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AOR in November 2015 - Let's get together

legalfalcon

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prcand said:
I really hope this is the case:
Ultimately the more time it has been the less likelihood of rejection is the rule of thumb.

coz at first, i thought that "6 months" would be the limit... but seeing through other threads (Aug/Sep/Oct), the probability of even exceeding 6 months is real.

Nothing to lose, but wait and hope.
My gut feeling here is that the new government had changed its priorities. So the focus is on other issues instead of the Express Entry. But, eventually they will have to look into our files and make a decision.

So hang in there.
 

legalfalcon

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madToothbrush said:
Thanks legalfalcon ! that helps a lot.
From my G-notes it seems that my R10 is already passed but eligibility check has not started (file was last updated in Jan).
It seems like the last hurdle then ! fingers crossed :)
There has not been much movement after Jan except the BGC going in progress for many. Even my last update was on Jan 21, and then on March 3 my BGC went in progress. So you are not the only one.

Keep your hopes high and hang in there.
 

madToothbrush

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legalfalcon said:
There has not been much movement after Jan except the BGC going in progress for many. Even my last update was on Jan 21, and then on March 3 my BGC went in progress. So you are not the only one.

Keep your hopes high and hang in there.
Thanks for kind words. I've waited for this for so long (my app was returned due to cap full before EE), patience is dwindling off late.
Best of luck to you too !
 

EST123

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madToothbrush said:
Thanks for kind words. I've waited for this for so long (my app was returned due to cap full before EE), patience is dwindling off late.
Best of luck to you too !
You are in the same position as me, my CEC app was returned in early 2015 due to a full subcap, after my original application had been submitted in November 2014.
 

legalfalcon

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Cheer up guys! The wait is long, but the time will pass anyway. Look at the brighter side, there are so many people along with you, waiting for the same email that you are. Losing hope is the first step to failure. Until the hope is alive, there is always a possibility. Sometimes it gets tough, but that is when the tough gets going. It may be frustrating but look at others who are in a more desperate situation and expect the result sooner than we do. Think of the refugees who may not see another daylight if they are not rescued. Think of a spouse who has been waiting to join her partner, think of the parents who recently adopted a child overseas and are waiting to have their family competele. Think of a parent who has not seen his child and is waiting for his visa, think of the person who needs immediate medical attention and applied for a visa and is waiting., think of a woman who is a victim of domestic violence and her only escape is to leave the country.

Now think of yourself. Does that change the perception?

And gladly, there is no cap for EE, :D :D

6. Will there be a cap on the number of candidates admitted to the Express Entry pool?

There is no limit to the number of people who may enter the Express Entry pool. We expect this to result in a range of candidates with a greater variety of skills and experience from which employers, provinces and territories can select to meet their needs. However, we will base the number of candidates who get an ITA for permanent residence on the Annual Immigration Levels Plan. The Levels Plan will still set out the broad admission ranges for the immigration programs that are part of Express Entry.

Express Entry will create an inventory of high-quality candidates who employers in Canada will be able to consider when they cannot find Canadians or permanent residents to fill job vacancies.

Under Express Entry, labour market demand, in the form of a job offer supported by a Labour Market Impact Assessment (LMIA) or a nomination by a province or territory will provide candidates with enough additional points and be ranked high enough to be invited to apply at the next eligible round of invitations. Rounds of invitations will be made from the Express Entry pool on a regular basis, and instructions for each round will be posted on our website. Note that all job offers will be subject to Employment and Social Development Canada’s (ESDC’s) LMIA requirements in place at that time.

Employers and potential candidates will also benefit from faster processing. CIC’s goal is a six-month or less processing time from the day we receive a complete application for permanent residence to the day a final decision is made.
 

EST123

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legalfalcon said:
Cheer up guys! The wait is long, but the time will pass anyway. Look at the brighter side, there are so many people along with you, waiting for the same email that you are. Losing hope is the first step to failure. Until the hope is alive, there is always a possibility. Sometimes it gets tough, but that is when the tough gets going. It may be frustrating but look at others who are in a more desperate situation and expect the result sooner than we do. Think of the refugees who may not see another daylight if they are not rescued. Think of a spouse who has been waiting to join her partner, think of the parents who recently adopted a child overseas and are waiting to have their family competele. Think of a parent who has not seen his child and is waiting for his visa, think of the person who needs immediate medical attention and applied for a visa and is waiting., think of a woman who is a victim of domestic violence and her only escape is to leave the country.

