Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

[hussinhamid]

I don't know what is the difference between basic residence and physical residence ? can any one answer my question guys

 

[Goldline]

I don't know what is the difference between basic residence and physical residence ? can any one answer my question guys

In short, basic residence is 3 years since becoming permanent resident even if you spend some time overseas, and physical presence is the requirement to be indeed physically present in Canada for 1095 days.

 

[u4g5]

the bill is passing to 3rd reading without any changes. the opposition is toothless!

 

[Tolerance]

Just to show that the Supreme Court's interventions can take years (and still in the appeal stage):
http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/06/02/ottawa-to-appeal-expat-voting-rights-decision/

 

[Tolerance]

Summary of yesterday's CIMM session:
http://multiculturalmeanderings.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/c-24-citizenship-act-clause-by-clause-review-june-2/

Liberals were opposed to making obtaining citizenship more difficult because there is no evidence that that would somehow make citizenship stronger and more valuable.

Their argument is actually not that bad. None of the expert witnesses had ever said creating obstacles to citizenship has indeed been proven to make citizenship stronger and more valuable.

If none of the experts said it, then it is a false argument, it is not true, and citizenship might actually be made weaker as fas as we know .

 

[Matt the Aussie]

Just to show that the Supreme Court's interventions can take years (and still in the appeal stage):
http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/06/02/ottawa-to-appeal-expat-voting-rights-decision/

Side topic obviously, but it's hard to see how this appeal is anything but Conservatives realizing they wouldn't have very many votes amongst those not currently living in Canada.

 

[Tolerance]

Side topic obviously, but it's hard to see how this appeal is anything but Conservatives realizing they wouldn't have very many votes amongst those not currently living in Canada.

Voting rights, mobility rights, some people hoping the Supreme Court will undo Bill c 24 based on constitutionality, the Charter, and fundamental human rights. Not off-topic. It took 11 years for someone to challenge the voting rights issue. Bill C-24 also has to do with the new immigrants and their voting rights (highly educated people usually do not vote conservative).

 

[us2yow]

And the voting rights were challenged by two Canadians living in the US - one in Syracuse/NY, the other in Princeton, NJ as I recall.

 

[Tolerance]

And the voting rights were challenged by two Canadians living in the US - one in Syracuse/NY, the other in Princeton, NJ as I recall.

Yeah. And I totally think they should have the right to vote. I never heard of these ideas before I came to Canada. A citizen is a citizen, and they should have the right to vote, regardless of where they live. Other countries usually cherish their 'diaspora' because these are typically highly productive people who can be influential in international and foreign arenas.

And they blame Canadians when they just up and go to live in another country... :'(

 

[on-hold]

Yeah. And I totally think they should have the right to vote. I never heard of these ideas before I came to Canada. A citizen is a citizen, and they should have the right to vote, regardless of where they live. Other countries usually cherish their 'diaspora' because these are typically highly productive people who can be influential in international and foreign arenas.

And they blame Canadians when they just up and go to live in another country... :'(

This has been a feature of Canadian culture for a very long time -- it comes partly from Canada's strange history of being caught between England (the mother country, where everything is older and more refined and more prestigious) and the United States (bigger, richer, harder-charging). It has an element of inferiority in it (if you're so good, why aren't you in America?) and an element of dislike. And it's an odd feeling, to feel inferior to something that you also slightly dislike . . . I suspect Australians might be familiar with this phenomenon . . . One effect of it is to make Canadians feel ambivalent about other Canadians who go live abroad; it's sort of like a working-class Englishperson might feel if one of their relatives marries a rich person. As an American, I think it's odd -- I feel like it's perfectly normal to go where the competition is hottest to try and succeed, and it's also perfectly normal to not do that. In Canada, not so much.

One reason why the 'Canadians of convenience' label resonates so strongly is that it captures this dynamic -- the fear that Canada is just being used so foreigners can snuggle up to the more exciting neighbour . . . like a plain girl who has a beautiful best friend, and wonders what all the guys who want to hang out with her REALLY want.

 

[daktrader]

Well Said!!

