AOR in November 2015 - Let's get together

[dimbo888]

We are almost the same! I had an app rejected (by CIC error) in August also, resubmitted with AOR November 4. I am BG in progress since December, 0 updates in 2016 from CIC. I have ordered GCMS mid-February, nothing yet on that front.

it seems like mostly pnp applications are being delayed. Mine is OINP with AOR on Nov 4th, no news yet

 

[legalfalcon]

I posted this in the October thread. So thought of sharing it here too for everyone's benefit.

As per the trends, an applicant's eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of a standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.

 

[llgn_sp]

I posted this in the October thread. So thought of sharing it here too for everyone's benefit.

As per the trends, an applicant's eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of a standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.

Great post, thanks!
I think I am stuck in Security, since all the rest appears complete:

Date generated: 2016-02-12
Elegibility: not started
Security: Not started
Criminality: Passed
Medical: passed

Application Assignment
Due Date: 2016/02/12

Notes 2015/12/12 - CENTRALIZED INTAKE OFFICE
SENT FOR R10 REVIEW MIN SCORE: 484 - ITA SCORE: 1032. PRINCIPAL APPLICANT PROMOTED. SPOUSE APPLICATION PROMOTED. MEDICAL ATTACHHED - YES. IELTS RECEIVED MET THRESHOLD AND VERIFIED SPOUSE. DOCUMENTS SET FOR REVIEW: POLICE CERTIFICATES AND EDUCATION DOCUMENTS.

Notes 2015/12/15 - CENTRALIZED INTAKE OFFIC
POLICE CERTIFICATES R10 OK. CRIMINALITY PASSED.EDUCATION ECA VERIFIED ON ISSUING AGENCY WEBSITE. FOREIGN CREDENTIAL CONFIRIMED. CREDENTIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH LEVEL OF EDUCATION CLAIMED BY PA UNDER EE ELIGIBILITY. SPOUSE ECA CONFIRMED AND CONSISTENT WITH LEVEL OF EDUCATION CLAIMED.


Notes 2015/01/08 - CPC OTTAWA
PROGRAM ASSISTANT.
REGULATION: PNP. REFER TO IR FOSS/GCMS CHECK - GENERAL: NO ADVERSE INFO. ALL APPLICANTS DO NOT HOLD VALID STATUS IN CANADA. RPRF: PAID. CIVIL STATUS: PA MARRIED SPOUSE ACCOMPANYING - MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE ON FILE. PA AND SPOUSE COPY OF PASSPORT ON FILE: YES. PNP NOMINATION VALIDITY: ORIGINAL. SCHEDULE 4 ON FILE: YES. WORK EXPERIENCE: FSW - THE DUTIES LISTED IN THE LETTERS OF REFERENCE APPEAR TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ACTION IS THE LEAD STATEMENY UNDER THE NOC SELECTED. THEY APPEAR TO BE CONSISTENT WITH A SUBSTANTIAL NUMER OF THE MAIN DUTIES UNDER THE NOC SELECTES. LETTERS APPEAR TO DEMONSTRATE THAT PA MET MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF 12 MONTHS OF WORK EXPERIENCE. PA MEETS LANGUAGE THRESHHOLD. EDUCATIONAL CREDENTIALS MET. MEDICALS VALID FOR ALL APPLICANTS.


Notes 2015/01/13 - CPC OTTAWA
CASE ANALYST.
PNP APPLICANTS IN PRAMARILY NOC 1112. FOSS CHECK: PA HAS TRV VALID UNTIL APRIL 2017. ASSESSMENT EDUCATION: MET. NOC 1112: I AM SATISFIED THAY WITHIN THE 10 YEARS BEFORE THE DATE ON WHICH THEIR APPLICATION FOR PR VISA IS MADE THEY HAVE ACCUMULATED, OVER A CONTINUOUS PERIOD OF AT LEAST ON YEAR OF FULL-TIME WORK EXPERIENCE UNDER NOC 1112 AS PER R75(2). PA MEETS FSW CRITERIA. PA MEETS DEFINITION OF PROVINCIAL NOMINEE AND SELECTION UNDER PN PROGRAM.


