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Bill C-6: Senate stage

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_MK_ said:
Since this guy is the representative for the government in the senate, he can provide guidance towards whether the amendment will be accepted by the minister/HoC. If he says "out of scope" it will be good indications that Minister does not like all or some of the proposed changes. If he supports it, thats a good indication.
Sen Day is not government rep, it is Sen Harder
 

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Hello all!

Old member of the forum here, trying to follow the course of long awaited Citizenship Act amendments.

Glad to be back to the "once home". Always loved this forum!!!
 

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andamanhunk said:
Hello all!

Old member of the forum here, trying to follow the course of long awaited Citizenship Act amendments.

Glad to be back to the "once home". Always loved this forum!!!
Welcome back !
 

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Good to see fellow April 2010 applicants out here..Just a heads up- if you guys are just looking for C6 updates, there's another thread which deals with just updates.
 

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wolfpack27616 said:
Good to see fellow April 2010 applicants out here..Just a heads up- if you guys are just looking for C6 updates, there's another thread which deals with just updates.
Can you please share that link?
 

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wolfpack27616 said:
Good to see fellow April 2010 applicants out here..Just a heads up- if you guys are just looking for C6 updates, there's another thread which deals with just updates.
Link please?
 

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"Every day of residence before PR counts as half a day of residence (for up to 730 half days = 365 full days"--> can someone explain this further? does those days we stay in Canada right waiting for PR approval counts? Or any date we stay in Canada before becoming PR will count (for example, study University there few years ago)?

Thanks for explain!
 

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Almost_Canadian- thanks for the posting that link.

rasmy and rizwan150 please check the thread that Almost_Canadian has linked here. This thread was recently started by spyfy and aims to just have updates about Bill C6- without the off-topic arguing.
 

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crewbunk said:
"Every day of residence before PR counts as half a day of residence (for up to 730 half days = 365 full days"--> can someone explain this further? does those days we stay in Canada right waiting for PR approval counts? Or any date we stay in Canada before becoming PR will count (for example, study University there few years ago)?

Yes, everyday of your residence in Canada before PR counts to a maximum of 1 year.
 

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crewbunk said:
"Every day of residence before PR counts as half a day of residence (for up to 730 half days = 365 full days"--> can someone explain this further? does those days we stay in Canada right waiting for PR approval counts? Or any date we stay in Canada before becoming PR will count (for example, study University there few years ago)?

Thanks for explain!

As to availability of pre-landing credit in general:

Just to be clear, under current law there is NO credit at all for time in Canada prior to landing and becoming a PR. None.

Otherwise, pre-landing credit will be available IF and only if Bill C-6 is adopted as it is currently proposed, and only after the amendments to the Citizenship Act regarding physical presence requirements take effect, which is likely to be some time later than when Bill C-6 is adopted, given Royal Assent, and becomes law . . . assuming the Bill will be adopted and become law.

If and when pre-landing credit is available: Additionally, it is prudent to be aware that given the burden of proof, which is entirely on the applicant, credit for time present prior to landing can be tricky to document in the absence of formally issued status, such as a work or student permit, or a TRV of some sort. That is, obtaining the credit can depend, as a matter of documented fact, on there being an immigration record in the client's GCMS showing the client had been granted status to be resident-in-Canada (including temporarily). The practical effect is that anyone planning to rely on pre-landing credit should have specific documentation showing their status in Canada during that time and be in a position to directly document actual presence during that time. (Note: this observation is based on years of reported practices under prior law when such credit was available, recognizing that many applicants encountered requests for additional documentation and evidence when they applied relying on such credit under the old 3/4 residency rules.)



northernavpers said:
Yes, everyday of your residence in Canada before PR counts to a maximum of 1 year.
This generalization overstates how the credit will work IF and when such a credit becomes available (if, for example, Bill C-6 as it is currently proposed is adopted).

First, this needs to be understood in the context of the query which refers to half-day credit for days in Canada; this is to say that yes, every day of residence in Canada before PR will (if the law so changes) count as a half-day toward the presence requirement.

