back to home country after PR / travel: impact on citizenship appl.

[chakrab]

I need to think about it....

But just to confirm: so it is really just the physical presence that counts and it doesn't matter if I even lived here during that time? It this would be the case, then someone who has enough money could spend 3 years on vacation in Canada, not having a job, not having any ties to Canada and still get citizenship.

I always thought it is about where are your ties, your centre of living (kind of as with CRA) and not purely physical presence.

But if I am wrong - even better, because then I would be able to apply next week!

if the person is a PR then yes, just by staying in canada he or she is eligible to be a citizen. many older applicants, even housewives fall under that category. you don't need an employment to be a citizen.

 

[dbo73]

scylla is right. A simple case look like making a difficult one. In my advise, you should follow your passport exit/entry stamps from June 2010 and let residence calculator do the rest and again your declaration must match with CBSA record.

In my view here is what should look like in your application section 6.E: Residence for last 4 years:

Sept-2011 to Present - Your own address
April-2011 to Aug-2011 - Canadian address you used (friend place)
Aug-2010 to March-2011 - Use your home country address
June-2010 to July-2010 (3 weeks) - Canadian address you used (friend place)

If above is correct then you will also need to gather supporting from your friend as you stayed with them until you actually established your own residence (lease/purchase).. REMEMBER, any tiny discrepancies on above declaration will result RQ. CIC is very particular in residence address and passports (0 tolerance)..

Hi rayman_m,

Thanks for the advice. I wouldn't be able to provide any proof for the two times I used the friends address as I was travelling during that time. First the first window (June 2010) I planned to use my home country address (as it was purely vacation). For the second window, we really lived in our RV while travelling, the friends address was for registration purposes and in case we would have to cancel our trip across Canada. We moved directly into our own rental place from the RV.

As I said, I don't want to comlicate it but it really wasn't a straight forward case... :-[

 

[chakrab]

Hi rayman_m,

Thanks for the advice. I wouldn't be able to provide any proof for the two times I used the friends address as I was travelling during that time. First the first window (June 2010) I planned to use my home country address (as it was purely vacation). For the second window, we really lived in our RV while travelling, the friends address was for registration purposes and in case we would have to cancel our trip across Canada. We moved directly into our own rental place from the RV.

As I said, I don't want to comlicate it but it really wasn't a straight forward case... :-[

the CBSA report will show you entering canada, so make sure your addresses match up with countries at least for the time spent in canada. don't give a european address from the time you were in canada.

if your friend's address was the official address while in canada, then use it. no harm in it.

 

[dbo73]

you can't put information in the application which you think is convenient. that's falsifying information and a crime under immigration law. if you willfully give incorrect information in your application, you will definitely be red flagged.

"spending time in canada is living in canada" according to immigration, whether it's one month, 6 months or a year.

Whoooah - please read my posts in detail - by no means I plan to willfully give incorrect information. All my information will be added and is correct. All I wanted to know is whether purely physical presence is important or actually having lived in Canada. This question has now been answered and I will review my draft application. Again: all days are appropriately provided for. All I wanted to do is deduct basically two weeks in 2010 (so that they don't count towards the 1095 days) as I felt that those two weeks are not justified to count.

thanks,
Daniel

 

[dbo73]

the CBSA report will show you entering canada, so make sure your addresses match up with countries at least for the time spent in canada. don't give a european address from the time you were in canada.

if your friend's address was the official address while in canada, then use it. no harm in it.

OK - thanks, will do

 

[chakrab]

Whoooah - please read my posts in detail - by no means I plan to willfully give incorrect information. All my information will be added and is correct. All I wanted to know is whether purely physical presence is important or actually having lived in Canada. This question has now been answered and I will review my draft application. Again: all days are appropriately provided for. All I wanted to do is deduct basically two weeks in 2010 (so that they don't count towards the 1095 days) as I felt that those two weeks are not justified to count.

thanks,
Daniel

lol i wasn't trying to scare you. just saying that don't put less information on the application to make it simple for the CIC, because that may backfire on you in the strangest way.

 

[rayman_m]

In fact, from all the information you provided it appears you came to live in Canada from April 2011 and this is the date you should put in application the date you first came to live in Canada. Actually prior April, you never established your residence (183 days)..

As you stated from April til Aug in reality you did not live with any address? you have to provide an official address with postal code from April-2011 til Present iand any lacking will surely create problems in your file..

 

[dbo73]

lol i wasn't trying to scare you. just saying that don't put less information on the application to make it simple for the CIC, because that may backfire on you in the strangest way.

no problem. to be precise: I newer said I am going to remove information from the application. It was always a question around 'do those days count or not'.

Thanks

 

[chakrab]

no problem. to be precise: I newer said I am going to remove information from the application. It was always a question around 'do those days count or not'.

Thanks

it does count. actually you are the opposite of what most people aim for here. they try to find days to apply quick.

all the best for your application. remember, give your facts to CIC and let them be the judge of it.

 

[dbo73]

In fact, from all the information you provided it appears you came to live in Canada from April 2011 and this is the date you should put in application the date you first came to live in Canada. Actually prior April, you never established your residence (183 days)..

As you stated from April til Aug in reality you did not live with any address? you have to provide an official address with postal code from April-2011 til Present iand any lacking will surely create problems in your file..

rayman_m,

Yes, I came to live in Canada in April 2011. That is why I have all the questions. For example, the caculator does not allow me to enter June 2010 as the PR date and a later date in "date when you came to Canada to live" - it seems this is a flaw and just not expected.

April to Aug 11: Of course I had an official address but it was just for the travelling. We arrived, bought the RV and started travelling until August.

 

[chakrab]

another thing regarding address, make sure you put the address on your landing document in the application and date it properly.

 

[dbo73]

it does count. actually you are the opposite of what most people aim for here. they try to find days to apply quick.

all the best for your application. remember, give your facts to CIC and let them be the judge of it.

Sounds good. Will do. THANKS

 

[chakrab]

rayman_m,

Yes, I came to live in Canada in April 2011. That is why I have all the questions. For example, the caculator does not allow me to enter June 2010 as the PR date and a later date in "date when you came to Canada to live" - it seems this is a flaw and just not expected.

April to Aug 11: Of course I had an official address but it was just for the travelling. We arrived, bought the RV and started travelling until August.

that's because according to CIC, the moment you land in canada as a PR you have started residing in canada. ofcourse you can leave, but you would need to stay in canada for a certain time to get your PR card.

you are a "permanant resident" of canada as long as you live in canada for any 2 out of 5 years. PRs don't really need to settle in Canada.

 

[dbo73]

that's because according to CIC, the moment you land in canada as a PR you have started residing in canada. ofcourse you can leave, but you would need to stay in canada for a certain time to get your PR card.

Hmm, in this case, this is different from the CRA guidelines. Otherwise I would have to talk to my tax advisor 8) grrr.

 

[sienatiara]

I would suggest that for the times you are "IN" Canada but travelling (address: friends place), you can say you were looking for a job.. You have to count the days you were in Canada since it will show you are in Canada by your passport entry stamps. By not declaring those days would trigger RQ for you and would mean you have to present a lot of documents to prove why you were in Canada.

June xx, 2010 – June xx, 2010 Canada
June xx, 2010 – April 02, 2011 Home Country
April 02, 2011 – Any date you were in US..
Any date you were in US – Present - Canada