Applicant from PhD program after 5 Nov, 2011 connect here to get status

[zeca]

CC charged Oct25(application received on Aug23). No PER yet. Are all PER letters send by e-mail these days? Any chance it was sent by regular mail? Thank you.

 

[TyrusX]

CC charged Oct25(application received on Aug23). No PER yet. Are all PER letters send by e-mail these days? Any chance it was sent by regular mail? Thank you.

PER and CC are different things. It will be sent by e-mail. Be patient.

 

[zeca]

PER and CC are different things. It will be sent by e-mail. Be patient.

Thank you, TyrusX.

 

[kuzey]

Hi Lucy,

I am so sorry to hear this. I have a friend who has exactly same processing time who got the rejection on Nov. 03 again for the same reason. But your case is even worse. You only have 600$ difference and it is crazy. Really I have nothing to discuss. Just try your best to reach them. and I kindly suggest to PhD applicants to do not wait for rejection and gather your documents before rejection. This kind of evaluation is totally random.

Good luck

Hello All,

It is my first time to post here. I was very sad as my application got refused today. I would like to share my application journey with you and hope you can get around this muddy point for your own case.

My application package was submitted on Nov.8, 2011, received the file number on March 15, 2012. On June 16, 2012 I was required for the documents about my employment letter including detail information about the duty, time period and salaries. On July 16, 2012, I was required to provide the proof of funds for myself. Today Nov.2, 2012, I was informed my application got refused by email. The reason was said to be the following:

***For your family size of 2 persons, the minimum funds requirement currently is CAD $13,837. You have presented evidence of your currently available funds, net of outstanding debts, which total only $13,252.91. You have not submitted evidence that you have obtained arranged employment within the meaning of the Regulations. Therefore I am not satisfied that you will be able to become economically established in Canada.***

My argument is that I always thought my fund proof should include my current available fund in the bank ($13,252.91) as well as the stated annual salary (~$20,000) in the employment letter from the University. In addition, in July I also provided the employment letter for my husband where stated his duty for his pernament job and his annual salary. However, the final decision is stuck at his point! only $600 difference! Now I am very confused that if the fund proof should or not include my annual salary as stated in the employment letter. I don't know if I should appeal or not. Very frustrated!

Lucy

 

[TyrusX]

This kind of evaluation is totally random.

While there is a lot of randomness in the application processing, this was not the case. There is a binary threshold of savings you need to have in order to be accessed and she didn't reach it. It should have been spotted before PER, but it wasn't. Also, giving how close she was from having the funding, they should request her for additional informational about her funding instead of rejecting her, but the process is made in a way that has no empathy for the applicants, so we should aim to present exactly what they want or risk rejection.

 

[mib26]

While there is a lot of randomness in the application processing, this was not the case. There is a binary threshold of savings you need to have in order to be accessed and she didn't reach it. It should have been spotted before PER, but it wasn't. Also, giving how close she was from having the funding, they should request her for additional informational about her funding instead of rejecting her, but the process is made in a way that has no empathy for the applicants, so we should aim to present exactly what they want or risk rejection.

Hi TyrusX, I have the similar situation of not providing enough funds, though I have got PER as well in May.

If I want to update some of my documents now, any idea where do we send the new docs?

I couldn't find the CPP-O address online.

Thanks.

 

[TyrusX]

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/offices/canada/ottawa.asp

 

[mib26]

thanks, seems we just have to scan and e-mail documents (other than police certificates) to: OttPilot-Immigration#cic.gc.ca

 

[MASOUD2011]

I would like to have every one's advice on my case...Here is the email I received yesterday:

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This refers to your application for permanent residence in Canada. Please note that your file is in process and will continue to be processed at the Case Processing Pilot-Ottawa (“CPP-O”) office. I am writing you this letter to express my serious concern(s) regarding your application.

As per Regulation 76(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, you must have in the form of transferable and available funds, unencumbered by debts or other obligations, an amount equal to half the minimum necessary income applicable in respect of the group of persons consisting of the skilled worker and their family members. In your case, this amount is $13,837.00

You submitted documentation indicating that you have over $18,740.00 in bank accounts in Canada. After reviewing the account histories that you provided, I noticed that your account was in overdraft on the date (May 24, 2012) that you were requested to submit account histories to this office; throughout the account history, the average balance was less than $1,000. Yet, several large deposits were made immediately after this date. I am not satisfied that these funds are your own and that you are not obliged to return these funds to their originator.

Therefore I am asking you to submit any additional information and/or documentation that would allay my concern(s). You have 60 days from the date of this letter to submit the additional information and/ or documentation to the above address.
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The thing is my wife and I have had the average of 11K over the past six months. She has been working for 3 years with a permanent job as well.

My own thought is to increase the balance upto 14K, send them a new bank statement (6-month history) along with her pay slips, employment contract and income tax info and also a clarification letter about the situation.