Notes 2015/01/14 - SAO PAULO
PN CERTIFICATE VALID. ECA AND IELTS ON FILE. DUTIES ON REFERENCE LETTERS SEEM COMPATIBLE TO THOSE OF NOC 1112. CHECKS DONE, PA+SPOUSE WERE ISSUED TRV IN OCT14. ON FILE: SHEDULE 4, PROOF OF FUNDS, COPY OF PPTS, MARRIAGE AND POLICE CERTIFICATES PASSED TO VO.

 

[av.citizen]

Hi legalfalcon,

thanks for posting this overview of the process, it helps to understand some things. I'm curious about one thing though. Under security review it says among other things they might consider 'Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages'. I'm Asian and married to 'white' guy, although we are citizens of the same Asian country. In your opinion how it may influence our app?

 

[goodluckcharm]

I posted this in the October thread. So thought of sharing it here too for everyone's benefit.

As per the trends, an applicant's eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of a standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.

excellent! very very helpful. +1 for you mate!

However may I ask the source for this information or is this your own observation?

thanks in advance

 

[legalfalcon]

Hi legalfalcon,

thanks for posting this overview of the process, it helps to understand some things. I'm curious about one thing though. Under security review it says among other things they might consider 'Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages'. I'm Asian and married to 'white' guy, although we are citizens of the same Asian country. In your opinion how it may influence our app?

Inter-religion/nationality is just a factor. It neither delays nor speeds up the process. What they do, no one knows, but such factors have been noticed to demand higher scrutiny, not that you case will fall under it. So relax and hang in there.

To illustrate, a US citizen married to a Cuban in 1990s, will ask for a high level of scrutiny. Similarly, an Indian citizen married to a Pakistani national, will demand a high level of scrutiny. These are extreme cases. But, in normal course, inter-religion and nationality is very coomon and not a big concern.

 

[legalfalcon]

Great post, thanks!
I think I am stuck in Security, since all the rest appears complete:

Date generated: 2016-02-12
Elegibility: not started --- You eligibility is not yet done as per this.
Security: Not started
Criminality: Passed
Medical: passed

Application Assignment
Due Date: 2016/02/12

Notes 2015/12/12 - CENTRALIZED INTAKE OFFICE
SENT FOR R10 REVIEW MIN SCORE: 484 - ITA SCORE: 1032. PRINCIPAL APPLICANT PROMOTED. SPOUSE APPLICATION PROMOTED. MEDICAL ATTACHHED - YES. IELTS RECEIVED MET THRESHOLD AND VERIFIED SPOUSE. DOCUMENTS SET FOR REVIEW: POLICE CERTIFICATES AND EDUCATION DOCUMENTS.

Notes 2015/12/15 - CENTRALIZED INTAKE OFFIC
POLICE CERTIFICATES R10 OK. CRIMINALITY PASSED.EDUCATION ECA VERIFIED ON ISSUING AGENCY WEBSITE. FOREIGN CREDENTIAL CONFIRIMED. CREDENTIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH LEVEL OF EDUCATION CLAIMED BY PA UNDER EE ELIGIBILITY. SPOUSE ECA CONFIRMED AND CONSISTENT WITH LEVEL OF EDUCATION CLAIMED.