This has been a feature of Canadian culture for a very long time -- it comes partly from Canada's strange history of being caught between England (the mother country, where everything is older and more refined and more prestigious) and the United States (bigger, richer, harder-charging). It has an element of inferiority in it (if you're so good, why aren't you in America?) and an element of dislike. And it's an odd feeling, to feel inferior to something that you also slightly dislike . . . I suspect Australians might be familiar with this phenomenon . . . One effect of it is to make Canadians feel ambivalent about other Canadians who go live abroad; it's sort of like a working-class Englishperson might feel if one of their relatives marries a rich person. As an American, I think it's odd -- I feel like it's perfectly normal to go where the competition is hottest to try and succeed, and it's also perfectly normal to not do that. In Canada, not so much.

One reason why the 'Canadians of convenience' label resonates so strongly is that it captures this dynamic -- the fear that Canada is just being used so foreigners can snuggle up to the more exciting neighbour . . . like a plain girl who has a beautiful best friend, and wonders what all the guys who want to hang out with her REALLY want.

 

[Matt the Aussie]

This has been a feature of Canadian culture for a very long time -- it comes partly from Canada's strange history of being caught between England (the mother country, where everything is older and more refined and more prestigious) and the United States (bigger, richer, harder-charging). It has an element of inferiority in it (if you're so good, why aren't you in America?) and an element of dislike. And it's an odd feeling, to feel inferior to something that you also slightly dislike . . . I suspect Australians might be familiar with this phenomenon . . . One effect of it is to make Canadians feel ambivalent about other Canadians who go live abroad; it's sort of like a working-class Englishperson might feel if one of their relatives marries a rich person. As an American, I think it's odd -- I feel like it's perfectly normal to go where the competition is hottest to try and succeed, and it's also perfectly normal to not do that. In Canada, not so much.

One reason why the 'Canadians of convenience' label resonates so strongly is that it captures this dynamic -- the fear that Canada is just being used so foreigners can snuggle up to the more exciting neighbour . . . like a plain girl who has a beautiful best friend, and wonders what all the guys who want to hang out with her REALLY want.

Definitely. Even in a country that is so far away, there is a struggle between the "be the best at all costs" attitude that comes from the US and the more refined social responsibility that comes from our English roots. Australia and Canada are very different in a lot of ways (temperature's a key one ) but also very similar. I think Australia historically has been more "British" and Canada has been more "US" leaning in their thinking.

 

[informatics]

Hi ,

Could anyone advise when is the next meeting scheduled regarding the bill C-24 ?

I do believe its still at the third reading stage ..right ?

Thanks

 

[transformer]

@ Matt the Aussie & on-hold

Slight off topic but why it matters that much for an American/Australian to get Canadian citizenship

most of us on this forum need the passport to travel etc......because our passports...suck haha....

Im just being curious(dont wanna sound offensive etc).......it is ur RIGHT to get Canadian Citizenship in a timely manner as you all have EARNED it.

 

[on-hold]

@ Matt the Aussie & on-hold

Slight off topic but why it matters that much for an American/Australian to get Canadian citizenship

most of us on this forum need the passport to travel etc......because our passports...suck haha....

Im just being curious(dont wanna sound offensive etc).......it is ur RIGHT to get Canadian Citizenship in a timely manner as you all have EARNED it.

Nah, it's a good question -- between America and Canada, there is literally no definitive difference at all. I grew up in Oregon, and Canada is more like my home than Texas is. When I landed, my main problem in assimilating was deciding "OK, do I call myself an American or a Canadian?" Because, if I pay a little attention to my accent, no one will know, and it feels like you're living a weird lie. Basically, being a citizen means you're part of a place -- I chose to come here, and I want to belong to it; and I chose Canada as a better place for my kid to grow up, he should become a Canadian. PR isn't quite that. It is very strange to me how many immigrants (on this forum) are constantly running Canada down in favor of the States; as an American, the chance to become Canadian is rare and special to me, I was very fortunate to have gotten my application in before my job code was taken off the FSW list (3141), and I feel like Canada has given me a real gift by inviting me to come with my family and live here. It's been good for my family, our lives, and my career. I want that to be permanent, and part of that is going abroad as a Canadian, not as an American who lives in Canada.

Secondly, though, my wife is Thai and I know exactly what you mean when you say your passport sucks . . . It's impossible to understand if you haven't lived through it, but having one of the world's crappy passports makes everything difficult. She can't wait to ditch the thing . . .