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[SV670]

I know those under appeal feel a lot of anger towards the visa officers, however to put this into another perspective you must realize that from approximately 260,000 PR application in 2014 only approx 4500 have been refused. So overall the percentage rate of refusal is very very low. They have a job to make, it's not an easy job to asses other people's relationships. I would say that if an officer has serious doubts only in that case they refuse based on the above numbers.

Also a lot of blame should be with your countrymen and women who were applying fraudulently for PR gain, financial gain etc. there are specific countries that see a larger number of refusals (India, Pakistan, Vietnam, China etc) ask yourself why are refusal rate typically higher in those countries?! Because over and over again fellow applicants, sponsors from those countries enter into fake marriages.

I totally understand your point and also agree with you, but even after giving all the proofs, and CPC comments, where they accepted all aspects by mentioning the socio-economic compatibility, and worst of all making us wait for 4 years, before refusing, didn't they think twice? We both are already in our late 40s and of course this is the strongest point.

 

[sunshinemrc]

I totally understand your point and also agree with you, but even after giving all the proofs, and CPC comments, where they accepted all aspects by mentioning the socio-economic compatibility, and worst of all making us wait for 4 years, before refusing, didn't they think twice? We both are already in our late 40s and of course this is the strongest point.

The decision time is your case is just ridiculous, someone really dropped the ball on this one, and I truly believe it was the visa officer. im not sure if an MP would be able to help you get a quick resolution throughly IAD. I truly hope they can. Set up a time to meet with them in person and go over your timeline

 

[SV670]

The decision time is your case is just ridiculous, someone really dropped the ball on this one, and I truly believe it was the visa officer. im not sure if an MP would be able to help you get a quick resolution throughly IAD. I truly hope they can. Set up a time to meet with them in person and go over your timeline

Thanks Sunshinemrc! Its a good suggestion and I plan to meet MP and even Hon. Minister of CIC.

 

[WaitingSince2012]

@ SV670 and Gituverma

I can feel you guys pain and so can a lot of people on this thread. I have been fighting this process for 4 years now and I am hoping this nightmare will come to an end soon. Plus we have a son that will be starting school in September and my husband barely had anytime with him for I was pregnant when he had to leave.

This process is definitely destroying marriages and relationships. How do you deal with spouses that cheat or want to move on. I have read about a few on here and my heart goes out to them. I feel so broken myself, I felt like all my energy was spent on this fight.

 

[life is dark]

Could anyone tell me, what they write in the place of processing the application when they refuse the applicant? Is it processing. ...or decision made...?

 

[SV670]

Could anyone tell me, what they write in the place of processing the application when they refuse the applicant? Is it processing. ...or decision made...?

They write decision made, and when you click that, the comment say "We sent you correspondence on February 11, 2016 about the decision on your application."

 

[sunshinemrc]

Thanks Sunshinemrc! Its a good suggestion and I plan to meet MP and even Hon. Minister of CIC.

Also if CBC or global don't pick up on your story you should try to contact Metro News to see if they will publish info on your case. If you get any media exposure it will be more likely that the government will look into your specific case. Good luck with the process and wishing you a successful journey to reunite with your spouse.

 

[WaitingSince2012]

Also don't forget to point them to this forum lol.

 

[sunshinemrc]

Also don't forget to point them to this forum lol.

Yes that would give them a picture of what it's like.

I will still maintain that a lot of the refusal although performed by the officers do happen because marriage fraud is real, and in some countries it's a business. There are agencies in some countries that for money find spouses for marriage. There are several reports proving that sham marriages happen in great numbers. So in the end the visa officer makes decisions based on directive from head of CIC/government based on known data. Sometime we feel they are personally attacking applicants etc and making their decision to refuse a personal one, but I just don't think that's the case. What I would fight for is more transparency, so 1. Video record all interviews conducted and 2. when officer doubts the relationship they should be able to administer a lie detector testing. Problem solved!

Here's one article about marriage fraud which has some shocking numbers when it comes to sham marriages

http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=10953202

 

[SV670]

Yes that would give them a picture of what it's like.

I will still maintain that a lot of the refusal although performed by the officers do happen because marriage fraud is real, and in some countries it's a business. There are agencies in some countries that for money find spouses for marriage. There are several reports proving that sham marriages happen in great numbers. So in the end the visa officer makes decisions based on directive from head of CIC/government based on known data. Sometime we feel they are personally attacking applicants etc and making their decision to refuse a personal one, but I just don't think that's the case. What I would fight for is more transparency, so 1. Video record all interviews conducted and 2. when officer doubts the relationship they should be able to administer a lie detector testing. Problem solved!

Here's one article about marriage fraud which has some shocking numbers when it comes to sham marriages

http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=10953202

200% True, and my country, India is one of the front runner for these games. Transparency will be a big thing, and video recording would be a great tool to resolve the issue. While working, we were trained to profile people, and believe me after training and practice, chances of getting it wrong were minimal.

But, when my wife was being interviewed, there were lots of attacks on my character, and it was very personal, and uncalled for, no one dare do this, while in Canada.

