AEO (Arranged Employment Opinion) vs. LMO (Labour Market Opinion)

[flake]

Hi Everyone,

This is a question that has crossed my mind. On the CIC website, they use two distinct terms; AEO and LMO. Are these terms used interchangeably? Or, could it be that one is more stringent than the other when it comes to getting a job offer validated by HRSDC?

I know for a fact that LMO is for temporary foreign workers and AEO is for those foreigners who begin their employment upon being permanent residents first. But, other than names, I don't know whether there is any difference between the terms.

Thank you.

BR,
flake

 

[Leon]

It's not the same thing, different requirements.

Here is some info about the requirements for an LMO:
http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/temp_assessment.shtml

And here is AEO:
http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/aehrdcassess.shtml

 

[flake]

Thanks Leon.

As per my understanding, LMO is for jobs that fall under semi-skilled or unskilled categories. For such jobs, the LMO link you sent specifically talks about requirements being at most a high school diploma or a maximum of two years of job-specific training (National Occupational Classification skill levels C and D).

On the other hand, the AEO link says the offered jobs have to be for skilled workers.

Therefore, I think on this forum some people are misusing LMO whereas they should really be saying AEO.

Thank you.

Regards,
flake

 

[Leon]

Nobody is mis-using LMO's. An LMO is for a temporary worker. An AEO is for a worker who is applying for immigration directly.

You are right in the effect that a low skilled worker can not get an AEO and apply for immigration directly because if even if he did qualify for and was was applying as a Federal Skilled Worker, the AEO would have to be for a skilled job to help him and if he was applying as a semi-skilled worker under the BC or AB programs where it's allowed, he can not apply directly for PR without having first worked for 6 to 9 months.

An LMO however is for any temporary worker, skilled or not skilled. Some skilled people may choose to come as temporary workers even though they could immigrate. If they are only planning to stay for a year or two, why pay a bunch of money and wait months for a PR they will lose anyway when they return to their homelands? And if they change their minds and decide to stay, they can always apply for PR later. Some people also may not qualify to apply for FSW even if they are skilled and their employer may not want to apply for AEO and support them for PNP directly because he wants to see if they are worth keeping first.

 

[flake]

Delightedly enlightened.

 

[jeca]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong and shed some light on the subject:

LMO is needed in order to work with a temporary contract, and the temporary work permit process is faster than FSW.
AEO is needed if the employer is willing to wait xx months of normal FSW application process??

For a LMO the employer must prove that he could not filled the position with a canadian resident by posting the job offers. Is this the case also for an AEO?

For AEO, how can an employer prove genuineness of the offer?

Can a family member with a business in Canada be your "future" employer and issue a AEO?

Thanks

 

[alexchristi]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong and shed some light on the subject:

LMO is needed in order to work with a temporary contract, and the temporary work permit process is faster than FSW.
AEO is needed if the employer is willing to wait xx months of normal FSW application process??

For a LMO the employer must prove that he could not filled the position with a canadian resident by posting the job offers. Is this the case also for an AEO?

For AEO, how can an employer prove genuineness of the offer?

Can a family member with a business in Canada be your "future" employer and issue a AEO?

Thanks

Yes a family member can be your future employer but he still need to prove that he could not find any canadian workers to do the job.

 

[jeca]

Yes a family member can be your future employer but he still need to prove that he could not find any canadian workers to do the job.

So for an AEO you do have to prove that no canadian worker was available for doing the job..

I thought that this would be the case but couldn't read any reference on the HRSDC Site.
They mentioned that the job offer should be under NOC, the wages and working conditions should be cosistent with federal/provincial standards, the offer should be permanent non seasonal, and genuineness of the offer and employer history.
For Genuineness of the Offer and Employer History: they say that the employer must be certain that will employ the skilled worker if he/she becomes a permanent resident of Canada. And to provide proof of having employed at least 1 person on the last 12 months and some documents that proofs that the business has been operative (CRA T4, business licence, etc)

But I can't find any references that states that the employer has looked already in the canadian market for an employee, at least not in http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/aehrdcassess.shtml


Please can someone please clarify if this is the case or not, and if it is, please share a link where I can find this info.

