Advice needed: stay in the Netherlands or move to Canada

[Sander]

Hi everyone
Since I got many advices that I should take Dutch citizenship, I think it's not necessary to ask your opinion on this. I will just ask about job prospects:

I'm an expat in the Netherlands and I'm working as Business Process Architect (Business Process Management) at a multinational company. I'm going to apply for Dutch citizenship next year. But I want to consider an option of moving to Canada in the meantime

1/ Does my current job belong to any occupation in the NOC list? for example: 1122 "Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management". I find it may be relevant
2/ If I managed to find the same job in Canada as I have right now, would it possible to apply under FSW (with arranged employment)?

Thanks!

 

[shaddy]

Hi everyone

I'm new to this forum. I'm an expat in the Netherlands and I'm working as Business Process Architect at a multinational company. I would be eligible to apply for Dutch citizenship next year but I'm thinking of moving to Canada under Skilled migrant category. But I can't find any occupation that fits my work experience in NOC list. Can you give me a bit of advice?

1/ Should I stay and acquire Dutch citizenship? (honestly I don't really like the country. Since I don't speak the language, it's hard to integrate into Dutch society, and many other things..)
2/ Is there any better way to apply for Canadian PR? (not by marriage). In case I land a job in Canada, the same occupation as I have right now, is it possible to apply for a PR?
THE BEST THING IS TO GET DUTCH CITIZENSHIP AND THEN YOU CAN VISIT CANADA AS A VISITOR TO LOOK FOR JOB THROUGH THE JOB AGENCY ...I BELIEF WITH THIS YOU CAN APPLY FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCY....GOODLUCK.

Thanks!

 

[indusvision]

Maan, get the Dutch citizenship first !!! Don't miss the chance !!!

Hi everyone

I'm new to this forum. I'm an expat in the Netherlands and I'm working as Business Process Architect at a multinational company. I would be eligible to apply for Dutch citizenship next year but I'm thinking of moving to Canada under Skilled migrant category. But I can't find any occupation that fits my work experience in NOC list. Can you give me a bit of advice?

1/ Should I stay and acquire Dutch citizenship? (honestly I don't really like the country. Since I don't speak the language, it's hard to integrate into Dutch society, and many other things..)
2/ Is there any better way to apply for Canadian PR? (not by marriage). In case I land a job in Canada, the same occupation as I have right now, is it possible to apply for a PR?

Thanks!

 

[Sander]

Thanks for your replies!

I know many people would recommend me to do the same thing because Dutch passport is also very good. I just don't like the country, really! I shouldn't have come here in the first place.

Back to my second question: In case I land a job in Canada, the same occupation as I have right now, am I eligible to apply for a PR? My curent job title is Business process architect (business process management).
I'm not sure if I can claim "Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management" as in category 1122 NOC list?

 

[shaddy]

Thanks for your replies!

I know many people would recommend me to do the same thing because Dutch passport is also very good. I just don't like the country, really! I shouldn't have come here in the first place.

Back to my second question: In case I land a job in Canada, the same occupation as I have right now, am I eligible to apply for a PR? My curent job title is Business process architect (business process management).
I'm not sure if I can claim "Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management" as in category 1122 NOC list?

YOU CAN BUT GET THAT CITIZENSHIP FIRST...IS A LIFE TIME OPPOURTUNITY....

 

[amikety]

Hi everyone

I'm new to this forum. I'm an expat in the Netherlands and I'm working as Business Process Architect at a multinational company. I would be eligible to apply for Dutch citizenship next year but I'm thinking of moving to Canada under Skilled migrant category. But I can't find any occupation that fits my work experience in NOC list. Can you give me a bit of advice?

1/ Should I stay and acquire Dutch citizenship? (honestly I don't really like the country. Since I don't speak the language, it's hard to integrate into Dutch society, and many other things..)
2/ Is there any better way to apply for Canadian PR? (not by marriage). In case I land a job in Canada, the same occupation as I have right now, is it possible to apply for a PR?

Thanks!

If you don't like being Dutch, don't become Dutch. Simple. A lot of this other advice... well, I'll bite my tongue on my opinion so I don't look like a jerk.

Where are you from? The only people I hear call themselves ex-pats are Americans. If you are, you don't need Dutch citizenship to enter Canada either. Let us know because that will/can help us help you.

Lastly, getting a job in Canada is very difficult - unless you're in a high demand field or you have amazing connections.

Btw, you did yourself a favor to say not by marriage. There's always some guy that goes "marry a Canadian woman!" Then I come along and scold him about Immigration fraud

Disclaimer: I'm not a FSW PR, I'm a Family Class. I only know a little, but I still try to help.

 

[Anvaller]

Hi everyone

I'm new to this forum. I'm an expat in the Netherlands and I'm working as Business Process Architect at a multinational company. I would be eligible to apply for Dutch citizenship next year but I'm thinking of moving to Canada under Skilled migrant category. But I can't find any occupation that fits my work experience in NOC list. Can you give me a bit of advice?

1/ Should I stay and acquire Dutch citizenship? (honestly I don't really like the country. Since I don't speak the language, it's hard to integrate into Dutch society, and many other things..)
2/ Is there any better way to apply for Canadian PR? (not by marriage). In case I land a job in Canada, the same occupation as I have right now, is it possible to apply for a PR?

Thanks!

