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Bill C-6: Senate stage

sistemc

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Jesuslovesyou said:
Guys, guys! I will advise you to apply now with current requirements and make use of the processing time if you are eligible. I withdrew my first citizenship application last year on the advice of the Citizenship Judge and he insisted I reapply asap so as not to fall into the backlog of applicants after bill C-6. I guess he knew exactly what he was saying and upon reading comments on this site, I see that the current average processing time is 7 months. Yes, bill C-6 will bring back the 3/5 year rule and along with that the same backlog we had in 2012, 2013, 2014. Be wise........
You withdrew your application on the advice of the Citizenship Judge - can you give us more background information on this? What went wrong?

BTW, according to other threads/posts in this forum currently the time difference between application sent and test date is 2 months for most of the applicants. Then oath wait time varies more, now it is between 1 - 3 months.

So I do not agree with your statement that current average processing time is 7 months.
 

meayman

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I am glad that the pessimistic comments are being ignored now :D :D
Some people like to spread negative comments before any senate setting, and then disappear as soon as they are proven wrong ;)
 

dpenabill

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sistemc said:
BTW, according to other threads/posts in this forum currently the time difference between application sent and test date is 2 months for most of the applicants. Then oath wait time varies more, now it is between 1 - 3 months.

So I do not agree with your statement that current average processing time is 7 months.
Forum posts about individual experience are not based on a representative sample, far from it. Moreover, the size of the sample is far to small to be anywhere near statistically relevant. And, unfortunately, to a significant extent some of this information derives from unreliable sources.

Spreadsheet data collections suffer likewise.

To the extent there is reliable reporting, such reports can illustrate how quickly (or, conversely, how slowly) IRCC is processing some applications. This is a long way from indicating an average or likely processing time, or how long it takes for most routine applications.

Moreover, average processing time is largely uninformative. An extra long processing time for just a small percentage of applications will skewer the average to be much higher than how long it takes for most applicants.

The median processing time will indicate how long it takes for most (technically one short of most) applications. This information used to be available through statistics Canada (and might still be), albeit in a not easily accessible format. Until around 2011 (time flies and I forget how long it has been precisely), this information was published by CIC, which used to publish how long it took to process 80 percent, and 50 percent, and either 20 or 30 percent (again, I forget precisely) of applications. That was useful information. Unfortunately the Harper government believed this led applicants to begin flooding the system with inquiries about the progress of their individual cases too soon too often too much. (Although, generally the Harper government was also engaged in a profound cutback in information provided the public, and the Liberal government has done little to reverse this.)

IRCC web site currently displays 12 months as the processing time for new applicants. That is based on how long it took to process 80 percent of routine applications in the recent past. This time is typically significantly longer than how long it takes to process 50 percent, or the median, which again would be more useful information.

While in the past, the 80 percent figure tended to be nearly twice as long as the 50 percent amount, as the overall time line decreases the difference between these is also likely to shrink.

Without revisiting Statistics Canada (assuming it still provides the more robust data, including processing times for 50 percent of applications), there is no where near enough reliable data to definitively estimate what the prospective time line is for most applicants today . . . but seven months would be a very good guess (noting that this is not an average but about how long it takes for most applicants).

For anyone who is interested in real data about the timelines, I'd suggest trying to navigate Statistics Canada to find the most recent data that is provided.
 

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sistemc said:
You withdrew your application on the advice of the Citizenship Judge - can you give us more background information on this? What went wrong?

BTW, according to other threads/posts in this forum currently the time difference between application sent and test date is 2 months for most of the applicants. Then oath wait time varies more, now it is between 1 - 3 months.

So I do not agree with your statement that current average processing time is 7 months.
Quick answer to your question. I didn't fulfill the 1065 days 3/4 requirement then and the Judge did me a huge favour by not approving because if he did, the ministry would have to review it again and if not satisfied, reject it. That was already 4 years in processing though with RQ.

Now to the second part; I guess average processing times from reception to Oath ceremony is 7 months but could be much faster. All I said was that those who are eligible 4/6 should not be discouraged with 630$ fee and apply now so as to benefit with current processing speed. My thinking is that when bill C-6 becomes law with a reduction in fees which I guess is also tabled, many people would apply and such influx will initiate a huge backlog. Thanks.
 

