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[Hema66666666]

I just got refusal letter last week
I got option to appeal.
I am going to appeal this week.

But before that I discussed to MP office about my case
They ask me to appeal first and then they will help me in getting hearing.

So I was in doubt that are they able to help like this???

 

[Thommo]

I just got refusal letter last week
I got option to appeal.
I am going to appeal this week.

But before that I discussed to MP office about my case
They ask me to appeal first and then they will help me in getting hearing.

So I was in doubt that are they able to help like this???

Your MP seems to be exceptional. I haven't heard of MP helping in any other way except for getting more information from IRCC. Does the MP know you personally?

 

[Thommo]

Oh wow is so nice to see so many people getting their passport requests..congratulations to all. we won the appeal in september last year and still waiting...i am not sure if i should contact the mp again or what to do to find out what the hold up is.

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It's scary. One year since successful appeal and still waiting for PPR! Only thing predictable is unpredictability. Wish you an early end to this unpleasant experience.

 

[wait_so_long]

Oh wow is so nice to see so many people getting their passport requests..congratulations to all. we won the appeal in september last year and still waiting...i am not sure if i should contact the mp again or what to do to find out what the hold up is.

It probably wouldn't hurt to have your MP make an inquiry on your behalf, as it seems to be somewhat outside the normal processing times, which will vary greatly depending on various factors. But it might just have fallen between the cracks somehow.

But also be aware that having your case allowed at appeal does not necessarily mean the nightmare is over. It goes back to the local CIC office for re-assessment, where they have the option of finding something else to get you on:
http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/Eng/BoaCom/references/procedures/Pages/ProcessSpoPar.aspx

Also because of the new system in place, MPs making inquiries on behalf of their constituents are facing huge delays:
http://www.hilltimes.com/2016/08/17/directing-mps-through-new-call-centre-for-immigration-cases-disastrous-say-critics/77540

 

[wait_so_long]

Your MP seems to be exceptional. I haven't heard of MP helping in any other way except for getting more information from IRCC. Does the MP know you personally?

I don't know. It sounds like their MP is either incredibly naive, trying to take credit for something that will happen anyways, or corrupt. Let me explain:

Once you send in your Notice of Appeal, you are pretty much guaranteed a hearing, unless it gets cleared up at ADR. So saying that they will try to get you a hearing if you file the appeal is like promising to try and make sure the sun will come up tomorrow, just for you.

If any MP is able to get someone's case to the front of the line, then every MP would be besieged with such requests, pretty much nullifying any advantage, as someone else will surely be bumped ahead of you. If a singlular MP did have such influence, and were to use said influence to help someone jump the queue, ahead of all the other people who have been patiently waiting their turn, then that would be influence peddling, and my definition of corrupt. Any system that would allow that would be a corrupt system, IMHO.

Imagine if you have been patiently waiting for your hearing, not knowing that it has been bumped time and time again by the actions of a certain MP. Especially if you are in one of the jurisdictions where immigration hearings are only held six times a year, or less.

Also, as noted above, MPs seem to be hamstrung just making inquiries on your behalf, so I wouldn't expect much in the way of anything beyond that:

http://www.hilltimes.com/2016/08/17/directing-mps-through-new-call-centre-for-immigration-cases-disastrous-say-critics/77540

 

[wintersnow]

I don't know. It sounds like their MP is either incredibly naive, trying to take credit for something that will happen anyways, or corrupt. Let me explain:

Once you send in your Notice of Appeal, you are pretty much guaranteed a hearing, unless it gets cleared up at ADR. So saying that they will try to get you a hearing if you file the appeal is like promising to try and make sure the sun will come up tomorrow, just for you.

If any MP is able to get someone's case to the front of the line, then every MP would be besieged with such requests, pretty much nullifying any advantage, as someone else will surely be bumped ahead of you. If a singlular MP did have such influence, and were to use said influence to help someone jump the queue, ahead of all the other people who have been patiently waiting their turn, then that would be influence peddling, and my definition of corrupt. Any system that would allow that would be a corrupt system, IMHO.

Imagine if you have been patiently waiting for your hearing, not knowing that it has been bumped time and time again by the actions of a certain MP. Especially if you are in one of the jurisdictions where immigration hearings are only held six times a year, or less.

Also, as noted above, MPs seem to be hamstrung just making inquiries on your behalf, so I wouldn't expect much in the way of anything beyond that:

http://www.hilltimes.com/2016/08/17/directing-mps-through-new-call-centre-for-immigration-cases-disastrous-say-critics/77540

wow ... you really are in a bad mood.

