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Richie56

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Hello, a friend of mine needs help. my friend and wife had their application in for sometime and he got issues with the wife and she called immigrations to redraw the PR application later they settled their difference and now they want to reopen the application again.The wife send a message to them but still, they check online it says withdraw
Please if anyone has advice, help or experience. Thank you
 

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Hello, a friend of mine needs help. my friend and wife had their application in for sometime and he got issues with the wife and she called immigrations to redraw the PR application later they settled their difference and now they want to reopen the application again.The wife send a message to them but still, they check online it says withdraw
Please if anyone has advice, help or experience. Thank you
They need to reapply and submit a new application.
 
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moscatojuices

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lol. "My friend needs help". I love these posts.

These sound like stupid people who aren't meant to be in a relationship together. Given the application was withdrawn, the IRCC is going to go ballistic on getting your "friends" to prove their relationship is genuine if you choose to reapply.

My advice is that your "friends" should not reapply, waste time, waste money and instead end their relationship. If you're splitting during the process of spousal sponsorship and withdrawing sponsorship over "differences" there is no way the relationship is genuine. I see this shit all the time and I can 100% guarantee that somebody will withdraw the application again.

Also if they are your "friends" why do you care? What's it to you?
 
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scylla

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lol. "My friend needs help". I love these posts.

These sound like stupid people who aren't meant to be in a relationship together. Given the application was withdrawn, the IRCC is going to go ballistic on getting your "friends" to prove their relationship is genuine.

My advice is that your "friends" should not reapply, waste time, waste money and instead end their relationship. If you're splitting during the process of spousal sponsorship and withdrawing sponsorship over "differences" there is no way the relationship is genuine.

Also if they are your "friends" why do you care? What's it to you?
IMO it really is a friend in this case.

OP's posting history indicates they got COPR through spousal sponsorship over a year ago.
 

moscatojuices

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IMO it really is a friend in this case.

OP's posting history indicates they got COPR through spousal sponsorship over a year ago.
Doesn't matter. I've seen 100s of these spousal relationships before where typically a guy imports a girl they've barely met or lived with yet decided to marry. It leads to complete disaster and if they're Indian, it leads to fake harassment charges in India. Just don't.

I can guarantee you that if you have done as something as stupid as withdrawing a sponsorship but then quickly gotten back together, it will 1) raise massive red flags on IRCC's end because you will have to explain all of it (yes, I have been through this in another country), and 2) I have never ever met someone who successfully got back together with their partner permanently after breaking up or withdrawing their sponsorship.

If I was you I would tell your "friend" to dump the girl and find someone in Canada.
 

scylla

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28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Doesn't matter. I've seen 100s of these spousal relationships before where typically a guy imports a girl they've barely met or lived with yet decided to marry. It leads to complete disaster and if they're Indian, it leads to fake harassment charges in India. Just don't.

I can guarantee you that if you have done as something as stupid as withdrawing a sponsorship but then quickly gotten back together, it will 1) raise massive red flags on IRCC's end because you will have to explain all of it (yes, I have been through this in another country), and 2) I have never ever met someone who successfully got back together with their partner permanently after breaking up or withdrawing their sponsorship.

If I was you I would tell your "friend" to dump the girl and find someone in Canada.
You know I'm not the OP, right?
 
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moscatojuices

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Of course @scylla! Sorry I was making a general comment.

To anyone considering spousal sponsorship: Unless you've previously lived with the person, please for the love of god don't sponsor someone into Canada! It's just not worth the risk.
 
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Richie56

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lol. "My friend needs help". I love these posts.

These sound like stupid people who aren't meant to be in a relationship together. Given the application was withdrawn, the IRCC is going to go ballistic on getting your "friends" to prove their relationship is genuine if you choose to reapply.

My advice is that your "friends" should not reapply, waste time, waste money and instead end their relationship. If you're splitting during the process of spousal sponsorship and withdrawing sponsorship over "differences" there is no way the relationship is genuine. I see this shit all the time and I can 100% guarantee that somebody will withdraw the application again.

Also if they are your "friends" why do you care? What's it to you?
Hmmm.Thank you for the response. He is my best friends
 

Richie56

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Doesn't matter. I've seen 100s of these spousal relationships before where typically a guy imports a girl they've barely met or lived with yet decided to marry. It leads to complete disaster and if they're Indian, it leads to fake harassment charges in India. Just don't.

I can guarantee you that if you have done as something as stupid as withdrawing a sponsorship but then quickly gotten back together, it will 1) raise massive red flags on IRCC's end because you will have to explain all of it (yes, I have been through this in another country), and 2) I have never ever met someone who successfully got back together with their partner permanently after breaking up or withdrawing their sponsorship.

If I was you I would tell your "friend" to dump the girl and find someone in Canada.
Yea is for a friend I finished my process last bro
 

moscatojuices

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Hmmm.Thank you for the response. He is my best friends
Thank you for clarifying. It's good that you seem like a caring friend and for that I commend you.

Tell your friend I know exactly what he's going through. I had once sponsored a girl in my home country and withdrew/unwithdrew/rewithdrew my spousal sponsorship for her PR after we fought like crazy. Some of these imported partners are complete pyschos and after my misadventure I always tell people it is never worth the risk sponsoring someone from overseas unless you have actually cohabitated with them in a serious way for a reasonable amount of time.

But I'm one of the lucky ones - I know many, many men who stay in these abusive relationships for a long time if not for life.

