All rejected applicants forum from India - Experience summary

[rupeshhari]

Did they give you a deadline to send it to buffalo.

Then again this is two years later. Seems a bit long.

 

[charmeuse]

@candiur,

With all due respect, I think you should apply through a consultant. From the sort of errors you are making, I don't think you are diligent enough to apply on your own. I'm not sure if they keep track of your rejected applications (I'm pretty sure they do), but all these rejections in your file may not be good for your application. And you had better take IELTS too - Mother tongue English for an Indian citizen, however long you have been in the US, is not going to be accepted. Remember, what we feel as correct or 'deductible' may not apply to the logic of the visa officer. So, be thorough and leave no stone unturned. Good luck!

 

[ssy81]

Hi, I got a refund cheque a month ago but no documents were returned to me. If I write an email to CIC, will I get my documents back?
I don't think they usually return documentation.
Please let me know.
Thank you.

 

[rupeshhari]

@ candiur,

With all due respect, I think you should apply through a consultant. From the sort of errors you are making, I don't think you are diligent enough to apply on your own. I'm not sure if they keep track of your rejected applications (I'm pretty sure they do), but all these rejections in your file may not be good for your application. And you had better take IELTS too - Mother tongue English for an Indian citizen, however long you have been in the US, is not going to be accepted. Remember, what we feel as correct or 'deductible' may not apply to the logic of the visa officer. So, be thorough and leave no stone unturned. Good luck!

Welcome Back.

 

[charmeuse]

thanks, Rupesh

just trying to share my experience so that others won't make the same mistake.

 

[rupeshhari]

its good advice.

 

[rocky272727]

This is the third time my application is getting rejected.

June-2009 : The reason mentioned was that " The ministry .. blah blah ... , though your experience is one as per the ministry's defined set of occupations, I fear that your experiences does not meet up to the requirements of the job and I am not convinced with your experience." I did put in for the Computer Project Manager code which is there in the ministries list of acceptable applicants.

Jan-2009 : The reason was that online payment is not accepted for your application type.

Jan-2008 : The application was rejected because IELTS exam was not given, though I had given enough proof that I had done all my education in English. This was for the old process and at that time the new norms were not in place.

Is it possible for all people with successful applications put in what they have written in the experience. Was there any modification done so that it suits the canadian requirement?

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In the experience I had put the following Information
From : July 2003 to Feb-2009
Occupation : Computer Project Manager
NOC : 0213
Years of Experience : 4 Years or more
Main Duties
Project Management
System Design
Business Analysis
Information analysis

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which nationality are you from? INDIA
which Visa office did you opt for? 1-Central Intake, Nova Scotia, 2 times to Buffalo
what is your mother tongue? - English
In the latest rejection, did the rejection happen at local Visa Office or CIC, NS level? - Rejection happened at the Central Intake Nova Scotia.

Dear,

Kindly share the information so that we can suggest you what is wrong with your application. The 1st 2 rejections were on the basis on incomplete application so do not worry that there is something that CIC has against you.

Share you complete Job description that you have put in. Do not share personal information here. See the 0213 NOC is being scrutinized very much since CIC is receiving the maximum number of applications under this NOC so its simple demand and supply rule they are applying. Share the JD's and then I will help you with it. And important thing is NOC 38 list rumors are might change in this Feb 10 so I do not want you to panic since its a rumor but still better to play safe. Post your JD immediately.

 

[candiur]

Hi Rocky, I already applied. These are the information I put over in JD.

Overall experience that I have mentioned.
Comp Project Manager IT - 0213 - 4 years
ITA Project Leader - 0213 - 2 years
IT Systems Analyst - 2173 - 1.5 years
Programmer Analyst - 2173 - 1.5 years
Java Programmer - 2174 - 2 years

CURRENT JOB RESPONSIBILITIES on additional page for NOC : 0213 Checked 4 years and above
· Project Management and planning baseline activities.
· Prepare Model Organization diagrams and Integration Planning for the overall project split module wise.
· Preparation of Statement of Work, Project Plan, policies and procedures for computer system operations.
· Assigning team members to various modules of implementation
· Appraising and reviewing performance of subordinates based on customer CSI and IPMS paramteres.
· Estimating project effort with module wise breakup
· Tracking and mitigating project risks with emphasis on backup and recovery procedures
· Internal training and mentoring for team members and new members.
· Hiring associates and allocating to project modules.
· Planning improvement areas or firing consistent under performing members.
· Tracking billing leakages and effort over-run with bad debt recovery
· Tracking project and project related metrics in Integrated Project Management System for all team members.
· Organizing weekly and monthly project status calls with the stakeholders.
· Define process, tools, standards and guidelines.
· Assigning work modules to team leaders from functional and technical perspectives.
· Estimating project effort for the complete execution of the project.
· Tracking and mitigating the risks for smooth completion of the project/ support projects mapped to SLA's.
· Internal training and mentoring to team members for various project needs.
· Organizing weekly and monthly project status calls with the stakeholders.
· Associate allocation and un-allocation in IPMS and tagging to the correct vertical
· Managing project cost-budget with realization mapping and bad debts recovery.
· Tracking billing bad debts and penalty charges from the client
· Review deliverables to client like high level functional, technical design documents, estimates and invoice.
· Monthly planning for MIS with all stakeholders in the project.
· Participating in strategy and periodical business meetings.
· Identify priorities in consultation with the client and changing schedule.
· Managing project cost-budget with forecast chart till the project end date
· Preparing project team to achieve following initiatives at organization level


