Bill C-6, current status, FACTS only
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The debate was adjourned until the next sitting. This happened while they were discussing an amendment regarding the independent application of minors.
They also decided that the next meeting will be on Tuesday, April 11.
I will post a detailed recap of what happened today once the journal has been published tonight.
They also decided that the next meeting will be on Tuesday, April 11.
I will post a detailed recap of what happened today once the journal has been published tonight.
Quick summary for those who werent listening. I am sure Spyfy will provide a detailed one later.
1) there was an agreement between the different leaders that they will vote for C6 by May 3rd and C4 by April 13th.
2) Motion to change language requirement age to 60 from proposed 55 passed.
3) A new amendment is proposed to protect minors rights to apply for citizenship has been introduced. Similar amendments were proposed in HoC but defeated by liberals in parliament. Senator Jaffer adjourned on debate meaning there will be debate regarding this before a vote sometime next week.
1) there was an agreement between the different leaders that they will vote for C6 by May 3rd and C4 by April 13th.
2) Motion to change language requirement age to 60 from proposed 55 passed.
3) A new amendment is proposed to protect minors rights to apply for citizenship has been introduced. Similar amendments were proposed in HoC but defeated by liberals in parliament. Senator Jaffer adjourned on debate meaning there will be debate regarding this before a vote sometime next week.
We won't debate here if particular amendments are useful, good, bad, realistic or appropriate. Again, the purpose of this thread is to update people on what happens, not the morality of what happens.proudian said:
Thanks for listening in live and for the summary posted. I tuned in only at the end and found your summary useful._MK_ said:
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Can you post a link for the publication website.You have got a nice thing going here. Thank you sir/ma'am. The other thread, though useful, is a bit out of hand. I tried not to, but still got drawn into an argument there. Will surely not do that here.spyfy said:
Update: What happened today, April 6th
By now, I went through the journal. No surprises, it echoes exactly what others have reported already this afternoon.
Just to recap things again:
- Currently, an amendment is discussed that will change the rights of minors to apply for citizenship (among other things, this is about when these minors can apply without their parents' consent etc)
- While this is the only amendment that is currently open for discussion and a vote, it seems, based on reports from the chamber, that other amendments are "in the pipeline" and will be moved once the current amendment has been dealt with.
- The Senate is adjourned until next Tuesday, April 11. It can be expected that they will pick up the debate right where they left it off.
- Also note that debate was adjourned on the request of Senator Jaffer who is known to be someone who wants this bill to pass.
What to expect:
- The Senate will have to deal with the amendments one-by-one. Because of how Senate procedure works, it is always one amendment at a time (other parliaments first request all suggested amendments, and then afterwards all of them are discussed one-by-one. Not so in the Canadian Senate, where after every amendment there can be another one suggested, there is no deadline as long as the bill hasn't passed third reading).
- There is therefore no reliable info on how many amendments are still coming. There are only tweets and as we all know they should always be taken with a grain of salt. More like a spoon of salt
Some general advice (that you can of course ignore):
- First off, based on what has been reported, do not expect this bill to pass before easter. While it is still theoretically possible, it has been signalled from several sources that it won't be the case due to the number of amendments. The Senate has only three sitting days before easter.
- This forum, particularly the other thread, is full of people who "predict" that this bill will pass, will not pass, will pass by XXX, will not pass the House of Commons, will pass the House of Commons, will be vetoed by the Queen herself - you get the point. Whatever guess you read here, keep in mind that it is made by people who mostly follow parliamentary procedure for the first time in their lives and who are also very emotionally involved in the matter. Don't take it too seriously.
- That said: I suggest to everyone, myself included, to have an amazing Friday and then a great weekend without checking the internet for updates non-stop. There will be no substantial development until Tuesday. So taking a break will have a great effect on your sanity, I think. It'll definitely help mine.
That's it, over and out, see you on Tuesday!
By now, I went through the journal. No surprises, it echoes exactly what others have reported already this afternoon.
Just to recap things again:
- Currently, an amendment is discussed that will change the rights of minors to apply for citizenship (among other things, this is about when these minors can apply without their parents' consent etc)
- While this is the only amendment that is currently open for discussion and a vote, it seems, based on reports from the chamber, that other amendments are "in the pipeline" and will be moved once the current amendment has been dealt with.
- The Senate is adjourned until next Tuesday, April 11. It can be expected that they will pick up the debate right where they left it off.
- Also note that debate was adjourned on the request of Senator Jaffer who is known to be someone who wants this bill to pass.
What to expect:
- The Senate will have to deal with the amendments one-by-one. Because of how Senate procedure works, it is always one amendment at a time (other parliaments first request all suggested amendments, and then afterwards all of them are discussed one-by-one. Not so in the Canadian Senate, where after every amendment there can be another one suggested, there is no deadline as long as the bill hasn't passed third reading).
- There is therefore no reliable info on how many amendments are still coming. There are only tweets and as we all know they should always be taken with a grain of salt. More like a spoon of salt
Some general advice (that you can of course ignore):
- First off, based on what has been reported, do not expect this bill to pass before easter. While it is still theoretically possible, it has been signalled from several sources that it won't be the case due to the number of amendments. The Senate has only three sitting days before easter.
- This forum, particularly the other thread, is full of people who "predict" that this bill will pass, will not pass, will pass by XXX, will not pass the House of Commons, will pass the House of Commons, will be vetoed by the Queen herself
- you get the point. Whatever guess you read here, keep in mind that it is made by people who mostly follow parliamentary procedure for the first time in their lives and who are also very emotionally involved in the matter. Don't take it too seriously.- That said: I suggest to everyone, myself included, to have an amazing Friday and then a great weekend without checking the internet for updates non-stop. There will be no substantial development until Tuesday. So taking a break will have a great effect on your sanity, I think. It'll definitely help mine.
That's it, over and out, see you on Tuesday!
Any FACT change about the "Intend to Reside" clause? To my understanding, if C-6 is passed "intend to reside" will no more be a requirement for citizenship. Am I right?
P.S. (if I may): @spyfy, I've not opened the 2-million-page thread since you started this one; Thanks for saving us time buddy.
P.S. (if I may): @spyfy, I've not opened the 2-million-page thread since you started this one; Thanks for saving us time buddy.
Assuming that there is no amendments that will change this:morbrb said:
The current version of Bill C-6 will do three things regarding intend to reside:
1. Future applicants do not have to show or have to have the intend to reside.
2. Applications that are currently processed will be processed in a way that completely ignores the intend to reside portion of the application form. This applies even if the application was submitted before C-6 became law.
3. Individuals who already received citizenship under the C-24 system will be treated as if the intend to reside clause never applied to them. This means in particular that no one can strip you of your citizenship because they think you didn't have the intend to reside during the application process. Not now and not in ten years.
Again, we don't know what amendments are still coming. But C-6 as it currently stands will deal with the intend to reside clause as above.
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