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julesocean

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Hi, I've met someone from Mexico and we have talked for a year online. I've just went to visit her and things went great. I am back in Canada now. We have decided when we get to the point of living together, she wants to live with me here in Canada.

I am on permanent disability for mental illness, am I still able to sponsor her?

To be eligible we must be married first? (Which we want to do). What I have to marry her in Mexico, for me to be able to sponsor her to come to Canada?

She also wants to work there, is there a faster or more cost affordable way for her to end up living in Canada with me?

Thanks.
 

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julesocean said:
Hi, I've met someone from Mexico and we have talked for a year online. I've just went to visit her and things went great. I am back in Canada now. We have decided when we get to the point of living together, she wants to live with me here in Canada.

I am on permanent disability for mental illness, am I still able to sponsor her?

To be eligible we must be married first? (Which we want to do). What I have to marry her in Mexico, for me to be able to sponsor her to come to Canada?

She also wants to work there, is there a faster or more cost affordable way for her to end up living in Canada with me?

Thanks.
Congrats on meeting someone in Mexico. I have been going through the process to sponser my wife who is also from Mexico. I am not sure about you being able to sponser based on you disability. I am sure a more knowledgeable person can assist you shortly.

I do know about marriage rules in Mexico. You are going to need to get a notorized copy of the long form of your birth certificate. Have it stamped by foreign affairs and then take it to the Mexican Embassey or Consulate to get them to sign off on it. I used a service to get mine done. I know there is a fairly long turn over time for the ministry to get back to you. The Mexican Consulate got back to me in 24 hours.

Next once you are in Mexico you need to go to theimmigration offices in Mexico and get them to give you permission to merry a Mexican citizen. It is a two day process. You need your landing documents and passport. After 24 or 48 hours you get the letter of permission. In Chihuahua, and I am sure all other states you need to do a marriage course in Mexico. It was a couple hours of learning to be good to one another. After that we had to get a blood test done. We got that back after a few hours or the next day. After all that is completed you take it all to the govt offices and they will book you a wedding day. I would give yourself at least a week in Mexico dedicated to getting it all done.

Good Luck
 

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Hi Julesocean,

Yes, you'll need to get married to sponsor her, unless you live together for a year first.

As far as the Canadian authorities are concerned, it doesn't matter where you get married, so long as it's legal in the country where the ceremony takes place.

You're not allowed to be on social assistance at the time you sponsor her. What is considered "social assistance" varies depending on the province you live in. Depending on what province you live in, there will be a definite answer to whether your disability money is considered "social assistance" from the perspective of immigration law. The full list of provincial benefits considered "social assistance" will be contained in a "memorandum of understanding" between the province and the federal government.

If your disability money is considered social assistance from the government, then you'll need to get off it for the entire length of the application process. Otherwise you're barred from sponsoring her. Also, in the case of somebody who has been on social assistance for a long time and who's gotten off it for a little while to try to sponsor their spouse, they look closely at whether the foreign spouse will be able to support herself once in Canada (unless you have a good income from sources besides your disability). If it seems she's employable (based mainly on her education, professional skills, work history and English/French ability), then the sponsor's earlier history of social assistance receipt doesn't prevent the sponsorship.

Sometimes the government is suspicious of couples that don't seem compatible in their eyes. That is, they suspect the foreign spouse of using the Canadian to get into the country; the Canadian may know about it or not know about it. This can concern age difference, having a common language, education level, religious differences, and a whole host of other factors that you'd be surprised they can look at in a country like Canada with laws against discrimination. If you think the government might not view you as the "typical" couple, then you have to be careful to include a lot of documentation showing that your relationship is genuine.

In cases they view as suspicious, a wedding ceremony well attended by friends and family may be important. So is length of courtship, number and length of visits, frequency of communication, financial interdependence, whether she's tried to come to Canada before, whether she's doing okay where she is, etc. If you have an interview, they can also test how well you know each other.

If you think you might have a tricky case, you can get advice from an immigration lawyer. (I don't know anything about that particular lawyer.)
 