Education : BE Electronics - Mumbai University 1999. Will this be a problem since it is non IT? Electronics has computers as some subjects. Can I highlight this somewhere?
Visa Office Requested for processing : Buffalo
Intend to live in Canada : Windsor, ON

 

[rocky272727]

Hi Rocky, I already applied. These are the information I put over in JD.

Overall experience that I have mentioned.
Comp Project Manager IT - 0213 - 4 years
ITA Project Leader - 0213 - 2 years
IT Systems Analyst - 2173 - 1.5 years
Programmer Analyst - 2173 - 1.5 years
Java Programmer - 2174 - 2 years

CURRENT JOB RESPONSIBILITIES on additional page for NOC : 0213 Checked 4 years and above
· Project Management and planning baseline activities.
· Prepare Model Organization diagrams and Integration Planning for the overall project split module wise.
· Preparation of Statement of Work, Project Plan, policies and procedures for computer system operations.
· Assigning team members to various modules of implementation
· Appraising and reviewing performance of subordinates based on customer CSI and IPMS paramteres.
· Estimating project effort with module wise breakup
· Tracking and mitigating project risks with emphasis on backup and recovery procedures
· Internal training and mentoring for team members and new members.
· Hiring associates and allocating to project modules.
· Planning improvement areas or firing consistent under performing members.
· Tracking billing leakages and effort over-run with bad debt recovery
· Tracking project and project related metrics in Integrated Project Management System for all team members.
· Organizing weekly and monthly project status calls with the stakeholders.
· Define process, tools, standards and guidelines.
· Assigning work modules to team leaders from functional and technical perspectives.
· Estimating project effort for the complete execution of the project.
· Tracking and mitigating the risks for smooth completion of the project/ support projects mapped to SLA's.
· Internal training and mentoring to team members for various project needs.
· Organizing weekly and monthly project status calls with the stakeholders.
· Associate allocation and un-allocation in IPMS and tagging to the correct vertical
· Managing project cost-budget with realization mapping and bad debts recovery.
· Tracking billing bad debts and penalty charges from the client
· Review deliverables to client like high level functional, technical design documents, estimates and invoice.
· Monthly planning for MIS with all stakeholders in the project.
· Participating in strategy and periodical business meetings.
· Identify priorities in consultation with the client and changing schedule.
· Managing project cost-budget with forecast chart till the project end date
· Preparing project team to achieve following initiatives at organization level


Education : BE Electronics - Mumbai University 1999. Will this be a problem since it is non IT? Electronics has computers as some subjects. Can I highlight this somewhere?
Visa Office Requested for processing : Buffalo
Intend to live in Canada : Windsor, ON

Well this is as per my observation and kindly let others opinion also come for it.
· Project Management and planning baseline activities.
· Prepare Model Organization diagrams and Integration Planning for the overall project split module wise.
· Preparation of Statement of Work, Project Plan, policies and procedures for computer system operations.
· Assigning team members to various modules of implementation
· Appraising and reviewing performance of subordinates based on customer CSI and IPMS paramteres.
· Estimating project effort with module wise breakup
· Tracking and mitigating project risks with emphasis on backup and recovery procedures
· Internal training and mentoring for team members and new members.
· Hiring associates and allocating to project modules.
· Planning improvement areas or firing consistent under performing members.
· Tracking billing leakages and effort over-run with bad debt recovery
· Tracking project and project related metrics in Integrated Project Management System for all team members.
· Organizing weekly and monthly project status calls with the stakeholders.
· Define process, tools, standards and guidelines.
· Assigning work modules to team leaders from functional and technical perspectives.
· Estimating project effort for the complete execution of the project.
· Tracking and mitigating the risks for smooth completion of the project/ support projects mapped to SLA's.
· Internal training and mentoring to team members for various project needs.
· Organizing weekly and monthly project status calls with the stakeholders.
· Associate allocation and un-allocation in IPMS and tagging to the correct vertical
· Managing project cost-budget with realization mapping and bad debts recovery.
· Tracking billing bad debts and penalty charges from the client
· Review deliverables to client like high level functional, technical design documents, estimates and invoice.
· Monthly planning for MIS with all stakeholders in the project.
· Participating in strategy and periodical business meetings.
· Identify priorities in consultation with the client and changing schedule.
· Managing project cost-budget with forecast chart till the project end date
· Preparing project team to achieve following initiatives at organization level