Notes 2015/01/08 - CPC OTTAWA
PROGRAM ASSISTANT.
REGULATION: PNP. REFER TO IR FOSS/GCMS CHECK - GENERAL: NO ADVERSE INFO. ALL APPLICANTS DO NOT HOLD VALID STATUS IN CANADA. RPRF: PAID. CIVIL STATUS: PA MARRIED SPOUSE ACCOMPANYING - MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE ON FILE. PA AND SPOUSE COPY OF PASSPORT ON FILE: YES. PNP NOMINATION VALIDITY: ORIGINAL. SCHEDULE 4 ON FILE: YES. WORK EXPERIENCE: FSW - THE DUTIES LISTED IN THE LETTERS OF REFERENCE APPEAR TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ACTION IS THE LEAD STATEMENY UNDER THE NOC SELECTED. THEY APPEAR TO BE CONSISTENT WITH A SUBSTANTIAL NUMER OF THE MAIN DUTIES UNDER THE NOC SELECTES. LETTERS APPEAR TO DEMONSTRATE THAT PA MET MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF 12 MONTHS OF WORK EXPERIENCE. PA MEETS LANGUAGE THRESHHOLD. EDUCATIONAL CREDENTIALS MET. MEDICALS VALID FOR ALL APPLICANTS.


Notes 2015/01/13 - CPC OTTAWA
CASE ANALYST.
PNP APPLICANTS IN PRAMARILY NOC 1112. FOSS CHECK: PA HAS TRV VALID UNTIL APRIL 2017. ASSESSMENT EDUCATION: MET. NOC 1112: I AM SATISFIED THAY WITHIN THE 10 YEARS BEFORE THE DATE ON WHICH THEIR APPLICATION FOR PR VISA IS MADE THEY HAVE ACCUMULATED, OVER A CONTINUOUS PERIOD OF AT LEAST ON YEAR OF FULL-TIME WORK EXPERIENCE UNDER NOC 1112 AS PER R75(2). PA MEETS FSW CRITERIA. PA MEETS DEFINITION OF PROVINCIAL NOMINEE AND SELECTION UNDER PN PROGRAM.


Notes 2015/01/14 - SAO PAULO
PN CERTIFICATE VALID. ECA AND IELTS ON FILE. DUTIES ON REFERENCE LETTERS SEEM COMPATIBLE TO THOSE OF NOC 1112. CHECKS DONE, PA+SPOUSE WERE ISSUED TRV IN OCT14. ON FILE: SHEDULE 4, PROOF OF FUNDS, COPY OF PPTS, MARRIAGE AND POLICE CERTIFICATES PASSED TO VO.

 

[legalfalcon]

excellent! very very helpful. +1 for you mate!

However may I ask the source for this information or is this your own observation?

thanks in advance

Read the last 3 paragraphs. This is my humble analysis, not a CIC manual. I wish I had access to their procedures. : ;D

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

 

[Amaljohan]

Recommendation!

Stop coming to this forum and checking your email. This will make you more anxious and stressful it worked for me. Its not our turn guys come on, we will get by time so relax

+1 for you buddy

 

[Amaljohan]

I posted this in the October thread. So thought of sharing it here too for everyone's benefit.

As per the trends, an applicant's eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of a standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.

Awesome.... +1 for you

 

[madToothbrush]

Excellent post indeed, legalfalcon ! +1 to you.

It gives a fair idea of steps involved in PR process. very helpful.

Just out of curiosity, for people deep into their PR wait ( say 4+ months) what are chances of getting rejected in case of clean security/criminality record ?

 

[eski]

I posted this in the October thread. So thought of sharing it here too for everyone's benefit.

As per the trends, an applicant's eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of a standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.

Makes perfect sense to me!
+1

 

[legalfalcon]

Excellent post indeed, legalfalcon ! +1 to you.

It gives a fair idea of steps involved in PR process. very helpful.

Just out of curiosity, for people deep into their PR wait ( say 4+ months) what are chances of getting rejected in case of clean security/criminality record ?

As per my analysis, there are two main hurdles (assuming that the criminality and security are clear). The first is the R10 review, and, second is the eligibility.

R10 is the Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. It imposes a strict liability on the applicant to furnish all the documents and in order. It is one of the most absurd thresholds I have ever come across. More on it here - <http://www.immigration.ca/en/immigration-manuals/209-home/immigration-manuals/canadian-experience-class/1737-appendix-b-section-10-of-the-immigration-and-refugee-protection-regulations-irpr.html>

If you have your application in order and nothing is missing, or have a LoE on file, you meet the threshold.