Redfield

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The first wave of people who will send their application for 3/5 might not be super affected by the delays since they will be processed right after the 4/6s but I think the backlog is going to build up slowly and when all the refugees who came here in 2015 will apply a the same time, that's when the backlog is going to explode. Hopefully CIC will know how to manage by then. But in any case, the new citizenship granting process has be significantly streamlined by C-24 so that's at least one thing that law managed to get right, delays before C-24 were a matter of years from what I have witnessed, now we are talking about months only
 

quasar81

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meayman said:
I am glad that the pessimistic comments are being ignored now :D :D
Some people like to spread negative comments before any senate setting, and then disappear as soon as they are proven wrong ;)
There is no reason to be too optimistic as well.
 

walktheline

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This is how processing time is calculated, inventory/output. Following is the CIC official data:

Intake:
April 2015 - December 2015: 81,716 (9076/mo)
April 2015 - March 2016: 100,168 (8347/mo)
January 2016 - March 2016: 18,452 (6150/mo)
April 2016 - December 2016: 75,302 (8366/mo)

Output:
April 2015 - December 2015: 201,284 (22,364/mo)
April 2015 - March 2016: 251,563 (20,963/mo)
January 2016 - March 2016: 50,279 (16,759/mo)
April 2016 - December 2016: 85,463 (9,495/mo)

Approval Rate: 93% (means 7% are rejected)

Inventory:
31 December 2015: 80,667
31 December 2016: 59,263

Intake was dropped after June 2015 then increased after June 2016 due to C-24 3/4 to 4/6 change.
output was surged 2015-2016 due to C-24 simplified approval procedure change.

Right now it appears intake and output are balanced (8000-9000/mo) so the inventory could remain the same level of 60,000. Then the end-to-end time is about 7 months (60,000/9000).

Bear in mind intake could be still increasing slowly right now as the 3/4 - 4/6 change should take 2 years until June 2017 to fully digested (extra 1 year PR and extra 1 year pre-PR credit).

But if C-6 (4/6 - 3/5 change) kicks in any time, there will be sudden intake surge (could dump 2 years worth intake about 200,000 immediately), cause inventory surge 200,000 at the same time, then the processing time will also add extra 2 years on top of current 7 months accordingly if the output remains same.

In summary, right now, total time is 4y PR + 7m processing time. After C-6, total time is 3y PR + 2y7m processing time. But if someone just meets 4 years PR at the same time of C-6 effective date, (s)he would be the most unlucky one as the total time becomes 4y PR + 2y7m processing time.
 

quasar81

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Just got email from BCCLA.

BCCLA - who are also going to court against C24 2nd class citizenship, have initiated a drive to contact Senators to vote against Senator lang's amendment.

Per them if Senator Lang's amendment passes the bill will fail.

They actively work in Parliament with MPs and Senators to push civil liberties. They know what is going on in there(better than some trolls in here).
 

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quasar81 said:
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Take ACTION here.... Right now, share with friends and family

https://bccla.good.do/citizenship/lang1/
Done !

I encorage all members to do so its a very organized petition with a nice vidoe explaining it and it will go to the emails of all senates , i believe its better than randomly sending emails to senators
 

Ufan

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cooldoc80 said:
Done !

I encorage all members to do so its a very organized petition with a nice vidoe explaining it and it will go to the emails of all senates , i believe its better than randomly sending emails to senators
Very true! I just joined the forum and I have done it.
 

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cooldoc80 said:
Done !

I encorage all members to do so its a very organized petition with a nice vidoe explaining it and it will go to the emails of all senates , i believe its better than randomly sending emails to senators
DONE
 

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walktheline said:
This is how processing time is calculated, inventory/output. Following is the CIC official data:

Intake:
April 2015 - December 2015: 81,716 (9076/mo)
April 2015 - March 2016: 100,168 (8347/mo)
January 2016 - March 2016: 18,452 (6150/mo)
April 2016 - December 2016: 75,302 (8366/mo)

Output:
April 2015 - December 2015: 201,284 (22,364/mo)
April 2015 - March 2016: 251,563 (20,963/mo)
January 2016 - March 2016: 50,279 (16,759/mo)
April 2016 - December 2016: 85,463 (9,495/mo)

Approval Rate: 93% (means 7% are rejected)

Inventory:
31 December 2015: 80,667
31 December 2016: 59,263

Intake was dropped after June 2015 then increased after June 2016 due to C-24 3/4 to 4/6 change.
output was surged 2015-2016 due to C-24 simplified approval procedure change.

Right now it appears intake and output are balanced (8000-9000/mo) so the inventory could remain the same level of 60,000. Then the end-to-end time is about 7 months (60,000/9000).

Bear in mind intake could be still increasing slowly right now as the 3/4 - 4/6 change should take 2 years until June 2017 to fully digested (extra 1 year PR and extra 1 year pre-PR credit).

But if C-6 (4/6 - 3/5 change) kicks in any time, there will be sudden intake surge (could dump 2 years worth intake about 200,000 immediately), cause inventory surge 200,000 at the same time, then the processing time will also add extra 2 years on top of current 7 months accordingly if the output remains same.

In summary, right now, total time is 4y PR + 7m processing time. After C-6, total time is 3y PR + 2y7m processing time. But if someone just meets 4 years PR at the same time of C-6 effective date, (s)he would be the most unlucky one as the total time becomes 4y PR + 2y7m processing time.
You must be working in STATCAN...... LOL