Bill C-6: Senate stage

[noba el king]

HoC may put the bill in a big problem if they refuse the amendment and send it back to senate

 

[MarceauBletard]

On this link: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HouseChamberBusiness/ChamberSittings.aspx?View=N&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1
You can see that the HoC is responding today with a message concerning the disagreement with C-4's amendments.
(go on today's date under "Motions Respecting Senate Amendments to Bills")

If you go here for C-4: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?billId=8073132&Language=E&Mode=1
And if you compare here with C-6: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?billId=8117654&Language=E&Mode=1
You'll see that C-4 and C-6 are almost the same in the timeline.
C-4's Senate message with amendments was sent to HoC on April 12 and it took 4 sitting days for the HoC to respond.
That gives us an idea how long it might take for C-6.

I would advise people to call MP's, not to ask them to accept the amendments (because anyway, the Senate will most likely accept their decision), but to take a decision fast and send the message back to the Senate fast!

 

[quasar81]

HoC may put the bill in a big problem if they refuse the amendment and send it back to senate

That is why we all need to email/phone Minister Hussein and PM Trudeau to accept the senate amendments as it is and implement C6 ASAP....

Guys, do it now. If it hangs in there once, it will take months...

 

[tyl92]

C-4's Senate message with amendments was sent to HoC on April 12 and it took a little more than 3 weeks for the HoC to respond.

However note that the 3 weeks delay is not accurate since they were on break from the 13th until the 2nd.

 

[Redfield]

On this link: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HouseChamberBusiness/ChamberSittings.aspx?View=N&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1
You can see that the HoC is responding today with a message concerning the disagreement with C-4's amendments.
(go on today's date under "Motions Respecting Senate Amendments to Bills")

If you go here for C-4: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?billId=8073132&Language=E&Mode=1
And if you compare here with C-6: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?billId=8117654&Language=E&Mode=1
You'll see that C-4 and C-6 are almost the same in the timeline.
C-4's Senate message with amendments was sent to HoC on April 12 and it took a little more than 3 weeks for the HoC to respond.
That gives us an idea how long it might take for C-6.
It also tells us that it's far from being over and that I was right when I said a few months back that these amendments would delay this Bill quite a bit more.

It didn't take more than three weeks, it took 3 sitting days, there was a recess of 2 weeks in between

 

[MarceauBletard]

It didn't take more than three weeks, it took 3 sitting days, there was a recess of 2 weeks in between

Oh you're right! I had forgotten about the recess! We have some hope then! ;D

Also, I would advise people to call MP's, not to ask them to accept the amendments (because anyway, the Senate will most likely accept their decision), but to take a decision fast and send the message back to the Senate fast!

 

[meyakanor]

Correct me if I am wrong, these are the amendments made by the senate:-

1. Raise language test age from 54 to 60

2. Minors can apply for citizenship

3. Appeal process for revocation.

4. Informing in advance about revocation process.

These are minor amendments and doesn't change the spirit of the bill. Apart from the age thing. They may reach a compromise. The whip in HOC has also changed. So let's see. Thanks for the info though.

I would argue that #2, #3, and #4 actually made the bill better.

We will see whether the government would want to compromise on the maximum language age requirement.

Remember that the exact version of the bill needs to pass both HoC and Senate, so even if HoC strikes down one of the amendments, it would have to be resent back to the Senate, and introduce delay (as the bill likely would be sitting there for a very long time).

Let's hope for the best.

 

[spyfy]

On this link: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HouseChamberBusiness/ChamberSittings.aspx?View=N&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1
You can see that the HoC is responding today with a message concerning the disagreement with C-4's amendments.
(go on today's date under "Motions Respecting Senate Amendments to Bills")

If you go here for C-4: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?billId=8073132&Language=E&Mode=1
And if you compare here with C-6: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?billId=8117654&Language=E&Mode=1
You'll see that C-4 and C-6 are almost the same in the timeline.
C-4's Senate message with amendments was sent to HoC on April 12 and it took 4 sitting days for the HoC to respond.
That gives us an idea how long it might take for C-6.

I would advise people to call MP's, not to ask them to accept the amendments (because anyway, the Senate will most likely accept their decision), but to take a decision fast and send the message back to the Senate fast!

I might very well misunderstand things, but if I am informed correctly the fact that C-4 is on the order paper now does NOT mean that it will be discussed today. The order paper includes hundreds of items. It's just all the business before the HoC. If you look at the projected order of business for today:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=projected&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1
There is no mention of the C-4 message (yet).

 

[tyl92]

I might very well misunderstand things, but if I am informed correctly the fact that C-4 is on the order paper now does NOT mean that it will be discussed today. The order paper includes hundreds of items. It's just all the business before the HoC. If you look at the projected order of business for today:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=projected&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1
There is no mention of the C-4 message (yet).

actually it's saying that the HOC refuses the amendment proposed by the senate on may 3rd . So c4 will go back to senate.

 

[spyfy]

actually it's saying that the HOC refuses the amendment proposed by the senate on may 3rd . So c4 will go back to senate.

The HoC has not yet voted on this. The order paper just says that the Government Leader proposed this. The HoC still has to vote. They will agree with the government leader. But again, the bill is not on the Projected Order of Business for today so I don't think it'll be discussed today. C-4 is still in the House of Commons.

 

[cancalling]

Friends, I have one question regarding the Citizenship eligibility. If this is not the right place and if you know the correct thread then please guide me.If i am not wrong once this bill(C-6) is passed then the minimum 4 years requirement will be cut down to 3 years. So when we count the one year from when it will start?. i.e. from the day we landed till the next year same date or only from January to December.

Just to make my questing easy to understand ,lets put it this way. If I landed on 15th of July 2015 then the 1 year count will be from 15th July 2015 to 14th July 2016 OR total number of days you spend in Canada from 1st January 2015 till 31st Dec 2015 ?

If it is the second condition then my physical presence is only 165 days till 31st December 2015 and has to start all over from 1st January 2016.In this case anyone coming to Canada on or after 1st July of the year is basically loosing one year and there is no point in coming in hurry if they are planning to land after 1st July of the year.

Hope someone can shed some light on this thought.

 

[subha_1962]

So this is what is says re C4, dated yesterday, I didn't follow C4 closely so I am assuming that it was only one amendment

May 3, 2017 — The Leader of the Government in the House of Commons — That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours that this House disagrees with the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code, the Parliamentary Employment and Staff Relations Act, the Public Service Labour Relations Act and the Income Tax Act.


So as it says that there has to be a 24 hour notice, ideally we should expect HOC to respond re C6 this evening - but nothing has been ideal regarding the bill so wait game

 

[Varangian]

If you look at HoC agenda, you won't see as much activity this week as they have in the Senate. So, I assume, these guys might be not as busy as their colleagues from the red chamber. It makes me think, that C-6 will be considered very soon.

 

[ottawahd]

If you look at HoC agenda, you won't see as much activity this week as they have in the Senate. So, I assume, these guys might be not as busy as their colleagues from the red chamber. It makes me think, that C-6 will be considered very soon.

This is not true. Hoc agenda is set daily by the government except on opposition day which the agenda is set by the opposition parties. For Senate the agenda includes all possible bills and discussions. Hoc usually has a more focused approach than Senate.

 

[Varangian]

Another point is that we shouldn't worry too much about HoC disagrees with the amendments made in the Senate. They are really minor and don't change the origin of the Bill. So, let's please stop speculating and just wait!