 10 years so they would 'earn' their right for citizenship, otherwise, we pitch them in the Ocean (they will have the choice between Atlantic and Pacific).

You know that after a generation with this system everybody would be deported right ?

Hahahaha we complain about the system for making the process difficult on us, yet one of us Mr Screech339 has some pretty strong opinions on denying children of Canadians born abroad from their right of nationality of the nation of their parents. If citizenship is purely based on what a person contributes to the system, half of the population of Canada would be deported or expelled to noman land

Based on his logic some indigenous individuals will be deported too, i wonder where to though

 

[admontreal]

You know me personally?? That's funny. I really like to know just how much you know me.

At least I pay taxes and contribute to Canada's economy. BTW: I'm not a cab driver. I have nothing against cab drivers but it is pretty sad that educated immigrants end up driving cabs because they took PR without any job lined up in the first place. And they have the balls to complain about working at minimum wage and not having a decent job related to their field of work?

They just did like all the immigrants: Hoping for a better life.
They took taxi driving jobs because they had kids to raise, bills and rents to pay, planning to work on their program equivalence recognition by a government that told them all was possible. When that was achieved and they went on the job market they realized they would never land a job in their field. Not because they are not qualified, or not experienced, but because of other reasons that were never told to them before. So yes, they have the right to complain that their life can't get any better when they gave so much efforts. Every Canadian has the right to hope that their situation can improve with appropriate efforts. And everybody has the 'balls' (as you say) to do so.

Screech339, I will ask you a question and I understand if you decline to answer: did you immigrate to Canada ?
Believe it or not, the answer could help me understand more and put your positions in perspective.