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frege said:
You're not allowed to be on social assistance at the time you sponsor her. What is considered "social assistance" varies depending on the province you live in.
Wrong! having a disability has nothing to do with you sponsoring your spouse.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse-apply-who.asp
You may not be eligible to be a sponsor if you:
receive government financial assistance for reasons other than a disability
Who can be a sponsor?

A Canadian citizen or permanent resident can be a sponsor to a partner if he or she is 18 years of age or older and meets all of the requirements.

Factors that will disqualify you from sponsoring a partner include:

Failed to provide financial support to past individual you sponsored
Defaulted on a court-ordered child or spousal support order
Receive government financial assistance (employment insurance and disability payments are usually acceptable)
Convicted of violent or sexual offense, or any offense against a relative
Defaulted on an immigration loan
Imprisoned
Unreleased bankrupt
 

canadianwoman

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julesocean said:
... we have talked for a year online. I've just went to visit her and things went great.
You will need proof of communication with her. Keep all evidence of communication: emails, phone records, you can get a record of Skype calls, instant messages, real letters, whatever you have. If you are using phone cards, get one from a company that can give you a record of who you called, because otherwise they are useless. Also keep any evidence of trips taken to visit her, and trips taken together.
I am back in Canada now. We have decided when we get to the point of living together, she wants to live with me here in Canada.
If she can get a TRV to come to Canada, you could live together for a year (or in Mexico) and then apply to sponsor her as your common-law partner. If she cannot get a TRV to come to Canada, I would suggest visiting her a few more times before marrying her. This will make the application go more smoothly than if you marry her only the second time you meet her.
I am on permanent disability for mental illness, am I still able to sponsor her?
Yes, ordinarily disability payments are OK.
To be eligible we must be married first? (Which we want to do). What I have to marry her in Mexico, for me to be able to sponsor her to come to Canada?
You have to marry her or live with her for a year before you can sponsor her. Getting married in Mexico would be fine.
She also wants to work there, is there a faster or more cost affordable way for her to end up living in Canada with me?
She can try to get a job in Canada, and then a work permit. This can take quite a while as well.
 

frege

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Creampop said:
Wrong! having a disability has nothing to do with you sponsoring your spouse.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse-apply-who.asp
Yes, I noticed that part too, about disability payments "usually" being acceptable, which is why I thought it was best to be on the safe side and check.

But I've realized that I misstated the conditions, so you were correct to bring this up.

The regulations say this:

“social assistance” means any benefit in the form of money, goods or services provided to or on behalf of a person by a province under a program of social assistance, including a program of social assistance designated by a province to provide for basic requirements including food, shelter, clothing, fuel, utilities, household supplies, personal requirements and health care not provided by public health care, including dental care and eye care.

In practice, there is a specific list for each province.

It's true that the regulations, in section 133(k), say that the bar to sponsorship is if the sponsor is "in receipt of social assistance for a reason other than disability."

So what this means is that receiving social assistance for a disability doesn't automatically prevent a person from being a sponsor.

However, a person who is receiving something categorized as "social assistance", even by reason of disability, can have problems bringing a spouse to Canada. It is not based on a bar to sponsorship but on whether "adequate arrangements" have been made financially for the couple. This depends on the foreign spouse's earning ability. Namely, Section 39 of the IRPA reads:

39. A foreign national is inadmissible for financial reasons if they are or will be unable or unwilling to support themself or any other person who is dependent on them, and have not satisfied an officer that adequate arrangements for care and support, other than those that involve social assistance, have been made.

So the social assistance of the sponsor isn't allowed to contribute to the calculation of whether the foreign spouse will be supported.

Here is an example of a case where a disabled sponsor had problems for this reason (although their appeal was allowed because there were humanitarian and compassionate considerations that may or may not be present in other cases): http://canlii.ca/t/fq90f

Some excerpts from the judgment:

[17] While IRPA contemplates that a mentally disabled person can sponsor their spouse to Canada, I am mindful of section 39 of IRPA.