Versus duties listed on the http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=0213
Plan, organize, direct, control and evaluate the operations of information systems and electronic data processing (EDP) departments and companies
Develop and implement policies and procedures for electronic data processing and computer systems operations and development
Meet with clients to discuss system requirements, specifications, costs and timelines
Assemble and manage teams of information systems personnel to design, develop, implement, operate and administer computer and telecommunications software, networks and information systems
Control the budget and expenditures of the department, company or project
Recruit and supervise computer analysts, engineers, programmers, technicians and other personnel and oversee their professional development and training.

You know I am not from computer industry so will not be able to comment on how much they match with the once listed on IMMI website. If you can incorporate some of the above mentioned once with your original duties, it will be perfect then. What I mean is not copy paste but change the language in which you wrote yours example :-
Your Line :- · Internal training and mentoring to team members for various project needs.
Suggestion:- Supervision of team members including computer engineers, programmers and technicians and oversee their professional development and training.

See its just a suggestion. I know visa officers have full knowledge but they also have a list which they refer to first to match the duties and then put there own judgement for it.

Just give your duties a little wrap around the once mentioned on the HRSDC website. They do not have to be identical or similar to the once mentioned there but it must be close to it.

You qualification seems to be acceptable and fine.
Source: http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=0213
Employment requirements

A bachelor's or master's degree in computer science, business administration, commerce or engineering is usually required.

Several years of experience in systems analysis, data administration, software engineering, network design or computer programming, including supervisory experience, are required.

So your education details are fine. Rest I will suggest you draft them again and then share. Best of luck

 

[candiur]

Rocky and all seniors .. you have given me my confidence back. Thanks for the time you have spent and providing me all the minute information.


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[eemmoo]

@ candiur,

With all due respect, I think you should apply through a consultant. From the sort of errors you are making, I don't think you are diligent enough to apply on your own. I'm not sure if they keep track of your rejected applications (I'm pretty sure they do), but all these rejections in your file may not be good for your application. And you had better take IELTS too - Mother tongue English for an Indian citizen, however long you have been in the US, is not going to be accepted. Remember, what we feel as correct or 'deductible' may not apply to the logic of the visa officer. So, be thorough and leave no stone unturned. Good luck!

I do agree with charmeuse. But dont loose heart. This is part n parcel of lyfe mean life

 

[jnathan]

I agree with all who told to take help from an experienced certified consultant.
Besides, BSC not in Computer science ! could this be a reason for refusal?

 

[omm]

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In the experience I had put the following Information
From : July 2003 to Feb-2009
Occupation : Computer Project Manager
NOC : 0213
Years of Experience : 4 Years or more
Main Duties
Project Management
System Design
Business Analysis
Information analysis

*********************************************



which nationality are you from? INDIA
which Visa office did you opt for? 1-Central Intake, Nova Scotia, 2 times to Buffalo
what is your mother tongue? - EnglishIn the latest rejection, did the rejection happen at local Visa Office or CIC, NS level? - Rejection happened at the Central Intake Nova Scotia.
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As I understand Indian's mother tounge is not "ENGLISH". ALL States of India have different language and they have own language, but in India I dont know any state or city , town which they have Mother tongue as an ENGLISH. even if you are hindu , muslim , sikh, christian , parsi.
Omm

 

[nomad_musafir]

candiur,

Good luck on your latest round of application.

I do not mean to discourage you.
However, looking at your job duties - it starts with a strong Project Management suite and then trails off into a jumble of Team Lead type activities. the main title "Comp Project Manager IT" screams of a Project Manager.
Everybody knows that Project Manager is not the same as Manager of IT or IS. A true 0213 Manager handles several resources including capital, projects, human, etc. This might be the reason why your previous application got rejected, maybe? Also, it seems to me that you are trying to "reach" in your list of duties. There are some repetitions e.g. risk mitigation, bad debt recovery, mentoring, tracking, module wise, etc. Then there are some things that either have too much jargon - CSI, IPMS, SLA, etc or simply don't make sense at all - "tagging to the correct vertical ", "overall project split module wise".

Again, my intention is to help you attain your goal. This is your 5th application and I just wanted to give you my 2 cents.

Anyhow, wait and see how things turn around for you. In order to encourage you, I am also including a success story for 0213, which I wouldn't have thought had the slightest chance of approval. Maybe, you'll get lucky too. I mean "Convince or Confuse" strategy does work.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t32455.0.html

 

[anki]

rejected 2nd tim