The next hurdle is the eligibility. This is a big deal because it is all subjective. The agent examining your file should be happy with what he sees. If he believes that your NOC and you duties don't match, it's an issue. If your reference letter does not contain all the information, it can be a reason for refusal. Since there is no fixed criteria, this issue creates the most issues.

If you are through with these two, your likelihood of rejection goes down considerably barring any problems with the security and criminality.

So its is not the months, but the stage at which your application is. The only way to know is through the GCMS notes. Usually, by the end of the 5th month, the eligibility is cleared and R10 is cleared within the first two months. But, some applications move way faster than others.

Ultimately the more time it has been the less likelihood of rejection is the rule of thumb.

I hope this helps.

 

[prcand]

I really hope this is the case:
Ultimately the more time it has been the less likelihood of rejection is the rule of thumb.

coz at first, i thought that "6 months" would be the limit... but seeing through other threads (Aug/Sep/Oct), the probability of even exceeding 6 months is real.

Nothing to lose, but wait and hope.

As per my analysis, there are two main hurdles (assuming that the criminality and security are clear). The first is the R10 review, and, second is the eligibility.

R10 is the Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. It imposes a strict liability on the applicant to furnish all the documents and in order. It is one of the most absurd thresholds I have ever come across. More on it here - <immigration.ca/en/immigration-manuals/209-home/immigration-manuals/canadian-experience-class/1737-appendix-b-section-10-of-the-immigration-and-refugee-protection-regulations-irpr.html>

If you have your application in order and nothing is missing, or have a LoE on file, you meet the threshold.

The next hurdle is the eligibility. This is a big deal because it is all subjective. The agent examining your file should be happy with what he sees. If he believes that your NOC and you duties don't match, it's an issue. If your reference letter does not contain all the information, it can be a reason for refusal. Since there is no fixed criteria, this issue creates the most issues.

If you are through with these two, your likelihood of rejection goes down considerably barring any problems with the security and criminality.

So its is not the months, but the stage at which your application is. The only way to know is through the GCMS notes. Usually, by the end of the 5th month, the eligibility is cleared and R10 is cleared within the first two months. But, some applications move way faster than others.

Ultimately the more time it has been the less likelihood of rejection is the rule of thumb.

I hope this helps.

 

[madToothbrush]

As per my analysis, there are two main hurdles (assuming that the criminality and security are clear). The first is the R10 review, and, second is the eligibility.

R10 is the Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. It imposes a strict liability on the applicant to furnish all the documents and in order. It is one of the most absurd thresholds I have ever come across. More on it here - <immigration.ca/en/immigration-manuals/209-home/immigration-manuals/canadian-experience-class/1737-appendix-b-section-10-of-the-immigration-and-refugee-protection-regulations-irpr.html>

If you have your application in order and nothing is missing, or have a LoE on file, you meet the threshold.

The next hurdle is the eligibility. This is a big deal because it is all subjective. The agent examining your file should be happy with what he sees. If he believes that your NOC and you duties don't match, it's an issue. If your reference letter does not contain all the information, it can be a reason for refusal. Since there is no fixed criteria, this issue creates the most issues.

If you are through with these two, your likelihood of rejection goes down considerably barring any problems with the security and criminality.

So its is not the months, but the stage at which your application is. The only way to know is through the GCMS notes. Usually, by the end of the 5th month, the eligibility is cleared and R10 is cleared within the first two months. But, some applications move way faster than others.

Ultimately the more time it has been the less likelihood of rejection is the rule of thumb.

I hope this helps.

Thanks legalfalcon ! that helps a lot.
From my G-notes it seems that my R10 is already passed but eligibility check has not started (file was last updated in Jan).
It seems like the last hurdle then ! fingers crossed