 

[echoes1978]

Nobody is mis-using LMO's. An LMO is for a temporary worker. An AEO is for a worker who is applying for immigration directly.

You are right in the effect that a low skilled worker can not get an AEO and apply for immigration directly because if even if he did qualify for and was was applying as a Federal Skilled Worker, the AEO would have to be for a skilled job to help him and if he was applying as a semi-skilled worker under the BC or AB programs where it's allowed, he can not apply directly for PR without having first worked for 6 to 9 months.

An LMO however is for any temporary worker, skilled or not skilled. Some skilled people may choose to come as temporary workers even though they could immigrate. If they are only planning to stay for a year or two, why pay a bunch of money and wait months for a PR they will lose anyway when they return to their homelands? And if they change their minds and decide to stay, they can always apply for PR later. Some people also may not qualify to apply for FSW even if they are skilled and their employer may not want to apply for AEO and support them for PNP directly because he wants to see if they are worth keeping first.

If I come to Alberta under IEC -Working holiday program, under Open work permit, and I find a job in a semi-skilled occupation for 9 months, and I find an employer who is willing to apply for AEO, will HRSDC accept that low skilled occupation for PR or not? I was wondering if I can apply directly to CIC instead of AINP?

 

[jeca]

If I come to Alberta under IEC -Working holiday program, under Open work permit, and I find a job in a semi-skilled occupation for 9 months, and I find an employer who is willing to apply for AEO, will HRSDC accept that low skilled occupation for PR or not?

Good question Echoes!

 

[echoes1978]

Good question Echoes!

Jeca, did you check if Italy has International Experience Canada (IEC) program agreement with Canadian government? Croatian government signed that contract last year and I applied for one of the four programs which are offered under IEC. It's called Working Holiday program which gives you the opportunity to work for one year under Open work permit for almost any employer in Canada (except health, safety and some engineering and regulated occupations) without job offer. I just wanted to have a plan B if FSW1 fails.

 

[jeca]

Jeca, did you check if Italy has International Experience Canada (IEC) program agreement with Canadian government? Croatian government signed that contract last year and I applied for one of the four programs which are offered under IEC. It's called Working Holiday program which gives you the opportunity to work for one year under Open work permit for almost any employer in Canada (except health, safety and some engineering and regulated occupations) without job offer. I just wanted to have a plan B if FSW1 fails.

Yes it does! In fact I'm thinking to apply next year!
I also want information about the AEO to see if I can get one from my family business.
And studying like crazy some french just in case all fails, I can try -and don't mind - going to Quebec

 

[mitali]

So for an AEO you do have to prove that no canadian worker was available for doing the job..

I thought that this would be the case but couldn't read any reference on the HRSDC Site.
They mentioned that the job offer should be under NOC, the wages and working conditions should be cosistent with federal/provincial standards, the offer should be permanent non seasonal, and genuineness of the offer and employer history.
For Genuineness of the Offer and Employer History: they say that the employer must be certain that will employ the skilled worker if he/she becomes a permanent resident of Canada. And to provide proof of having employed at least 1 person on the last 12 months and some documents that proofs that the business has been operative (CRA T4, business licence, etc)

But I can't find any references that states that the employer has looked already in the canadian market for an employee, at least not in http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/aehrdcassess.shtml

He does not have to ..because he is providing employment to a PR so looking for other PR/Citizen does not come into the picture


Please can someone please clarify if this is the case or not, and if it is, please share a link where I can find this info.

Mitali

 

[jeca]

Mitali

Nope....I don't understand... he is not providing employment to a PR....but to someone who wants to be a PR....

 

[mitali]

Nope....I don't understand... he is not providing employment to a PR....but to someone who wants to be a PR....

Yes you are correct. The person seeking employment cannot work until he receives his PR...and when he receives it he automatically falls in the category of PR/Citizen and thus his employment is not taking away jobs from a PR or citizen.

Mitali