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moonbow2010

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phdapplicant said:
To clarify
- Some of my work experience outside of Canada is counted. Some other experience is not counted since I was unable to provide a complete letter from former employers with details of my duties.
- My RA/TA is counted as work experience

I will try to call Ottawa tomorrow to "educate" them about the 5 adaptability points. I guess this PhD Stream is very new to them so not all reviewers in Ottawa is well-informed about that. I will keep you posted.
Check this message. From here, I am assuming he must have more than 15 points for his work experience, since Ottawa recognized his work experience for TA/RA.
 

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asbereth said:
I think in the email, it was mentioned that he has 1 year and 3 months of TA/RA work experience, though I'm not sure how many points exactly he got credited for work experience exactly by Ottawa. phdapplication, if it's not too much trouble, can you clarify? It would be interesting to know though why the CIO thought that he had more than 67 points, but not Ottawa. Hopefully, it could be fixed easily, rather than having them rejecting the 5 adaptability points for all applicants who have not completed any Canadian post-secondary program (the worst case scenario where Ottawa would have the final say, and the CIO was being too lenient in awarding these 5 points) :(
I agreed with you on the work experience part.
 

phdapplicant

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To clarify, I'm posting my points below:

Age 10/10
Education 20/25 (I came to PhD directly without a Master degree -> it might be a major difference between my profile and yours)
Experience 17/21 (I got 1 year 3 months for my RA/TA and 1 year for my work experience outside Canda)
Language 14/16
Adaptability 5/10 (I got 5 points for my spouse's Master degree)
Total: 66

I'm appealing for another 5 points in Adaptability for 2 years of studying here in Canada. I strongly believe that they made a mistake since OP6 Section 9.16.b clearly says "The person is not required to have obtained an educational credential for these
two years of study in Canada to earn the points, but simply to have completed at
least two years of study"
(http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf)

Unfortunately, I was unable to contact Ottawa today. Do any of you know their phone number? Thanks in advance!
 

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phdapplicant said:
To clarify, I'm posting my points below:

Age 10/10
Education 20/25 (I came to PhD directly without a Master degree -> it might be a major difference between my profile and yours)
Experience 17/21 (I got 1 year 3 months for my RA/TA and 1 year for my work experience outside Canda)
Language 14/16
Adaptability 5/10 (I got 5 points for my spouse's Master degree)
Total: 66

I'm appealing for another 5 points in Adaptability for 2 years of studying here in Canada. I strongly believe that they made a mistake since OP6 Section 9.16.b clearly says "The person is not required to have obtained an educational credential for these
two years of study in Canada to earn the points, but simply to have completed at
least two years of study"
(http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf)

Unfortunately, I was unable to contact Ottawa today. Do any of you know their phone number? Thanks in advance!

For Ottawa, they seems to avoid disclosing phone numbers.

Below is their fax and email address, and postal address.

Case Processing Pilot - Ottawa | Centre de Traitement Pilote – Ottawa – 46
Citizenship and Immigration Canada | Citoyenneté et Immigration Canada
219 Laurier Avenue West Ottawa ON K1A 1L1 | 219 avenue Laurier Ouest
7th Floor | 7ème étage, Section B
Ottawa ON K1A 1L1 Canada
Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-946-6059
E-mail I Courriel : OttPilot-immigration @ cic.gc.ca
 

phdapplicant

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moonbow2010 said:
For Ottawa, they seems to avoid disclosing phone numbers.

Below is their fax and email address, and postal address.

Case Processing Pilot - Ottawa | Centre de Traitement Pilote – Ottawa – 46
Citizenship and Immigration Canada | Citoyenneté et Immigration Canada
219 Laurier Avenue West Ottawa ON K1A 1L1 | 219 avenue Laurier Ouest
7th Floor | 7ème étage, Section B
Ottawa ON K1A 1L1 Canada
Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-946-6059
E-mail I Courriel : OttPilot-immigration @ cic.gc.ca
Thanks. I emailed them yesterday. If I don't receive any reply by tomorrow, I will send them a fax (just in case).
Hopefully that after my case, they will not make the same mistake to any other PhD applicant.
 

Cutty

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Hi Guys, I've been going through the wonderful-cum-insightful discussions you guys are having in this forum and I must say that I wished I've been here quite earlier before now.

Anyways, I'm also a PR applicant under the PhD stream. Unfortunately, I got NER and no "eligibility" point was given.

I have used only my TA/RA experience as a 3rd year PhD student with my number of working hours over 1 year. I also submitted two letter from my university towards my application. The first letter was from the Payroll Operations Dept of my university which stated that am a full-time PhD student employed as an RA and TA. It also stated the numbers of hours I've worked as an RA and TA since my employment which sum up to more than one-year full time (i.e. 1950 hours) equivalent . The second letter from the faculty of graduate studies and research (FGSR) stated that I am currently a full-time PhD student for over 2years in good academic standing.

However, since am applying just with my current RA/TA employment, none of these letters stated my main duties as an RA/TA and this is the major reason for my NER.
What do you suggest I should do? Also, without the 5points from adaptability (having been a full time PhD student for more than 2yrs but without any degree yet), I will just be shy of the 67point ELIGIBILITY mark.

Below is my decision letter from the CIO.
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Dear ***:

The Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism issued instructions which were published in the Canada Gazette on November 5, 2011. These instructions specify that applications from international students who are currently enrolled in a PhD program, or foreign nationals who have completed a PhD program, in a recognized educational institution located in Canada and that are accompanied by the results of the principal applicant's English or French language proficiency assessment are eligible to be processed in the Federal Skilled Worker class.