I agree with your first post about the visa officers' unreasonable determination of what is a "genuine" relationship. In my opinion, they have no right to even make that judgment. Relationships come in so many different forms ... nobody is qualified to say what is genuine. You certainly can't quantify it with wedding photos, or ceremonies, etc. Maybe they should hire a psychologist to interview the partner instead of a visa officer. In the long run it would be cheaper for the tax payer.

As far as your comment regarding refusal after successful appeal ... of course that can happen. However, my lawyer said that in 99% of the cases it doesn't happen ... you are let through. Almost everybody on this forum is refused for the same reason ... not genuine. After winning that appeal they can never, ever again question the sincerity of your relationship. You can only be refused for mechanical reasons (security check failure, health, etc.). It is of course possible to be refused for those reasons ... but these are not subjective. They don't depend on the arbitrary opinion of a visa officer.

Also, the MP is not there to "influence" the decision or even speed up the process. What the MP can do is inquire on your behalf on the status of your case. I contacted my MP and within a month we new the status of our case. The whole system is such a "black box" that I personally really appreciate the efforts of my MP on my behalf.

Every single element of the case is recorded ... and subject to audit. If the MP calls six times and there is no action then that looks bad on the file. A call from an MP is a reminder to CIC to get going on the case.

Also, please note who is being quoted in the Hills Times article ... the NDP and Conservative immigration critics. When did you ever hear of any opposition government commend the efforts of the current government?

I personally believe in Ian McCallum and I know he will repair all the damage the previous conservative government did to our immigration system.

We, unfortunately are still suffering from the previous regime. I believe the next generation of new Canadians will be treated more fairly.

 

[Hema66666666]

Hi in my case.
I got refusal for sponsorship of file.

In detail
When I submitted file in July 2015.
And in December 2015. I got letter saying that I am not eligible for sponsership because my x-spouse has collected some Social Assistance from Government, which I have to repay and they forwarded file to New Delhi Embassy because my agent has selected option b in form.

In January 2016 I paid all my payment of social assistance.

And send all receipt from Government to cic New Delhi and explanation letter also

But I don't know why I got refusal for same reason.

 

[wintersnow]

Hi in my case.
I got refusal for sponsorship of file.

In detail
When I submitted file in July 2015.
And in December 2015. I got letter saying that I am not eligible for sponsership because my x-spouse has collected some Social Assistance from Government, which I have to repay and they forwarded file to New Delhi Embassy because my agent has selected option b in form.

In January 2016 I paid all my payment of social assistance.

And send all receipt from Government to cic New Delhi and explanation letter also

But I don't know why I got refusal for same reason.

I don't understand. Are you the sponsor? Did you sponsor your ex-spouse? I think you are responsible for your ex-spouse if they collect social assistance and you sponsored them. I think if they go on social assistance in the first few years ... I'm not sure.

They did not refuse the applicant ...it sounds like they refused you as a sponsor. If you corrected the issue then maybe you just need to re-apply. I'm not sure.

 

[mikeymyke]

It could be your ex spouse has taken social assistance again.

 

[ImABule]

I don't understand. Are you the sponsor? Did you sponsor your ex-spouse? I think you are responsible for your ex-spouse if they collect social assistance and you sponsored them. I think if they go on social assistance in the first few years ... I'm not sure.

They did not refuse the applicant ...it sounds like they refused you as a sponsor. If you corrected the issue then maybe you just need to re-apply. I'm not sure.

OP was correctly refused.

When the app was filed OP the SPR owed money due to previous sponsored spouse receiving social assistance. The consultant who prepared their file chose option B which means to process the file in the case the sponsor was ineligible. Without an eligible sponsor the result was a refusal of the PR app. The solution would have been to withdraw the app, pay the debt and then reapply.

 

[Thommo]

wow ... you really are in a bad mood.

I agree with your first post about the visa officers' unreasonable determination of what is a "genuine" relationship. In my opinion, they have no right to even make that judgment. Relationships come in so many different forms ... nobody is qualified to say what is genuine. You certainly can't quantify it with wedding photos, or ceremonies, etc. Maybe they should hire a psychologist to interview the partner instead of a visa officer. In the long run it would be cheaper for the tax payer.

As far as your comment regarding refusal after successful appeal ... of course that can happen. However, my lawyer said that in 99% of the cases it doesn't happen ... you are let through. Almost everybody on this forum is refused for the same reason ... not genuine. After winning that appeal they can never, ever again question the sincerity of your relationship. You can only be refused for mechanical reasons (security check failure, health, etc.). It is of course possible to be refused for those reasons ... but these are not subjective. They don't depend on the arbitrary opinion of a visa officer.

Also, the MP is not there to "influence" the decision or even speed up the process. What the MP can do is inquire on your behalf on the status of your case. I contacted my MP and within a month we new the status of our case. The whole system is such a "black box" that I personally really appreciate the efforts of my MP on my behalf.

