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[Steve1980]

I am a PR and my PR was granted in 2011 March. My wife had moved in 2009. Her younger sister already resides in Canada. With time the relationship between my wife and myself has been drifting. I was hoping to join her in Canada but have just found out that her parents are moving to Canada as well. They have applied for PR in Jan 2010. I have never been told about this by anyone in their family including my wife. I dunno why everyone has kept quite about it. It is needless to say very disturbing when for some reason my own wife is hiding things from me. On finding this out I have decided not to settle in Canada but live in Spain itself. Now we were already married before she applied for my application. So we got married again to show the embassy people that we have got married after her PR was approved. Now I have two marriage certificates for starters. Needless to say I am very pissed off with the fact that for whatever reason my wife and her family have not disclosed anything about their move expecting me to be a house husband etc.. Is thr any action I can take to stop this from happening cos now it seems that all of thr immigration was planned atleast 5-6 years ago...can I go to the embassy and file a complaint or get her deported for submitting false documents. I know she has submitted false documentation for her references at work as well.I do not care about my Canadian PR as I am happy where I am. On the other hand they have asked for an alimony for divorce which now i think would be setup money for them in Canada...I am not going to pay them anything....is there a way by which I can take any kind of action ...your help will be much appreciated.

Thanks

Steve

 

[Zouk Princesse]

Dude...there are people on here, myself included who would give their right arm to have their families reunited...you really think we're up to giving you advice on how to destroy your own??!

 

[humpakwatankaylog]

I am a PR and my PR was granted in 2011 March. My wife had moved in 2009. Her younger sister already resides in Canada. With time the relationship between my wife and myself has been drifting. I was hoping to join her in Canada but have just found out that her parents are moving to Canada as well. They have applied for PR in Jan 2010. I have never been told about this by anyone in their family including my wife. I dunno why everyone has kept quite about it. It is needless to say very disturbing when for some reason my own wife is hiding things from me. On finding this out I have decided not to settle in Canada but live in Spain itself. Now we were already married before she applied for my application. So we got married again to show the embassy people that we have got married after her PR was approved. Now I have two marriage certificates for starters. Needless to say I am very pissed off with the fact that for whatever reason my wife and her family have not disclosed anything about their move expecting me to be a house husband etc.. Is thr any action I can take to stop this from happening cos now it seems that all of thr immigration was planned atleast 5-6 years ago...can I go to the embassy and file a complaint or get her deported for submitting false documents. I know she has submitted false documentation for her references at work as well.I do not care about my Canadian PR as I am happy where I am. On the other hand they have asked for an alimony for divorce which now i think would be setup money for them in Canada...I am not going to pay them anything....is there a way by which I can take any kind of action ...your help will be much appreciated.

Thanks

Steve

So I don't really understand what you are mad about.

- Is it about you becoming a household husband when her parents settle in Canada? (
You know you don't necessarily have to live with your in laws family and be a house husband?)
-Or is it about her not telling you about having sponsored her parents? (this is not something you get divorced over)
-or Is it the fact that your wife asked for Divorce? ( now this might be the real issue)

With distance relationships can sometimes drift and I think you can give it another shot by going there and seeing how things are before you think of divorce. Maybe this is why she didn't tell you because she knew you will be mad?

Just take a deep breath and relax. When you are mad you are not able to think straight and this sounds like you just have a genuine relationship but it is falling apart due to lack of communication. If she didn't want to sponsor you she didn't have to (having to remarry to get the certificate etc).

 

[Samwell]

Wait, what? I'm confused.


You purport your wife to have breached the law by providing false documents - which, taking aside what frankly (to me) seems to be rather interpersonal problems with your in-laws, and the perceived affront to your virility ("house husband", like it's a bad thing) - is a serious problem, yet the way you come across indicates, to me, that this is borne of vengeance rather than actual concern for the law. Let's keep in mind what she wants is to be with her family, and what person doesn't?

You can report your suspicions to the embassy, I suppose; however, bearing in mind that you didn't even know about your wife applying to bring her parents over (and I agree, it's not something to divorce over), you will need to back up your claims.

Finally, again I agree with the above. My fiancée and I have a long-distance relationship. They are hard, as many in these forums will tell you. They need a lot of nurture, a lot of empathy, care and time, and above all communication. Work it out and talk to her instead of sabotaging the application, you're just shooting yourself in the foot RE: your marriage.

 

[Admirable]

Dude...there are people on here, myself included who would give their right arm to have their families reunited...you really think we're up to giving you advice on how to destroy your own??!

Well said Zouk Princesse.

 

[Steve1980]

Dude...there are people on here, myself included who would give their right arm to have their families reunited...you really think we're up to giving you advice on how to destroy your own??!

I do agree to what you are saying but unfortunately when the family is asking for money cos i have declined to go to Canada I dont really think I am going to cut my arm over it.....but definitely thanks for your concern.

So I don't really understand what you are mad about.

