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Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

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His Excellency the Governor General in Council fixes August 1, 2014 as the day on which subsection 7(3), section 11, subsections 12(1) and (3), section 13, subsection 16(2) and sections 20, 22, 27 and 41 of that Act come into force.
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Source: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LEGISInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=6401990&View=6


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Can someone help, so randomly spoke to some lawyer about the how the new law 4 out of 6 will efffect me. So i am eligible to apply by dec 2014 just so everyone knows.

I asked him if i apply in lets say Jan 2015, how will my application be done, according to me should be old law 3 out of 5, he said they will return the application back when the rule implements and tell u i dont meet requirement according to new law that is once the new law implements.

I dont think he knows much/ i dont think this information he gave me is correct.
 

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akheya said:
Can someone help, so randomly spoke to some lawyer about the how the new law 4 out of 6 will efffect me. So i am eligible to apply by dec 2014 just so everyone knows.

I asked him if i apply in lets say Jan 2015, how will my application be done, according to me should be old law 3 out of 5, he said they will return the application back when the rule implements and tell u i dont meet requirement according to new law that is once the new law implements.

I dont think he knows much/ i dont think this information he gave me is correct.
That's BS. CIC is not going to return the application because you submitted the application under the 3 / 4 year rule and application was opened and looked at after the 4 / 6 year rule went into effect.

The only way they could do that is if you had an incomplete application and you had to resubmit it after the new 4 / 6 rule come into effect.
 

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Why don't conservative idiots announce the implementation date. There is no democracy in this country. The bill passed even with lot of
resistance, when public made so many valid points. Lot of racism. Just playing with public sentiments.
 

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Why don't conservative idiots announce the implementation date. There is no democracy in this country. The bill passed even with lot of
resistance, when public made so many valid points. Lot of racism. Just playing with public sentiments.
The government got to give CIC time to adjust to the new rules. They can't just sign it and expect cic to start the new rules right away. CIC need the time to implement the new changes. Once CIC is ready, CiC will formally announce the change date.

BTW: how do you view that the new citizenship rules to be racist?

Screech339
 

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To me is also strange that there is no official implementation date yet. Many people will be affected by this change, but unfortunately they still keep the cut off date out of the public reach.

The problem is that they can say the implementation date at the very last moment like they did with the public announcement of the 1 August administration rule.
 

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I could not believe the height of non-democracy in this country, absolutely no respect for public's valid views,
and disregarding everything and passing a bill. And the height is not making official announcements and keeping
people in dark till last moment. Don't they realize lot of planning of many people get effected by this. Unfortunately
no one is able to take any action against this government
 

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2015canadian said:
I could not believe the height of non-democracy in this country, absolutely no respect for public's valid views,
and disregarding everything and passing a bill. And the height is not making official announcements and keeping
people in dark till last moment. Don't they realize lot of planning of many people get effected by this. Unfortunately
no one is able to take any action against this government
From the polls I've seen, the public seems to be strongly in support of the measures taken by the government. And just because you don't agree personally, it doesn't make a country undemocratic.
 

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2015canadian said:
I could not believe the height of non-democracy in this country, absolutely no respect for public's valid views,
and disregarding everything and passing a bill. And the height is not making official announcements and keeping
people in dark till last moment. Don't they realize lot of planning of many people get effected by this. Unfortunately
no one is able to take any action against this government
Oh man... So are you packing and moving back to where you came from where you had more fair treatment?

All the best to you there.
 

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The reforms that took effect on August 1, 2014 include:

New decision-making model

Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) has significantly improved its ability to process applications by increasing its decision making capacity from approximately 30 citizenship judges to more than 450 decision makers.

Under the new decision-making model - a one-step process as opposed to the former three-step one - citizenship officers now decide all aspects of most citizenship applications. Under the old model, obtaining citizenship involved too much duplication of work. Citizenship officers reviewed the files and prepared them for a citizenship judge, who approved or rejected the application, returned it to the officer, who then granted citizenship on behalf of the Minister or recommended an appeal of the judge’s decision.

On a transitional basis, cases where the officer believes the applicant does not meet the residence requirement will be referred to citizenship judges for decision. Citizenship judges will also remain responsible for the important role of presiding over citizenship ceremonies and administering the oath of citizenship, which is the final step before citizenship is granted.