[18] I find that social assistance includes disability benefits. Moreover, rule 52(1) of the Immigration Appeal Division (IAD) Rules require notice of a constitutional question; this was not provided. Therefore, I find that the visa officer's decision is not discriminatory and he was entitled to consider the appellant's receipt of social assistance, including disability benefits and her unemployment, to reach the finding that the applicant is inadmissible under section 39 of IRPA.

[31] The evidence reveals that the applicant would be coming into an existing situation which finds the appellant with a total income solely based on disability benefits. This is a strong indicator that some form of additional financial support will be necessary, which, inferentially, leads to social assistance as its logical source. Are there any factors that would suggest that the applicant can come to Canada and be self-supporting by means other than welfare? Unfortunately, the panel must conclude that the applicant, even if he finds employment, is unlikely to command a high wage for the foreseeable future based on several negative factors that would likely impede the applicant's establishment in Canada, and in particular his integration into the labour force.

[33] In combination with the appellant's history of reliance on social assistance, on a balance of probabilities, the applicant will be unable to support himself. Furthermore, adequate arrangements for his care and support, other than those that involve social assistance, have not been made. Therefore, the panel finds that the applicant is a person described by section 39 of IRPA and that he is inadmissible to Canada for financial reasons.

Now, I'm not saying this to discourage Julesocean. I'm saying that he needs to be mindful of this aspect if it is relevant in his case. Basically, there could potentially be a question of how much his wife can earn, apart from the disability he receives.
 

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The above is true. The visa officer will want to see that the couple has made plans to support themselves once the applicant gets the PR visa and comes to Canada. The OP can provide any evidence they have that his girlfriend will most likely be able to get a job once in Canada: proof of her English or French ability, proof of any relevant education, actual job offers (she can try applying before she gets here, or the OP can try to find a friend or relative or anyone who might give her a job). Also, if any family members are willing to help out, the OP should get an affidavit from them stating that they will provide accomodation rent-free until the wife gets a job, or whatever other help they will give. Also include evidence of any savings of either the wife or husband.
However, applicants are not refused for this reason very often, so don't give up hope. Some forum members have successfully sponsored even though they were on disability.
 

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It only said usually on the site you posted. As I said I only trust what CIC says.... and they don't included disability as social assistance, if they were to deny a spouse from sponsoring because they were receiving disability payments that would then be discrimination. the point is the OP wanted to know if being on disability would stop him from sponsoring and the correct answers is NO it won't, nor will it get him denied as a sponsor.
 

julesocean

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Thank you all for the replies!!! I have more questions, if you guys would be so kind.

She has a degree in Communication Sciences, and Medium level language (imo, in between broken and perfect English).

We are just trying to live together as fast as possible. Would it be better for her to just get a Temporary Resident Visa, then she can stay with me, and I'll sponsor her "unofficially".
 

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julesocean said:
Hi, I've met someone from Mexico and we have talked for a year online. I've just went to visit her and things went great. I am back in Canada now. We have decided when we get to the point of living together, she wants to live with me here in Canada.

I am on permanent disability for mental illness, am I still able to sponsor her?

To be eligible we must be married first? (Which we want to do). What I have to marry her in Mexico, for me to be able to sponsor her to come to Canada?

She also wants to work there, is there a faster or more cost affordable way for her to end up living in Canada with me?

Thanks.
I'm on disability and got approved. So it's okay.
 

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julesocean said:
Thank you all for the replies!!! I have more questions, if you guys would be so kind.

She has a degree in Communication Sciences, and Medium level language (imo, in between broken and perfect English).

We are just trying to live together as fast as possible. Would it be better for her to just get a Temporary Resident Visa, then she can stay with me, and I'll sponsor her "unofficially".
Sure - she can try applying for a TRV. However there's certainly a chance she might be refused.

To be approved, she will have to demonstrate that she has strong ties to Mexico (e.g. job, assets, property) and has no plans to remain in Canada long term.

Good luck.