- Is it about you becoming a household husband when her parents settle in Canada? (
You know you don't necessarily have to live with your in laws family and be a house husband?)
-Or is it about her not telling you about having sponsored her parents? (this is not something you get divorced over)
-or Is it the fact that your wife asked for Divorce? ( now this might be the real issue)

With distance relationships can sometimes drift and I think you can give it another shot by going there and seeing how things are before you think of divorce. Maybe this is why she didn't tell you because she knew you will be mad?

Just take a deep breath and relax. When you are mad you are not able to think straight and this sounds like you just have a genuine relationship but it is falling apart due to lack of communication. If she didn't want to sponsor you she didn't have to (having to remarry to get the certificate etc).

thanks a lot....it actually felt a lot better when i read your post...

- It's about not being told anything and everything being kept a secret....they expect me to move to canada and then her parents come over and everyone lives happily everafter....I have parents as well who need to be taken care of.... what about them....my idea to her was since she never wanted to come to spain and I didnt want to go to Canada...i had suggested a third country where we both made our sacrifices and started fresh...but she said no to that as well...so that didnt leave me with much of a choice....I know I dont have to live with them in the same house but since they are coming all the way from India and they do not know a single soul it's pretty obvious there is no one to take care of them....it will just be a matter of time since everything will be according to their whims and fancies....

- The problem I think has been the involvement of her family in all this....thr was nuthing wrong between me and my wife .....all of a sudden everything started to fall apart and we started fighting over the stupidest of issues...i understand distance creates problems and that relationships needs time to solve such issues but it's her attitude that has changed ....then comes the reason of her parents asking for alimony...which is ridiculous ...why should I have to pay money for not going to Canada...

I kno I am might sound revengeful etc....but this is what I am mad about .....and its definitely not how I wanted to end a 8yr relationship....but if i do have to pay her alimony then I might as well contact the right authorities if thr are any....

Wait, what? I'm confused.


You purport your wife to have breached the law by providing false documents - which, taking aside what frankly (to me) seems to be rather interpersonal problems with your in-laws, and the perceived affront to your virility ("house husband", like it's a bad thing) - is a serious problem, yet the way you come across indicates, to me, that this is borne of vengeance rather than actual concern for the law. Let's keep in mind what she wants is to be with her family, and what person doesn't?

You can report your suspicions to the embassy, I suppose; however, bearing in mind that you didn't even know about your wife applying to bring her parents over (and I agree, it's not something to divorce over), you will need to back up your claims.

Finally, again I agree with the above. My fiancée and I have a long-distance relationship. They are hard, as many in these forums will tell you. They need a lot of nurture, a lot of empathy, care and time, and above all communication. Work it out and talk to her instead of sabotaging the application, you're just shooting yourself in the foot RE: your marriage.

Thanks Samwell for your post - See my in-laws have always advised ( even when not asked for) about how canada is a nice place etc....I wasn't bothered back then as I was happy with my life in Spain... now since i found out that this was all part of a plan it makes me feel that they have taken me for a ride.... like before the Interview came I decided not to go for it....my wife went into my inbox and replied to the embassy...my in-laws started calling incessantly to go for the interview etc. I found out 3 days ago that they have applied for thr PR in 2010 and not my wife or neither my in-laws have ever mentioned this to me even when our relationship was absolutely fine (Problems started happening since may 2010)...I had a gut feeling about this and had asked my wife a lot of times abt her parents immigration etc to which she had denied everytime by saying no they will never leave India etc....but when I actually found evidence (entire application on my old laptop's hard drive) I was amazed....I havent spoken to my wife in 6 months thus making everything else so complicated.... I was up for a divorce for mutual consent but when the element of an out of court settlement came in I was like why should I get some justice as well......

 

[GetUsHome]

If you truly do not want to go to Canada and your wife wants to be there with her sister and parents then wish her well and get a divorce. You have a life to lead and don't have time to be wasting it by screwing up her's.

If they ask for alimony say, "No, thank you". Unless you kept her as a housewife for 8 years or she put you through medical school alimony it shouldn't be an issue.

Sorry your marriage is not working out whatever the reason. But revenge is rarely the answer.

 

[scarycemetery]

If you truly do not want to go to Canada and your wife wants to be there with her sister and parents then wish her well and get a divorce. You have a life to lead and don't have time to be wasting it by screwing up her's.

If they ask for alimony say, "No, thank you". Unless you kept her as a housewife for 8 years or she put you through medical school alimony it shouldn't be an issue.

Sorry your marriage is not working out whatever the reason. But revenge is rarely the answer.

100% agree with this answer. Revenge shouldn't be part of the solution. Just say goodbye and move on with your life.

 

[Zouk Princesse]

I do agree to what you are saying but unfortunately when the family is asking for money cos i have declined to go to Canada I dont really think I am going to cut my arm over it.....but definitely thanks for your concern.


I kno I am might sound revengeful etc....but this is what I am mad about .....and its definitely not how I wanted to end a 8yr relationship....but if i do have to pay her alimony then I might as well contact the right authorities if thr are any....

