Bill C-6: Senate stage

[razerblade]

Implementation depends on which clauses you are referring to. Most clauses would be implemented immediately after it becomes law. The only one that might take time is the 3/5 rule due to the systemic changes required to accommodate it.

Right. I was mainly referring to the 3/5 rule taking time to implement.

 

[Varangian]

There is a difference between the bill *passing* and being *implemented*. The bill may pass in the next few months, but it won't be in effect till it gets implemented. I think the forum member was talking about it being implemented by Jan 2018, meaning new application forms available.

"Once a bill has been granted Royal Assent, it becomes law and comes into force either on that date or at a date provided for within the Act or specified by an order of the Governor in Council."

This is a quote from the government web-site. I believe, we can expect the Royal assent before the Canada day on July 1st.
I doubt that it will take 6 months (too long) to become an actual law.

 

[subha_1962]

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[Varangian]

"Once a bill has been granted Royal Assent, it becomes law and comes into force either on that date or at a date provided for within the Act or specified by an order of the Governor in Council."

This is a quote from the government web-site. I believe, we can expect the Royal assent before the Canada day on July 1st.
I doubt that it will take 6 months (too long) to become an actual law.

An act comes into force on the date of Royal Assent, unless the Act itself states that it comes into force on some other day. Different sections of an act can come into force on different days. An exact date may be specified or a "commencement" section may state that the Act, or certain sections of the Act, will come into force "by order of the Governor in Council". This means an order in council is required to fix the date that the Act or sections of the Act come into force. These orders in council are often referred to as proclamations.

So, it's very logical to fix everything and make it a law before the 150 Canada Anniversary!

 

[_MK_]

Any particular reasons you think the bill will be done only by Jan 2018? Why Jan? It's pretty much a year from now!
Looking at similar bills' life-time in Senate, I'd say the third reading and the royal assent don't take that much time.

As already explained, I expect the bill to become law soon (within the next few months). I do not believe it will take effect immediately as changing process takes time. If it does, we will all be happy as the law makes me eligible to apply in July and I am sure I am not the only one.

Some people think that CIC/IRCC has been preparing already and it shouldn't take too long. At this point it is just speculation.

I only hope they will do 3rd reading in March, final vote in Parliament by April. This will mean it will be law by May.

 

[spyfy]

An act comes into force on the date of Royal Assent, unless the Act itself states that it comes into force on some other day. Different sections of an act can come into force on different days. An exact date may be specified or a "commencement" section may state that the Act, or certain sections of the Act, will come into force "by order of the Governor in Council". This means an order in council is required to fix the date that the Act or sections of the Act come into force. These orders in council are often referred to as proclamations.

Bill C-6 has exactly such provisions. It simply depends on how long the administration needs to accommodate these changes. Once the admin is ready (or at least they know when they'll be ready), the Minister (well, officially, the Governor-General) gives the Order-in-Council that specifies when the new application rules come into effect.

 

[MarceauBletard]

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[Varangian]

As already explained, I expect the bill to become law soon (within the next few months). I do not believe it will take effect immediately as changing process takes time. If it does, we will all be happy as the law makes me eligible to apply in July and I am sure I am not the only one.

Some people think that CIC/IRCC has been preparing already and it shouldn't take too long. At this point it is just speculation.

I only hope they will do 3rd reading in March, final vote in Parliament by April. This will mean it will be law by May.

Thank you Very well explained! Hopefully, changing processes won't take too long as the nature of Bill C-6 is (pretty much) bringing back what we had before C-24 (July 2015). So, I assume they just need to "grease the old gears" to make them turn.

 

[screech339]

But the Minister said yesterday that they have already started the process of reversal of the revocation of citizenship of the terrorist who lost it. So I too think that implementation will be way faster than people think

The minister is using his special ministerial powers to grant / return citizenship / prevent losing citizenship. That has nothing to do with implementation of law.

 

[_MK_]

Thank you Very well explained! Hopefully, changing processes won't take too long as the nature of Bill C-6 is (pretty much) bringing back what we had before C-24 (July 2015). So, I assume they just need to "grease the old gears" to make them turn.

Nothing is ever so smooth in any department of the government. Many layers of bureaucracy before it gets to the public.
Only way it is implemented immediately or soon (this year) is if the Immigration Minister/Prime Minister pushes it through and they would only go through all that trouble if they have something to gain politically. Election is far enough away that this wont be top of their agenda.

This will, however, be the first major bill under the new minister of Immigration and he might want to take some personal interest in seeing it through quickly. We can only wait and see!

 

[Varangian]

Nothing is ever so smooth in any department of the government. Many layers of bureaucracy before it gets to the public.
Only way it is implemented immediately or soon (this year) is if the Immigration Minister/Prime Minister pushes it through and they would only go through all that trouble if they have something to gain politically. Election is far enough away that this wont be top of their agenda.

This will, however, be the first major bill under the new minister of Immigration and he might want to take some personal interest in seeing it through quickly. We can only wait and see!

That's my point! Canada Day... and especially Canada's 150 Anniversary this year is a great occasion to show to public that the government has done! But will see very soon.

 

[HSD]

Implementation depends on which clauses you are referring to. Most clauses would be implemented immediately after it becomes law. The only one that might take time is the 3/5 rule due to the systemic changes required to accommodate it.

Do you think the pre-pr credit will also be implemented immediately or this clause will also need sytematic changes and will be only implemented with or some time before the 3/5 rule.

 

[spyfy]

Do you think the pre-pr credit will also be implemented immediately or this clause will also need sytematic changes and will be only implemented with or some time before the 3/5 rule.

Both the 3/5 and the pre-pr credit require new procedures (presence calculator, application forms, their own IT that they use to process the applications,...). So I think with a 99% chance both these changes will be implemented at the same time. Otherwise they would have to overhaul the application process twice which makes no sense.

Edit: In fact, the Coming in to Force Clauses of Bill C-6 require that 3/5 and pre-PR credit are implemented at the same time.
Here is the text of the bill:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=8380792
As you can see, those clauses that are not taking effect immediately are separated into four groups. The first group says "Subsections 1(1), (3) and (7) and section 8 come into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council." Note that 1(1) is the 3/5 rule and (7) is the pre-pr rule.

 

[HSD]

Both the 3/5 and the pre-pr credit require new procedures (presence calculator, application forms, their own IT that they use to process the applications,...). So I think with a 99% chance both these changes will be implemented at the same time. Otherwise they would have to overhaul the application process twice which makes no sense.

Edit: In fact, the Coming in to Force Clauses of Bill C-6 require that 3/5 and pre-PR credit are implemented at the same time.
Here is the text of the bill:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=8380792
As you can see, those clauses that are not taking effect immediately are separated into four groups. The first group says "Subsections 1(1), (3) and (7) and section 8 come into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council." Note that 1(1) is the 3/5 rule and (7) is the pre-pr rule.

Yes, I think the same as well.

 

[tyl92]

system wise they should have to implement those 2 clauses together...
Technically speaking .. there will be a backlog , thin or big , there will be one ..since all of sudden you qualify way more people than what was expected . The question will be : will CIC be prepared for that ? staff wise ? etc...
And the problem is , actually the more they wait , the more damage there will be , since every day you get more and more qualified people .
So , i think , the best way is to not wait a lot between implementation and royal assent .I don't know what you guys think about that
Now , c6 will pass , and it never happened that a bill was defeated at third reading , so according to me it will pass very soon ,by the end of this session , in june, at the latest ( should they delay/play the same games they played during 2nd reading )
i'm just scared that delays will peak just like before ( approx 24 months processing times ) , but the process has changed on the other ,cutting all the unnecessary steps.