Any help is appreciated in advance.

Thanks!

 

[mib26]

I would like to have every one's advice on my case...Here is the email I received yesterday:

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This refers to your application for permanent residence in Canada. Please note that your file is in process and will continue to be processed at the Case Processing Pilot-Ottawa (“CPP-O”) office. I am writing you this letter to express my serious concern(s) regarding your application.

As per Regulation 76(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, you must have in the form of transferable and available funds, unencumbered by debts or other obligations, an amount equal to half the minimum necessary income applicable in respect of the group of persons consisting of the skilled worker and their family members. In your case, this amount is $13,837.00

You submitted documentation indicating that you have over $18,740.00 in bank accounts in Canada. After reviewing the account histories that you provided, I noticed that your account was in overdraft on the date (May 24, 2012) that you were requested to submit account histories to this office; throughout the account history, the average balance was less than $1,000. Yet, several large deposits were made immediately after this date. I am not satisfied that these funds are your own and that you are not obliged to return these funds to their originator.

Therefore I am asking you to submit any additional information and/or documentation that would allay my concern(s). You have 60 days from the date of this letter to submit the additional information and/ or documentation to the above address.
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The thing is my wife and I have had the average of 11K over the past six months. She has been working for 3 years with a permanent job as well.

My own thought is to increase the balance upto 14K, send them a new bank statement (6-month history) along with her pay slips, employment contract and income tax info and also a clarification letter about the situation.

Any help is appreciated in advance.

Thanks!

seems CIC wants you to clarify where does the " large deposits " come from. it would be better if you could provide that info as well

GOOD LUCK!

 

[anjuku]

seems CIC wants you to clarify where does the " large deposits " come from. it would be better if you could provide that info as well

GOOD LUCK!

yes, i agree with mib26...it seems that they just want clarification of the source of the large deposits...technically, if you claimed to have $18000+ in your application and you were required to have approx $14,000, you should have atleast that amount (14,000) in your account until you get your PR card...we were advised this by an immigration officer that came to our university...she said we should keep this amount separate in a savings account and not mix it up with our everyday chequing accnt..that way it is easier to show bank history for proof of funds..anyways good luck!

 

[mapleisland]

It seems that the funding is quite a issue after reading the info recently. I started to concern if there will be a problem for my issue. I have enough funding in my bank account, but it's half in Canadian Dollars and half in US Dollars since that's the part of saving I made while I studied in US. Will this become an issue? Would it be better if I convert all into Canadian Dollars? Any ideas?

Thanks.

 

[Mukam]

Hi Masoud,

I have a question for you. If you don't mind can you tell me how much money did you show in your bank when you initially sent your application. Just trying to figure out, if they are asking everyone or those candidates who have shown just enough money as required by the cic.

 

[marysaad]

Hi all,


I submitted my application in May and my bank statement didn't include any history about my account. It just stated the balance of the day. I haven't heard any thing about my application yet but I wonder if this money issue causes any problem. Do you have any suggestion? Do you think I should send them another bank statement?


Masoud, when did you submit your application?

 

[salam20]

I would like to have every one's advice on my case...Here is the email I received yesterday:

=======================
This refers to your application for permanent residence in Canada. Please note that your file is in process and will continue to be processed at the Case Processing Pilot-Ottawa (“CPP-O”) office. I am writing you this letter to express my serious concern(s) regarding your application.

As per Regulation 76(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, you must have in the form of transferable and available funds, unencumbered by debts or other obligations, an amount equal to half the minimum necessary income applicable in respect of the group of persons consisting of the skilled worker and their family members. In your case, this amount is $13,837.00

You submitted documentation indicating that you have over $18,740.00 in bank accounts in Canada. After reviewing the account histories that you provided, I noticed that your account was in overdraft on the date (May 24, 2012) that you were requested to submit account histories to this office; throughout the account history, the average balance was less than $1,000. Yet, several large deposits were made immediately after this date. I am not satisfied that these funds are your own and that you are not obliged to return these funds to their originator.

Therefore I am asking you to submit any additional information and/or documentation that would allay my concern(s). You have 60 days from the date of this letter to submit the additional information and/ or documentation to the above address.
=================

The thing is my wife and I have had the average of 11K over the past six months. She has been working for 3 years with a permanent job as well.

My own thought is to increase the balance upto 14K, send them a new bank statement (6-month history) along with her pay slips, employment contract and income tax info and also a clarification letter about the situation.

Any help is appreciated in advance.

Thanks!

I am not sure if that will work for you or not.
1) If you have some friends whom you lend them money and got a dated paper (certificate or statement) in your own language that show the amount and signed by witnesses, you may need to translate it and get it notarized. You may send it to cic as proof of funds.
2) If you bought a car or furniture, you may include the receipts, as well.
3) If you can get a bank statement from back home with the required amount for the months required, that will be useful.
You must be telling the truth.