Background checking is really frightening

[Sukhvinder 334]

Dear all
I have gone through many comments posted by many that there is strict rule regarding misrepresentation and CIC can impose inadmissibility clause on applicants for five years. Now my question to all learned friends that we all know that most of employer have tendency to not picking phone or hand over phone to other one or most of the time even refuse to acknowledge that someone is working with them, thinking that this call may be from some legal authority.Now suppose someone applied for visa and during background check Visa official ask someone to identify the person and ask him Job duties of applicant . but the person who is replying on phone given wrong information regarding his duties, due to many reasons like lack of knowledge or joined recently or due to some rivalry. To prove that you were actually working in that job you may put some documents but to prove what exactly duties you were performing is quite difficult if someone from your company create doubt in the mind of visa officials. Now what CIC will do, now if CIC refuse his or her application, will they also impose inadmissibility clause and bar him or her for five years including their family members even minors who neither sign on application nor know anything and may be applying after 2-3 years for student visa . Moreover considering the time taken by visa processing which may stretch to many years, telling to all company employees that you are applying canada is also not appropriate as this will give the signal to the employee of your company that you are going to leave company as it will be very deter-mental to your career.

It is really frightening that CIC can refuse your application and bar on you and your family for applying for five years merely because someone from your company could not provide full and exact duties details performed by you. Kindly share your thoughts on this. If this is the case then any employer or your company can black mail you and even your family will put all blame on you.

 

[terulinkarezinka]

Our immigration consultant created all the documents supporting the job and duties. The reference letter, employment confirmation letter and job offer letter. Employer just printed those on the headed company paper and signed. The manager provided her phone number. The job is LMO based, i see no point in your employer lying to immigration officer as they could put themselves in trouble for hiring you for example as a cook and then have you as a dishwasher. The duties are in your lmo and work contract provided for initial work permit.

 

[mf4361]

Rejecting an application is one thing. Misrepresentation is totally another thing. Just because one cannot provide documents to spec doesn't automatically cause investigation for misrepresentation.

 

[Sukhvinder 334]

Thanks for reply, I just raised this issue as we all applicants want our case to be processed in fair manner and do not want that our family members be subject to inadmissibility for 5 years to Canada because merely some one from our previous company told to visa officer on phone that we have not performed exactly same job duties as we mentioned in our job experience letter for nominated NOC.

By the way is their any one who experienced this situation where someone rejected for not matching job duties in reference letter and during site visit / phone call by Canadian Visa officials . is he also put under misrepresentation & he and his all family members bar from applying for 5 years.

 

[mf4361]

Thanks for reply, I just raised this issue as we all applicants want our case to be processed in fair manner and do not want that our family members be subject to inadmissibility for 5 years to Canada because merely some one from our previous company told to visa officer on phone that we have not performed exactly same job duties as we mentioned in our job experience letter for nominated NOC.

By the way is their any one who experienced this situation where someone rejected for not matching job duties in reference letter and during site visit / phone call by Canadian Visa officials . is he also put under misrepresentation & he and his all family members bar from applying for 5 years.

again, just because you provided documents or duties lists or anything that's doesn't satisfy CIC doesn't mean you have misrepresented. A misrepresentation means you have deliberately deceive or trying to cover up facts to CIC. Like using fake degrees, fake IELTS, fake work experiences, or did not disclose any criminal activity.
Even an investigation is launched, it might not ended up determining it is. And if you think you've been wronged, in extreme cases you can take it to the court.

 

[Jaiveer Singh]

You mean to say CiC can also call home country employer to confirm details?

 

[mf4361]

You mean to say CiC can also call home country employer to confirm details?

We don't know (possibly not, but we don't know)

I do agree it's harsh for CIC to just reject an application because of the slightest mistake instead of requesting further docs like before, but misrepresentation is a serious crime that even CIC needs to be cautious about (And I suppose they are).

 

[new_day]

You mean to say CiC can also call home country employer to confirm details?

CIC calls home country in most cases.

 

[kateg]

You mean to say CiC can also call home country employer to confirm details?

They can, and do. They can ask the employer all kinds of questions about you, too.

