Being Rejected...

[lucky rain]

I was COOL , , I sent only few pics, like 10 maybe, and from those 10 we were together only on one. Someone had to hold the camera . No joint acc., no tax returns, few recent chats, no wedding pics, no honeymoon pics (no honeymoon at all )But we have 18 y. of marriage and 4 kids, I believe that was enough. They cannot deny that. So finally I got my PPR. PPl do not worry too much, especially if you have kids together

 

[waikiki]

I was COOL , , I sent only few pics, like 10 maybe, and from those 10 we were together only on one. Someone had to hold the camera . No joint acc., no tax returns, few recent chats, no wedding pics, no honeymoon pics (no honeymoon at all )But we have 18 y. of marriage and 4 kids, I believe that was enough. They cannot deny that. So finally I got my PPR. PPl do not worry too much, especially if you have kids together

Good point, I also believe that having kids is a good thing for PR. However, some people say that it´s a negative thing, don´t understand why.

 

[CharlieD10]

OK, I seem to have caused some very unintended panic, so let me clarify my earlier post, although Mrslwsn did such a good job already!

I said the quality of the evidence is more than a function of its quantity. That means, it doesn't matter if you send 10lbs of paper, if everything on that paper does not support the inception and development that you claim generated your relationship. Honestly, when you read some of the cases that are appealed and see the evidence presented, you have to wonder how some of those applicants expected anyone to believe them. Here are some "typical" things you see a lot when it comes to poor quality evidence:

- Very few telephone calls or emails or chat logs, combined with a couple who have been married for years BUT have not seen each other since the wedding.

- Very quick movement from meeting to marriage, combined with a couple who do not have an arranged marriage AND who subsequently make no effort to spend time together after the wedding.

- Multiple divorces on one or either side, combined with closely spaced dates for the divorces and re-marriage.

- No efforts on either side to integrate their lives, or acquaint family members with the new spouse and stepchildren.

As you can see, no one factor by itself determines that an application is rejected, be it age difference, religious difference, culture or relationship history. The IOs are expected to judge the applications holistically, and sometimes even a genuine couple can fail because they have a poorly presented application. Yes, sometimes IOs make mistakes, but sometimes they can make those mistakes because of what they have to work with.

Seriously, married folks who have been together for years both before and after marriage, and have kids together? Relax already. Your relationships are NOT in focus for immigration. That means you, Lemondrop and Fencesitter! Prepare your application with a focus to answering the questions asked, providing the information and documents required and that's about it for you.

 

[toby]

The principle seems to be that the more differences there are, the less likely it is that the couple is compatible, and the greater the chance that they got together for reasons other than true love -- i.e. the Canada visa.

In your case, 9 years of age difference is nothing in today's world, especially in China. And you have a child, which is surely one of the tests showing how solid a relationship is!

If you have been together in China for a number of years, with your wife showing no hurry to Canada, then your case is really solid, and you can relax.

By the way, did you get a Canadian passport for your child yet?

 

[Mrslwsn]

OK, I seem to have caused some very unintended panic, so let me clarify my earlier post, although Mrslwsn did such a good job already!

I said the quality of the evidence is more than a function of its quantity. That means, it doesn't matter if you send 10lbs of paper, if everything on that paper does not support the inception and development that you claim generated your relationship. Honestly, when you read some of the cases that are appealed and see the evidence presented, you have to wonder how some of those applicants expected anyone to believe them. Here are some "typical" things you see a lot when it comes to poor quality evidence:

- Very few telephone calls or emails or chat logs, combined with a couple who have been married for years BUT have not seen each other since the wedding.

- Very quick movement from meeting to marriage, combined with a couple who do not have an arranged marriage AND who subsequently make no effort to spend time together after the wedding.

- Multiple divorces on one or either side, combined with closely spaced dates for the divorces and re-marriage.

- No efforts on either side to integrate their lives, or acquaint family members with the new spouse and stepchildren.

As you can see, no one factor by itself determines that an application is rejected, be it age difference, religious difference, culture or relationship history. The IOs are expected to judge the applications holistically, and sometimes even a genuine couple can fail because they have a poorly presented application. Yes, sometimes IOs make mistakes, but sometimes they can make those mistakes because of what they have to work with.

Seriously, married folks who have been together for years both before and after marriage, and have kids together? Relax already. Your relationships are NOT in focus for immigration. That means you, Lemondrop and Fencesitter! Prepare your application with a focus to answering the questions asked, providing the information and documents required and that's about it for you.

Omg AMEN CHARLIE AMEN...lol really now. Far too much worry than need be.

 

[JEFFandJANET]

There are some really good posts and responses about possible rejections. Simply put, they are looking for couples who may be motivated only by acquiring the Canadian visa. So they are watching out for applications where the relationship may not be genuine, may be on shaky grounds, or anything that would suggest this couple is either doomed or not really a couple to begin with.

For all of us legitimate couples, it is our responsibility to PROVE to them that we are a real couple, we are applying for PR to keep our family together etc. Love conquers all. Those who have a long history together, just need to show that history over time, pictures, documents etc it should be easy. And your cases are most likely to be approved quickly. Those who are recently married, or have no life together, or seem to have no common bonds, etc etc need to go to greater lengths to prove their relationship is genuine. Those applications are most at risk to be rejected, or at the least, expect interviews and longer process to prove your case.