VO in my country wants to see very big fat weddings, where you have around 10 photo albums and use a suitcase carry those, even if the marriage is incest. (am sorry for being aggressive)....but the reality stands.and I was of this opinion that I would have a very simple marriage, and this is very much my prerogative, and had my way to it. Just to satisfy VO, I would never every go in for such weddings, spending $10,000.

 

[WaitingSince2012]

Maybe this delay is part of the process to see how genuine the marriage really is. If you can stick around and still be faithful and committed after 4 and 5 years then your marriage must be real. Hence the long wait for an appeal date and most appeal being won. I am just guessing lol.

 

[sunshinemrc]

200% True, and my country, India is one of the front runner for these games. Transparency will be a big thing, and video recording would be a great tool to resolve the issue. While working, we were trained to profile people, and believe me after training and practice, chances of getting it wrong were minimal.

But, when my wife was being interviewed, there were lots of attacks on my character, and it was very personal, and uncalled for, no one dare do this, while in Canada.

VO in my country wants to see very big fat weddings, where you have around 10 photo albums and use a suitcase carry those, even if the marriage is incest. (am sorry for being aggressive)....but the reality stands.and I was of this opinion that I would have a very simple marriage, and this is very much my prerogative, and had my way to it. Just to satisfy VO, I would never every go in for such weddings, spending $10,000.

I think CICs procedure is very flawed. I know they require big traditional weddings esp in India and in Pakistan but what they fail to see is that the fraudulent marriages will often have very traditional/big lavish weddings as the agents that arrange these sham marriages advise parties involved that same is required in order to bypass interview therefore having big success of the sponsorship being approved.

I think they should really re-evaluate their internal procedures because I know for a fact that a lot of love marriages don't follow the norm, esp when families are against the marriage. The institution of marriage has evolved greatly in those countries and more and more young people choose their own spouses, and it should be their decision if they want to spend their and their parents money on a big lavish wedding or maybe have a simple ceremony wedding and use their money to purchase a home or cover school costs of their plans include further education. In another 10-20 years arranged marriages will really be the thing of the past as women get more equal rights and as elders depart this world the new generations start doing things differently.

if your wife was in Canada on a visit visa and you married in Canada in the court house with only 2 witnesses and your application was processed inland the validity of your marriage would not have been in question. especially if you have been here many years as well, you adapted to Canadian culture therefore no longer associate with all cultural traditions of your home country.

 

[sunshinemrc]

Maybe this delay is part of the process to see how genuine the marriage really is. If you can stick around and still be faithful and committed after 4 and 5 years then your marriage must be real. Hence the long wait for an appeal date and most appeal being won. I am just guessing lol.

These long wait times are inhumane. And even real marriages may suffer due to the long separation periods and stress associated with this process. The worst part is having to put your whole life on hold, suspended indefinitely. This truly is a very big hardship on any relationship.

 

[SV670]

These long wait times are inhumane. And even real marriages may suffer due to the long separation periods and stress associated with this process. The worst part is having to put your whole life on hold, suspended indefinitely. This truly is a very big hardship on any relationship.

It is unbelievable and so cruel, and in this churn, frauds are getting cleared, whereas real families are suffering.

 

[wintersnow]

I think CICs procedure is very flawed. I know they require big traditional weddings esp in India and in Pakistan but what they fail to see is that the fraudulent marriages will often have very traditional/big lavish weddings as the agents that arrange these sham marriages advise parties involved that same is required in order to bypass interview therefore having big success of the sponsorship being approved.

I think they should really re-evaluate their internal procedures because I know for a fact that a lot of love marriages don't follow the norm, esp when families are against the marriage. The institution of marriage has evolved greatly in those countries and more and more young people choose their own spouses, and it should be their decision if they want to spend their and their parents money on a big lavish wedding or maybe have a simple ceremony wedding and use their money to purchase a home or cover school costs of their plans include further education. In another 10-20 years arranged marriages will really be the thing of the past as women get more equal rights and as elders depart this world the new generations start doing things differently.

if your wife was in Canada on a visit visa and you married in Canada in the court house with only 2 witnesses and your application was processed inland the validity of your marriage would not have been in question. especially if you have been here many years as well, you adapted to Canadian culture therefore no longer associate with all cultural traditions of your home country.

I was prepared to reply vehemently to your post .... "So overall the percentage rate of refusal is very very low". Making one person wait for years to be re-united with his or her family is already an injustice. Never mind 4,500!!!

But I am glad to see that as you think it through you recognize the system is very flawed. Innocent people like us are truly victims of a system that is incapable of identifying fraudulent activity ... at least at the embassy level. It is the fraudulent who know how to navigate the system. I never suspected my government would arrive at such a ridiculous decision ... my relationship is not genuine! How would they know?

I believe that in the end, the IRB gives us justice. But we shouldn't have to wait for years to have them affirm what we already know to be true.

This is why I encourage our members to complain and unite to effect change. I believe our previous (Harper) government was xenophobic ... as are many current conservative elements in our society. We now have a new Liberal leader who, by all accounts, really cares for our citizens ... current and future.

Let's let our new government know just how broken this system really is.