Now think of yourself. Does that change the perception?

And gladly, there is no cap for EE, :D :D
You are correct, it is easy to be selfish during this wait - there are many people in worse situations than myself.
 

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legalfalcon said:
I posted this in the October thread. So thought of sharing it here too for everyone's benefit.

As per the trends, an applicant's eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of a standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.

This is super useful!!!! Thanks a lot for sharing !!!! I have went over every of your word twice.
 

Musikwala

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Passport Req..
14-07-2016
VISA ISSUED...
08-08-2016
legalfalcon said:
I posted this in the October thread. So thought of sharing it here too for everyone's benefit.

As per the trends, an applicant's eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of a standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.
Wow!! Thank you so much for taking the time out to do this detailed analysis. This is fascinating! It gives many of us hope that possibly our R10 initial check is over at least and things are progressing.

I've recently crossed 4 months since AOR. This is what mycic shows:

Application/profile status Open
Review of eligibility Review in Progress
Review of medical results Passed
Review of submitted documents Provided
Scheduling an interview Not needed at this time
A background check is needed Not Started
Final decision Not Started

It's been like this for a long time now. BG check not even started!! Are there others in my boat?
 

manpreetkaur30061984

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Hi there

Yesterday(evening),when I logged into myCIC account, it showed "Your Action is Required" under my PR application. When I clicked on it nothing was changed in my account.
And when I went back to previous page it changed back to submitted
Nothing has changed till now.
 

Amaljohan

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Musikwala said:
Wow!! Thank you so much for taking the time out to do this detailed analysis. This is fascinating! It gives many of us hope that possibly our R10 initial check is over at least and things are progressing.

I've recently crossed 4 months since AOR. This is what mycic shows:

Application/profile status Open
Review of eligibility Review in Progress
Review of medical results Passed
Review of submitted documents Provided
Scheduling an interview Not needed at this time
A background check is needed Not Started
Final decision Not Started

It's been like this for a long time now. BG check not even started!! Are there others in my boat?
Same here my AOR is 20 Nov. After medicals (26 Nov) nothing
 

astro313

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manpreetkaur30061984 said:
Hi there

Yesterday(evening),when I logged into myCIC account, it showed "Your Action is Required" under my PR application. When I clicked on it nothing was changed in my account.
And when I went back to previous page it changed back to submitted
Nothing has changed till now.
Most probably you will have to submit some additional documents.
Try this- Log in to MyCIC Account- View submitted application -> then click Continue.
 

kennyandchen

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I think you cant predict how CIC process the application. I ordered two notes during my application.

Here are some dates and movements based on notes

Nov-30 AOR

Dec-12 Medical passed

Dec-15 R10 OK and Criminality passed at the same time

Jan-14 Eligibility passed

My third note is on his way and will share as soon as I got it.

On Dec-09 notes says my case had stopped bc missing the PNP verification from ON. I assume it would be much better if you submit a copy of your PNP certificate to avoid delay.
 

Musikwala

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Pretoria, SA
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App. Filed.......
08-07-2015
Nomination.....
06-10-2015
AOR Received.
12-11-2015
Med's Done....
10-11-2015
Passport Req..
14-07-2016
VISA ISSUED...
08-08-2016
Amaljohan said:
Same here my AOR is 20 Nov. After medicals (26 Nov) nothing
Oh okay. Mine is 11 Nov.

Anybody from early Nov still waiting for BG check to start?
 

manpreetkaur30061984

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astro313 said:
Most probably you will have to submit some additional documents.
Try this- Log in to MyCIC Account- View submitted application -> then click Continue.
I tried it, nothing has been requested by them.
May be it was an error from their side.
 

legalfalcon

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17-08-2015
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12-04-2016
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manpreetkaur30061984 said:
I tried it, nothing has been requested by them.
May be it was an error from their side.
Sometimes it takes 24 hours to reflect in your MyCIC account.