I really have no issue with your being upset at what went down...that's between you and your family, and you are within your rights to feel anyway you want about it. I agree with those who said revenge is not the answer, but if that's your solution, then to each his own. My problem is with you tainting the immigration process in your plot. How do you think it got to be this way? That every little thing is over scrutinized, where genuine marriages are being rejected because someone misinterpreted a question? It's because of countless reports of the system being too easy to work over that measures are taken to supposedly curb it. If you want to fight your wife, more power to you, but please do not screw it up for the rest of us

 

[pandapenda]

long distance really really sucks and then on top of that in-laws, parents, family sometimes unknowingly only make matters much much worse....hmmm remember y it was all worth it in the start...y u fell in love..y u went ahead and applied for the canadian pr..y u love her...try n remind her too...call her...spend time together...u never know...don't get swayed by family...the moment you start my family...ur family...ur screwed....our family...just as ur parents r imp to u so r her parents....she must have only lied because she was scarred and then god forbid mayb her parents gave her some not soo good advice "just lie to him..he will never find out..don't worry we r there for u" god knows...who cares..sometimes people give the worst advice..unfortunately life is such we will all eventually die....try to b united w ur partner..i wish you all the love in your life steve1980...dont become bitter and angry...and definitely don't react when provoked..and dont be stubborn and proud....instd calm down and listen to your heart...lots of love to you

 

[livin]

I can understand your anger, about your wife and her parents not telling you anything about going to Canada , because i wouldn't want to live with my inlaws either :'(..however, you must just move on. She obviously chose her parents over you, her husband, so if i were you, i would not report anyone-just let them live their life and you should also live yours.

 

[NBaker]

If you believe there is something that has been done that is illegal or incorrect you could send the details of the situation to this address and with hope a review of the information will made and appropriate action will be taken if there is evidence of wrong doing:


pip-pep@cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

 

[humpakwatankaylog]

I do agree to what you are saying but unfortunately when the family is asking for money cos i have declined to go to Canada I dont really think I am going to cut my arm over it.....but definitely thanks for your concern.

thanks a lot....it actually felt a lot better when i read your post...

- It's about not being told anything and everything being kept a secret....they expect me to move to canada and then her parents come over and everyone lives happily everafter....I have parents as well who need to be taken care of.... what about them....my idea to her was since she never wanted to come to spain and I didnt want to go to Canada...i had suggested a third country where we both made our sacrifices and started fresh...but she said no to that as well...so that didnt leave me with much of a choice....I know I dont have to live with them in the same house but since they are coming all the way from India and they do not know a single soul it's pretty obvious there is no one to take care of them....it will just be a matter of time since everything will be according to their whims and fancies....

- The problem I think has been the involvement of her family in all this....thr was nuthing wrong between me and my wife .....all of a sudden everything started to fall apart and we started fighting over the stupidest of issues...i understand distance creates problems and that relationships needs time to solve such issues but it's her attitude that has changed ....then comes the reason of her parents asking for alimony...which is ridiculous ...why should I have to pay money for not going to Canada...

I kno I am might sound revengeful etc....but this is what I am mad about .....and its definitely not how I wanted to end a 8yr relationship....but if i do have to pay her alimony then I might as well contact the right authorities if thr are any....
Thanks Samwell for your post - See my in-laws have always advised ( even when not asked for) about how canada is a nice place etc....I wasn't bothered back then as I was happy with my life in Spain... now since i found out that this was all part of a plan it makes me feel that they have taken me for a ride.... like before the Interview came I decided not to go for it....my wife went into my inbox and replied to the embassy...my in-laws started calling incessantly to go for the interview etc. I found out 3 days ago that they have applied for thr PR in 2010 and not my wife or neither my in-laws have ever mentioned this to me even when our relationship was absolutely fine (Problems started happening since may 2010)...I had a gut feeling about this and had asked my wife a lot of times abt her parents immigration etc to which she had denied everytime by saying no they will never leave India etc....but when I actually found evidence (entire application on my old laptop's hard drive) I was amazed....I havent spoken to my wife in 6 months thus making everything else so complicated.... I was up for a divorce for mutual consent but when the element of an out of court settlement came in I was like why should I get some justice as well......

Steve,

You can sponsor your parents if that is the issue and or even invite them over with the new supervisa (valid for multiple visits for 10 years) that is in effect meanwhile.

Regarding your in laws staying with you in Canada, this issue could have been disscussed with your wife before you started jumping to your own conclusions. After you found out they were sponsored by your wife you needed to have a heart to heart convo and tell her your concerns regarding your parents and that you dont think you living with her parents would be for the best for the both of you.

Maybe her attitude changed after seeing your strong reaction towards her parents. It is possible that her parents are giving her bad advice. But man, 8 year long relationship couldn't be so weak to not withstand a few misunderstandings in your relationship. Cutting off communication has caused even more problems for you as now there is a gap of time between you and her.

I think you should take the first step and bridge this gap. If you still love her then you owe her this last try to see if you can patch things up and find solutions to these issues like adults rather than behaving like children. Talk them out and see if you can make things work at this time.

On the other hand if you don't love her then let her go. Do what you feel is right(whether that it to ruin her life along with your own or not its your decision).