 

[new_day]

Dear all
I have gone through many comments posted by many that there is strict rule regarding misrepresentation and CIC can impose inadmissibility clause on applicants for five years. Now my question to all learned friends that we all know that most of employer have tendency to not picking phone or hand over phone to other one or most of the time even refuse to acknowledge that someone is working with them, thinking that this call may be from some legal authority.Now suppose someone applied for visa and during background check Visa official ask someone to identify the person and ask him Job duties of applicant . but the person who is replying on phone given wrong information regarding his duties, due to many reasons like lack of knowledge or joined recently or due to some rivalry. To prove that you were actually working in that job you may put some documents but to prove what exactly duties you were performing is quite difficult if someone from your company create doubt in the mind of visa officials. Now what CIC will do, now if CIC refuse his or her application, will they also impose inadmissibility clause and bar him or her for five years including their family members even minors who neither sign on application nor know anything and may be applying after 2-3 years for student visa . Moreover considering the time taken by visa processing which may stretch to many years, telling to all company employees that you are applying canada is also not appropriate as this will give the signal to the employee of your company that you are going to leave company as it will be very deter-mental to your career.

It is really frightening that CIC can refuse your application and bar on you and your family for applying for five years merely because someone from your company could not provide full and exact duties details performed by you. Kindly share your thoughts on this. If this is the case then any employer or your company can black mail you and even your family will put all blame on you.

Bellow some notes in regard to your message (highlighted points above):
1. If phone has not been picked after calling several times it is definitely a problem but if phone would have been picked and receiver at least ensure that the concerned person is an employee of their company and his designation, there would not be any problem (practical experience from former immigration applicants)
2. There are no logical explanation to fear about receiving calls from legal authority
3. They do not ask for every duties & responsibilities, they focus on your major duties only

 

[gary.bhanot]

Hi Friends,

This seems surprising but one of my friends who had got an ITA in the early rounds had got a call from the Visa Officer straight away and he said he had an interview with him for about 25 mins on the phone. The officer asked him about all the experience he had put in his file and also inquired about any projects he had done and things like that.

This was the first time it might have happened that the applicant got a call himself, even though he had his employer's number provided as well.

 

[Jaiveer Singh]

This background check is really scary!! Anyone can share what kind of questions they usually ask to previous employers!! concern is that i can talk to my employer and tell them to prepare!!

 

[preeti.msingh109]

They can, and do. They can ask the employer all kinds of questions about you, too.

Do they call home country even if there is day and night kind of time difference???

 

[rigel]

Dudes... Chill.. You guys are over reacting.

First of all it is extremely rare for FSW candidates having their employees contacted! Its different for CEC candidates, as they often do. But still, the visa officers are entitled to call up your employer.

Now in the case that your employer is unreachable or that your work experience is un-verifiable, certainly increases the chances of your application being rejected; but it definitely is not the same as having a 5 year ban. Because the VO cannot prove, that you work documents are fake, just that they cannot be verified. On the other hand, lets say you mention you have IELTS band 8, whereas your TRF shows that you have BAND 7. Now that's a solid reason for a 5 year ban.

Moving on to the BG check. This basically is a criminality check. If you were never convicted of "felony" or have been caught with half a kilo of weed :, then I'd recon you are fine.

 

[OmarSarfraz]

Dudes... Chill.. You guys are over reacting.

First of all it is extremely rare for FSW candidates having their employees contacted! Its different for CEC candidates, as they often do. But still, the visa officers are entitled to call up your employer.

Now in the case that your employer is unreachable or that your work experience is un-verifiable, certainly increases the chances of your application being rejected; but it definitely is not the same as having a 5 year ban. Because the VO cannot prove, that you work documents are fake, just that they cannot be verified. On the other hand, lets say you mention you have IELTS band 8, whereas your TRF shows that you have BAND 7. Now that's a solid reason for a 5 year ban.

Moving on to the BG check. This basically is a criminality check. If you were never convicted of "felony" or have been caught with half a kilo of weed :, then I'd recon you are fine.

One of my old employers from 3 years back; gave me a signed letter with Job descriptions and salary mentioned. However, the employer does not remember the technical details of what I did back in the days.

Does CIC call even the old employers or only the recent ones?

Thanks!