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.

While your application for the Phd program meets one of the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions now in effect, to be eligible for processing, your work experience must still meet the minimal requirements as defined in subsection 75(2) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations that states that a foreign national is a skilled worker if:

a) within the ten years preceding the date of their application for a permanent resident visa, they, have at least one year of continuous full-time (37.5 hours/week) employment experience as described in subsection 80(7), or the equivalent in continuous part-time employment in one or more occupations, other than a restricted occupation, that are listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Levels A or B of the National Occupational Classification matrix;

b) during that period of employment they performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification; and

c) during that period of employment they performed a substantial number of the main duties of the occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification, including all of the essential duties.

I am not satisfied that you meet part B & C of these requirements for the following reasons:

All supporting documentation on file regarding your work experience history was taken into consideration. Employment document from the University of Alberta does not provide sufficient evidence that you performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation identified on Schedule three of your application, or that you performed a substantial number of the main duties of the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC, including all of the essential duties. Therefore, evidence of part B & C cannot be determined.

Subsection 75(3) states that if a foreign national fails to meet these requirements, the application shall be refused and no further assessment is required. I am not satisfied that you meet these requirements.

Subsection 11(1) of the Act states that a foreign national must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the regulations. The visa or document may be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act include regulations made under it.

Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the Act and the regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.

Note: Any different or new information that you submit cannot be taken into consideration.

PLEASE NOTE:
To assist in determining if you qualify to apply under the Federal Skilled Workers Class, you may wish to complete the self-evaluation tool at the following website:
....

Should you have different or additional information, you may wish to submit a new application. For up-to-date information on how to apply under the Federal Skilled Workers Class, please visit the website at: .....

There are many ways to immigrate to Canada. Although you have not satisfied the requirements to apply under the Federal Skilled Worker class, you may qualify under another category. To learn more about your options, visit ....

Thank you for your interest in Canada.

SJW
Program Support Officer
Immigration Section
Case Processing Centre
Sydney, Nova Scotia
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You got NER due to lack of proof of work-experience, seems like. Get a letter from your supervisor with a list of duties and apply again.
Be very clear and formal in the letter and you should be ok.
 

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phdapplicant said:
To clarify, I'm posting my points below:

Age 10/10
Education 20/25 (I came to PhD directly without a Master degree -> it might be a major difference between my profile and yours)
Experience 17/21 (I got 1 year 3 months for my RA/TA and 1 year for my work experience outside Canda)
Language 14/16
Adaptability 5/10 (I got 5 points for my spouse's Master degree)
Total: 66

I'm appealing for another 5 points in Adaptability for 2 years of studying here in Canada. I strongly believe that they made a mistake since OP6 Section 9.16.b clearly says "The person is not required to have obtained an educational credential for these
two years of study in Canada to earn the points, but simply to have completed at
least two years of study"
(http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf)

Unfortunately, I was unable to contact Ottawa today. Do any of you know their phone number? Thanks in advance!
Hi Ph.D applicant,
I was wondering whether your initial response from Sydney was a PER or a NER which was later overturned into a PER?..
Good luck with your appeal...please do keep us updated!
 

phdapplicant

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anjuku said:
Hi Ph.D applicant,
I was wondering whether your initial response from Sydney was a PER or a NER which was later overturned into a PER?..
Good luck with your appeal...please do keep us updated!
I got PER from Sydney without any appealing.
 

Cutty

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TyrusX said:
You got NER due to lack of proof of work-experience, seems like. Get a letter from your supervisor with a list of duties and apply again.
Be very clear and formal in the letter and you should be ok.
Thanks very much. So, you don't think I have any chance of appealing the decision? Do I have to submit all the documents again with the new application? Cheers
 

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Cutty said:
Thanks very much. So, you don't think I have any chance of appealing the decision? Do I have to submit all the documents again with the new application? Cheers
Well, he did say:
Note: Any different or new information that you submit cannot be taken into consideration. Should you have different or additional information, you may wish to submit a new application.
So maybe that is the best course of action. I don't know if they will give your documents back, but is seems like too.
 

Cutty

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TyrusX said:
Well, he did say:
So maybe that is the best course of action. I don't know if they will give your documents back, but is seems like too.
My thoughts exactly. Thanks. Have you seen anybody who requested his documents and/or cash and got them back after a NER decision? Do you know the best (effective and fastest) way to request my documents back?
 

phdapplicant

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Cutty said:
My thoughts exactly. Thanks. Have you seen anybody who requested his documents and/or cash and got them back after a NER decision? Do you know the best (effective and fastest) way to request my documents back?
It's most likely that they have already opened your IELTS/CELPIP envelope, making it invalid for your next submission --> You should request a new one as soon as possible.
 

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phdapplicant said:
It's most likely that they have already opened your IELTS/CELPIP envelope, making it invalid for your next submission --> You should request a new one as soon as possible.
When I applied, my lawyer said the envelope doesn't really matter, as they confirm the information with IELTS themselves. I think the procedure it to return everything if you didn't get PER at CIC level. It may take a while though!
 

Cutty

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TyrusX said:
When I applied, my lawyer said the envelope doesn't really matter, as they confirm the information with IELTS themselves. I think the procedure it to return everything if you didn't get PER at CIC level. It may take a while though!
Thanks again. My IELTS was never submitted sealed or rather I opened the envelope to see my score, and then enclose it with my application without sealing it again. While gathering my documents again, I'm thinking of sending them a copy of the letter from my supervisor along with a sorta appeal letter asking them for re-consideration of my application. What do you think?