If your friend is having this much trouble living together now with her, to the point where a sponsorship application was withdrawn, then honestly I see no prospect of this working because I've seen dozens of these cases back where I come from.

Your friend has a golden opportunity to NOT re-apply for spousal sponsorship and get her removed from Canada. He also has the opportunity to later date a local girl who understands Canadian values/way of life and won't be caught up in later sponsoring/supporting her family and dealing with all that baggage.

If your friend reapplies, there sounds like a very high chance she'll also leave him the moment she gets PR (I've seen this happen many times) and he'll be responsible for her financial support for years if she claims welfare.

You/he is more than welcome to message me for advice.

Interesting thread.

While perhaps mosquito was a bit quick to cry foul on the "asking for a friend" aspect, which does indeed seem genuine, the overall sentiment is, I would say, spot on.

To a reasonable, objective observer, we have a couple acting in very immature fashion. They have embarked together on a process that needs to be taken seriously and they have allowed it to become derailed by a disagreement. Instead of acting like adults and working through things and deciding together, on mature reflection, whether to remain as a couple and to decide together whether to keep the PR application alive, one of them fires off and cancels. Then, after some conciliatory noises are made, they try to put Humpty Dumpty together again and put the thing back on track. I must say, what some like to call the "optics" of the whole debacle, are deplorable.

I would hope that juices is right and that any fresh application will attract very close scrutiny by the IRCC. I would have to think that, in assessing whether a relationship is "genuine", the IRCC must somehow evaluate whether it has any prospect of success. I join with moscato in seeing it as doomed to fail. If it is now on such a shaky foundation that one partner, in a fit of pique, has gone so far as to withdraw the application, that speaks volumes about the nature of the relationship.

This is a relationship that, more likely than not, will be sailing troubled waters from the outset. Very volatile. Marked by interludes of hostility. The kind of relationship that sees police being called to a domestic dispute, the woman seeking refuge in a women's shelter (even though likely an unnecessary step, it invokes a delicious air of drama) and, in the end, likely to spin out of control and the wheels fall off.

I recognize that my assessment might be wholly erroneous. My knowledge of the background is undoubtedly lacking. Maybe these two have been together in a solid relationship for long years and some unforeseen and unusual stressor caused a rift that will pass. I doubt that, but who knows?

But again, I would hope and expect the IRCC to subject any renewed application to a much heightened level of scrutiny. Canadian family courts are not really looking for new work.
You couldn't have said it better, you called out all the risks perfectly. What is especially worrying and not factored in is that if the spouse being sponsored in question is Indian, and the sponsor is also Indian with strong ties to India, she can make his life a living hell.
 
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armoured

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I would hope that juices is right and that any fresh application will attract very close scrutiny by the IRCC. I would have to think that, in assessing whether a relationship is "genuine", the IRCC must somehow evaluate whether it has any prospect of success. I join with moscato in seeing it as doomed to fail. If it is now on such a shaky foundation that one partner, in a fit of pique, has gone so far as to withdraw the application, that speaks volumes about the nature of the relationship.
A small note on this point about whether a new application would attract close scrutiny by IRCC - not so much to disagree, but to reiterate - strongly - that no-one should rely on the government to protect them from their personal choices.

IRCC is not out to evaluate relationships on their prospects for success - or, to the extent it does, it is out to do one thing only (prevent the fraudulent use of marriage/spousal sponsorship to gain permanent resident status), and any other considerations like 'success of the relationship' are basically incidental and very low priority compared to the main goals of immigration policy overall.

Now, does that mean they don't take such things into consideration? No, perhaps they do, a bit - but mainly from the lens of "can this be a non-fraudulent relationship if it's so clearly doomed?" (or similar thoughts).

And possibly - from an overall "what's the point of immigration" perspective - they consider what the consequences of a mistake (on their part in analyzing the case) might be, e.g. "will this result in charges to the public purse/society?" And an officer's evaluation of that point may not go in favour of 'protecting' the sponsor, and might even lean to 'they have enough money and education that govt doesn't need to worry about it, they're probably not immigrating for money.'

Anyway this may be a bit in the weeds and speculative but I reiterate my point: government mostly doesn't care if your relationship is successful in the long term, and it's pretty unlikely most visa officers would have any special ability to know anyway. Mostly all they want to know is: if this relationship seems unhappy, does that mean it's just a fake relationship?
 

moscatojuices

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Thanks for that. And thanks for being a good sport about me changing your handle to "mosquito" and "juices". I hoped you would see it as intended, in jest. I still agree with your words. It sounds like you speak from experience.
LOL! I love it. Yes I speak from experience and those scars make me never forget: never import a girl (or guy). It's just not worth it.
 
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Below is my timeline
Intake: Jan 2023
Application filed: 30th August, 2022
Biometrics updated: 5th September, 2022
Medicals (upfront) updated: 11th October, 2022
BVL: 30th November, 2022
PPR: No update yet

My profile:
BBA 3.2/4 , Distance MBA3.23/4, 8 years of experience (MNCs, Ola). ILETS band: 8
Course applied: International Business Management

If I don't get PPR the same day as BVL, does that mean my Visa is getting rejected?

my Consultant is telling me to withdraw the application and apply afresh for May 2023 ( I already have an offer for May 2023 for a masters course in a university)

My question is what to do in such a scenario? Will withdrawal take a lot of time? I am losing all hope. And feel lost and very anxious.
please reply.