Complete applications

Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) now also has stronger authority to define what constitutes a complete application and what evidence applicants must provide. The strengthened ability to require up-front proof that certain requirements are met and to return incomplete applications will significantly improve efficiency and ensure resources are focused on complete applications.

The ability to put a file on hold if there is an ongoing immigration investigation and to declare a file abandoned if an applicant fails to comply with a request for information or attend an interview will result in further efficiency improvements.

Judicial review and appeal process

The amendments introduce a uniform system for judicial review of decisions made under the Citizenship Act. Until now, an appeal of a citizenship judge’s decision would go to the Federal Court but no higher. Now, decisions by citizenship officers, who have new authority to decide certain cases under the Act, can be judicially reviewed and challenged in a higher court.

Under the Citizenship Act, judicial review of citizenship decisions is subject to leave of the Federal Court. The Federal Court decision can then be appealed to the Federal Court of Appeal, where the Federal Court certifies a serious question of general importance. Further appeals are available to the Supreme Court of Canada with leave.

Authority to abandon a citizenship application

The changes provide clear authority to determine that an application has been abandoned if the applicant fails to comply with a request for information or to attend an interview. The abandonment power applies to all applications, at any stage after processing has begun, up until the oath is taken. Under the old system, the Actdid not provide the explicit authority to declare an application abandoned in situations where an applicant failed to appear for the citizenship test or an appointment with an officer. These changes increase processing efficiency and support ongoing efforts to modernize citizenship processing. Previously, keeping abandoned applications open created unnecessary processing delays for active applications.

Other provisions already in force

Provisions from Bill C-24 that came into force on June 19, 2014 (immediately upon Royal Assent) include: fast tracking citizenship applications for members of the Canadian Armed Forces; improving clarity on the First Generation Limit on citizenship for those born abroad; enabling children born abroad to serving Crown servants to pass on citizenship to their children born or adopted abroad; and streamlined decision making for issuing Discretionary Grants under section (5)(4).

SOURCE: http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=872659



MasterGeek said:
Source: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LEGISInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=6401990&View=6


Anyone know which rules these sections refer to ?
 

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The real benefits for faster time processing are expected to be seen after the elections next year.

This is a very convenient promise for them.
 

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Just for clarification, the "intent to reside in Canada" clause is not new.

We recently received the results for an ATIP request for my great-grandfather's citizenship file. He was naturalized in 1919.

From his application (a form titled "Dominion of Canada / The Naturalization Act, 1914 / Petition for Naturalization"), he had to agree to this statement: "It is my intention, if my application for naturalization is granted, to reside permanently in His Majesty's Dominions."

That was nearly 100 years ago.
 

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doctorkb said:
Just for clarification, the "intent to reside in Canada" clause is not new.

We recently received the results for an ATIP request for my great-grandfather's citizenship file. He was naturalized in 1919.

From his application (a form titled "Dominion of Canada / The Naturalization Act, 1914 / Petition for Naturalization"), he had to agree to this statement: "It is my intention, if my application for naturalization is granted, to reside permanently in His Majesty's Dominions."

That was nearly 100 years ago.
i think people only care when can they apply and how long the processing takes to become CITIZEN.
u never see residence problem with country which has exist control, such as australia, uk, new zeland. but i do believe the doing the right thing to eliminate grey areas. just need to add more more tools to verify an applicant's "physical presence" in a less painful way. either acquiring more information at the time of filing an application or have a better information sharing btw departments.
 

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u4g5 said:
i think people only care when can they apply and how long the processing takes to become CITIZEN.
u never see residence problem with country which has exist control, such as australia, uk, new zeland. but i do believe the doing the right thing to eliminate grey areas. just need to add more more tools to verify an applicant's "physical presence" in a less painful way. either acquiring more information at the time of filing an application or have a better information sharing btw departments.
Yeah, but the note countries you mentioned are island, a lot easier to control Immigration without land borders.
 

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Yeah, but the note countries you mentioned are island, a lot easier to control Immigration without land borders.
that's information sharing with CBP of usa is great which indicates all arrival/departure dates, tho people raise privacy concerns.