As for having kids. Being married for years and having kids is a big plus. Being married recently with very little time together and having a kid as quickly as possible can be seen as a desperate attempt solely to gain the visa. There are many that would go to this extreme step, have a baby simply thinking it will guarantee getting them in to Canada. So yes in these cases, having a baby so soon after getting married and not having a married life together first before applying for PR may not be so good for the application.

Bottom line is.....if your relationship is genuine. Show them the proof. Pictures together over a length of time. Wedding and honeymoon, trips, events etc. Try to use pictures with both of you in them. Any documents that show you are a couple, sharing your life together. Official documents, travel records, hotel stays, bank accounts in both names, and assets listed in both names, etc etc. For newlyweds it becomes a trickier process to prove your relationship genuine. They can expect to meet with greater scrutiny, interviews, longer process etc. The same goes with any couple that doesnt seem like a good match due to age difference,religion, cultural etc.

Remember also, anyone who DOES get rejected can still appeal and a very good chance to prove your case and get accepted.

 

[rjessome]

If I might add my two cents, applicants need to take this application seriously. Focus on QUALITY over quantity and TELL YOUR STORY! The more appeals I do I'm always astounded to see how applicants do a better job of telling their story in one email to me than they did in their WHOLE application! Remember that a VO doesn't know you! So for those of you who are newly married and applying, TELL THE STORY well.

For those who have been married or living together for years and have children, CIC is not going to give the genuineness of your relationship nearly as much scrutiny as a newly married couple who have not spent much time together.

 

[inlimbo]

What gets me about CIC evaluating people's relationships is that there are all kinds of assumptions as to what is acceptable, normal, expected, wanted, ect,. No one should have the right to evaluate a couple or family and decide that something is right or wrong about it. Love and relationships shouldn't be defined or accepted by government entities. The way Canada evaluates applicants is terrible. The messages these evaluations send are very strong. I've felt that CIC has told me my family is garbage that doesn't deserve to flourish.

It's a shame to see so many relationships and families suffering because of their desire to be together while knowing there are terrible situations couples and families are living all around us. If people are so committed, as in many people in these immigration situations are, they ought to be given a break and put together. The government has to realize that not all people and histories and futures should be moulded with the confines of bureaucracies. Live and let live. Love and let love.

 

[Fencesitter]

Thanks for all the encouragement!

We are very excited to send our application.

Our son has applied for his proof of citizenship card, but has yet to receive it. We sent the application at the end of December 2011. The officer at the consulate told us it would take a year. I'm going to call them again in a month or so and tell them to send in a request to expedite the process. When I told my parents the processing time, they couldn't believe it. They said it's ridiculous, which of course, I agree.

I can already smell the winter air...seeing the first snow fall...it's going to be awesome being home. The only thing that will probably shock me is the expense of things...and the amount of TAX! But I'll be making good money, so hopefully we we'll do okay in terms of savings and lifestyle...

Thanks, all!! If I could take you all out for a meal, I would...there really ought to be meet-ups after receiving the visa! I'm up for it...

FS

 

[canadiangirl78]

A year?! That's ridiculous. I applied for my daughter's in 2011 and we got it fast even though they had to request more paperwork.

 

[Saffy]

If I might add my two cents, applicants need to take this application seriously. Focus on QUALITY over quantity and TELL YOUR STORY! The more appeals I do I'm always astounded to see how applicants do a better job of telling their story in one email to me than they did in their WHOLE application! Remember that a VO doesn't know you! So for those of you who are newly married and applying, TELL THE STORY well.

For those who have been married or living together for years and have children, CIC is not going to give the genuineness of your relationship nearly as much scrutiny as a newly married couple who have not spent much time together.

I have about 4 pages so far of our story that I am writing...and its still going... do you think they will really read all these pages that i am writing?

 

[Mrslwsn]

I have about 4 pages so far of our story that I am writing...and its still going... do you think they will really read all these pages that i am writing?

Maybe you could try sum up!

 

[Saffy]

Well, I could, but things need explanation. I am an English teacher so I like to put detail into my work! Loool.. so hey, I will give them our full on story and hope they read it all and try to understand our situation.

Also my father will be writing a letter about meeting him and his thoughts and feelings about him and our situation and the experiences we went through together... is this a good thing?

 

[Mrslwsn]

Cant hurt, just dont go overboard. I sent a letter from a friend of my husbands who attended our wedding, his sister and from my side 3 of my friends (2 whom had met my husband 1 who hadnt) I also submitted a letter from each of my 4 children, in their own handwriting and their own words. I wrote a almost 2 page relationship essay, facebook screenshots and messages, some phone bills and my copies of the stamps in my passport. Other than wedding evidence and photos, thats about it.

 

[mr.x]

Omgosh. U guys r freaking me out. I'm scared we will get rejected. My husband (mr.x) did his interview and they took his passport they sent an email asking for the evidence for the times I visited him. Which FYI had been sent previously with the application. So I thought that was sketchy that they were asking for those again. So he REsent my airline ticket through emails & entry stamps. But at the interview the woman took round 2 of "evidence". So that email was 3. Is that normal? I hope I'm stressing for no reason. rejection would hecka suck. I wouldn't even know how to do that. Also do u guys know if the interviewer the visa officer?

Mrs. X