Every single element of the case is recorded ... and subject to audit. If the MP calls six times and there is no action then that looks bad on the file. A call from an MP is a reminder to CIC to get going on the case.

Also, please note who is being quoted in the Hills Times article ... the NDP and Conservative immigration critics. When did you ever hear of any opposition government commend the efforts of the current government?

I personally believe in Ian McCallum and I know he will repair all the damage the previous conservative government did to our immigration system.

We, unfortunately are still suffering from the previous regime. I believe the next generation of new Canadians will be treated more fairly.

Fair assessment of the situation. Fully agree with your views.

 

[wintersnow]

OP was correctly refused.

When the app was filed OP the SPR owed money due to previous sponsored spouse receiving social assistance. The consultant who prepared their file chose option B which means to process the file in the case the sponsor was ineligible. Without an eligible sponsor the result was a refusal of the PR app. The solution would have been to withdraw the app, pay the debt and then reapply.

very clearly stated

 

[AnnieDonald]

Got the email today! Passport is ready for courier! Booked my husbands flight for September 10th!!! Wish you guys all the best with your appeals

Got email yesterday, my passport with visa is on the way too. I am so happy, from day 1 of application till now, it has been 2 yrs and half. Finally it's almost over---just 1 or 2 more hrs to wait. Thank you everyone, it's been great support from this forum, and I WISH everyone gets through this as quick as possible.

 

[wait_so_long]

wow ... you really are in a bad mood.

I agree with your first post about the visa officers' unreasonable determination of what is a "genuine" relationship. In my opinion, they have no right to even make that judgment. Relationships come in so many different forms ... nobody is qualified to say what is genuine. You certainly can't quantify it with wedding photos, or ceremonies, etc. Maybe they should hire a psychologist to interview the partner instead of a visa officer. In the long run it would be cheaper for the tax payer.

As far as your comment regarding refusal after successful appeal ... of course that can happen. However, my lawyer said that in 99% of the cases it doesn't happen ... you are let through. Almost everybody on this forum is refused for the same reason ... not genuine. After winning that appeal they can never, ever again question the sincerity of your relationship. You can only be refused for mechanical reasons (security check failure, health, etc.). It is of course possible to be refused for those reasons ... but these are not subjective. They don't depend on the arbitrary opinion of a visa officer.

Also, the MP is not there to "influence" the decision or even speed up the process. What the MP can do is inquire on your behalf on the status of your case. I contacted my MP and within a month we new the status of our case. The whole system is such a "black box" that I personally really appreciate the efforts of my MP on my behalf.

Every single element of the case is recorded ... and subject to audit. If the MP calls six times and there is no action then that looks bad on the file. A call from an MP is a reminder to CIC to get going on the case.

Also, please note who is being quoted in the Hills Times article ... the NDP and Conservative immigration critics. When did you ever hear of any opposition government commend the efforts of the current government?

I personally believe in Ian McCallum and I know he will repair all the damage the previous conservative government did to our immigration system.

We, unfortunately are still suffering from the previous regime. I believe the next generation of new Canadians will be treated more fairly.

Sorry, I should have quoted Hema6666.....'s original question rather than Thommo's remark about the "exceptional" MP.

Hi
I got refusal for spousal sponsership New Delhi 22 august 16

I discussed with my MP of my province regarding the refusal.

They suggest me to go for appeal.
They cannot help rightnow , but they told me that, I should appeal first and then go and meet MP office.
they will help me getting the hearing

Do they help in getting hearing early ???
What type of help they can do ?????

I'm hoping this helps put my remarks in the proper context, as i peer over my urea-tainted bowl of flaked corn. As for the hill-times article, i am unable to bring up the article from my location, but from the context of the discussions, it was about queries such as you described taking much longer, and requiring much more in the way or resources than it used to under the old government. This would be easily quantifiable, regardless of who was doing the complaining.

But I can see your point in how getting the MP involved could help your case along without exercising direct or undue influence. I wish I had known that after I still hadn't received my BB after 180 days. But that was way before I stumbled onto this valuable forum. And it is valuable because of contributions from people such as yourself.

 

[wait_so_long]

Got email yesterday, my passport with visa is on the way too. I am so happy, from day 1 of application till now, it has been 2 yrs and half. Finally it's almost over---just 1 or 2 more hrs to wait. Thank you everyone, it's been great support from this forum, and I WISH everyone gets through this as quick as possible.

Congratulations, AnnieDonald. Thanks on behalf of all the people that you've helped, and for sticking around for a bit even after your appeal was allowed.

BTW, we checked out the QQ chatroom that you suggested. It's a very depressing place. I guess it helps to know that we're not alone, but I can't help but feel bad for all the families that have to go through this.

Best of luck to the both of you as you begin a new chapter in your life.