Secondly, however, the context of the query also refers to any time in Canada before becoming a PR, and NO, not just any time in Canada prior to becoming a PR will count.

In particular, crewbunk queried:

"Or any date we stay in Canada before becoming PR will count (for example, study University there few years ago)?"

If and when pre-landing credit becomes available under the current proposed changes, the applicant will only be entitled to credit for pre-landing time in Canada within five years of the date the application is made. Time in Canada more than five years prior to the date of the application will NOT count (it will not count even if the applicant was a PR, let alone in Canada pursuant to temporary status).
 

myyyyc

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If I understand it right, refugees are supposed to only temporarily stay in Canada when in need of protection, they are supposed to leave the country once situation in their home country improves. In reality though, many refugees feel that they are entitled to PR.

i think it only makes more sense to tighten the rules to convert refugees to PR rather than treating refugees and PRs as the same for citizenship application.

Imadassadi said:
How much they credit refugees in Australia and U.K. and do they consider the day as half day ?
 

emamabd

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myyyyc said:
If I understand it right, refugees are supposed to only temporarily stay in Canada when in need of protection, they are supposed to leave the country once situation in their home country improves.
probably that would make sense for those who are seeking "political asylum"..as those are usually people fleeing a certain political regime which might change in a few years and at that point the "threat" would no longer be valid...but for example someome fleeing war/or chaos from countries such as Syria and has been resettled in canada - how long do you think it would take for their country to be rebuilt? It may not happen in their lifetime even, ..who knows.
 

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Regarding Canada's refugee programs:

The Canadian refugee system is multifaceted. A big part of it, at the least, is about relocation, about providing protected persons a safe destination in which to settle permanently. As such, Canada offers many refugees a fairly fast track to becoming a Permanent Resident of Canada.

These individuals are not merely refugees, but immigrants, persons resettling in Canada permanently. Once they become a PR (and again, many are provided a fairly fast track to becoming a PR, that is once they are accepted into the Canadian refugee system and are granted protected person status), they will not lose their Canadian PR status because the conditions in the home country have improved. They will only lose PR status based on loss of refugee status if there is cessation of their protected person status based on reavailment of their home country's protection. And it appears that even this is not being aggressively enforced under the current government -- prior to December 2012, once the refugee became a Canadian PR there was no termination of PR status even for those who reavailed themselves of home country protection; then under Harper the law changed, in December 2012, and CIC began aggressively pursuing cessation proceedings against refugee-PRs who had obtained a home country passport or who spent a significant amount of time in their home country . . . while this change in the law is still the law, it appears it is not being aggressively applied at this time.

Historically, refugees resettled in Canada have been given a path to becoming permanent residents of Canada and then a path to becoming citizens. They constitute a significant portion of the immigration stream which has made, and which continues to make, Canada one of the more diverse and culturally rich countries in the world. This, for many of us, is one of the more outstanding positive aspects of what living in Canada is about. Members of the congregation where I attend church come from every continent except Antarctica (although I have not seen members from Australia recently, but they too have been part of the congregation in the past), and some are former refugees. All very much welcomed.

In any event, no matter in which immigration stream a person arrives in Canada, to be eligible for a grant of citizenship (for naturalized citizenship), the person must first become a Permanent Resident of Canada for a minimum specified period of time. Currently that is four years. Bill C-6 proposes changes which will reduce this to two years as an absolute minimum (and that would also require a minimum of two years presence prior to becoming a PR).


Note, in addition to cessation of refugee or protected person status for reavailment of home country protection (such as obtaining a passport from the home country), refugees in Canada without PR status, including those still in the process of having their refugee claims adjudicated, can have their protected person status terminated (or be determined to not be eligible for protected person status) if conditions in their home country no longer constitute grounds supporting the grant of protected person status. But, again, once the refugee has PR status, the latter will not lead to loss of status in Canada. (See sections 46(1)(c.1) and 108 in IRPA.)