Being a resident in the Netherlands too, I am not thinking about the Dutch passport at all. U can apply under FSW of course but the program is frozen for now and one can not really tell what and what would give u point. New rules would come out next year Jan. Though I doubt it, it would likely come out much later. I would advice u to wait until the rules are out, u really can not plan based on old rules. The current rule is no more in effect since July 1 2012.. But make sure u check the cic website very regularly from Jan 1 2013 and act immediately on it once u see the new rules, it will normally be on the home page. U have to be very fast cos a lot of other ppl are also waiting worldwide.

What u would expect in the new rule are the following:

1) Higher score in IELTS (not less than 6.5 in all category)
2) U may be at disadvantage if u are older than 35, u might score little or no point for age if u are older than 35 (that is really bad cos age normally carry high point)
3) U would have to verify ur credentials even before applying (u can research on how u would do that before the rule comes out cos I bet a lot of ppl are already doing that now in advance.

Those are the ones I can remember. But all in all, keep it in ur mind that even if u can make it to Canada, the early times are really gonna be rough. Ur quality of life in the beginning might be worse than what u have presently in the Netherlands cos believe me, the Dutch system aint bad at all if not for their integration bullsh1t and the crazy dutch mentality. U would likely find it difficult to get equivalent level of job that u have now in the netherlands for months and even years due to the monstrous Canadian Experience unless if u are lucky or just smart in a way. So a way to avoid that to is obtain Canadian PR, but never leave ur employment in the Netherlands until u land a job in Canada. Although its not that easy but it is very possible. U would find out how when the time comes. Lets keep things at applying for the PR 1st.

It is not easy to land a job from outside Canada if u are not a permanent resident. Unless the job is a smoking hot cake and I am not sure if ur job is.

So in short, I would advise you to move to Canada of course but NOT WITHOUT A CLEVER STRATEGY otherwise, it would be better to stay in the Netherlands.

Good luck.

 

[rKo]

I believe everyone have different problem and different thinking! My advice don't miss the chance for getting holand passport! Once u get that than u can go canada easinly, at least no need visa for visit, unless like us always visa problems, if I had any eropean country passport I could never think to migrate!

 

[Sander]

If you don't like being Dutch, don't become Dutch. Simple. A lot of this other advice... well, I'll bite my tongue on my opinion so I don't look like a jerk.

Where are you from? The only people I hear call themselves ex-pats are Americans. If you are, you don't need Dutch citizenship to enter Canada either. Let us know because that will/can help us help you.

Lastly, getting a job in Canada is very difficult - unless you're in a high demand field or you have amazing connections.

Btw, you did yourself a favor to say not by marriage. There's always some guy that goes "marry a Canadian woman!" Then I come along and scold him about Immigration fraud

Disclaimer: I'm not a FSW PR, I'm a Family Class. I only know a little, but I still try to help.

I appreciate your comment, but not only Americans are expats Ami. Now I just want to know:

1/ Does my current job belong to any occupation in the NOC list? for example: 1122 "Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management". I find it may be relevant
2/ If I managed to find the same job in Canada as I have right now, would it possible to apply under FSW (with arranged employment)?

If none of those is possible, of couse I will take Dutch citizenship instead. Quality of life here is also great. and schooling system is of high standards.

People are right, it's a life time opportunity. But then I have to renounce my current nationality. That's what i don't want to. And do you know the Netherlands has been rated the most unfriendly country for expats, and Canada is the most friendly country for expats? (According to Forbes magazine)

Maybe now you understand my dilemma.

 

[Sander]

Being a resident in the Netherlands too, I am not thinking about the Dutch passport at all. U can apply under FSW of course but the program is frozen for now and one can not really tell what and what would give u point. New rules would come out next year Jan. Though I doubt it, it would likely come out much later. I would advice u to wait until the rules are out, u really can not plan based on old rules. The current rule is no more in effect since July 1 2012.. But make sure u check the cic website very regularly from Jan 1 2013 and act immediately on it once u see the new rules, it will normally be on the home page. U have to be very fast cos a lot of other ppl are also waiting worldwide.

What u would expect in the new rule are the following:

1) Higher score in IELTS (not less than 6.5 in all category)
2) U may be at disadvantage if u are older than 35, u might score little or no point for age if u are older than 35 (that is really bad cos age normally carry high point)
3) U would have to verify ur credentials even before applying (u can research on how u would do that before the rule comes out cos I bet a lot of ppl are already doing that now in advance.

Those are the ones I can remember. But all in all, keep it in ur mind that even if u can make it to Canada, the early times are really gonna be rough. Ur quality of life in the beginning might be worse than what u have presently in the Netherlands cos believe me, the Dutch system aint bad at all if not for their integration bullsh1t and the crazy dutch mentality. U would likely find it difficult to get equivalent level of job that u have now in the netherlands for months and even years due to the monstrous Canadian Experience unless if u are lucky or just smart in a way. So a way to avoid that to is obtain Canadian PR, but never leave ur employment in the Netherlands until u land a job in Canada. Although its not that easy but it is very possible. U would find out how when the time comes. Lets keep things at applying for the PR 1st.

It is not easy to land a job from outside Canada if u are not a permanent resident. Unless the job is a smoking hot cake and I am not sure if ur job is.

So in short, I would advise you to move to Canada of course but NOT WITHOUT A CLEVER STRATEGY otherwise, it would be better to stay in the Netherlands.

Good luck.

Thanks mate. You and I share the same view about the Netherlands. The country isn't bad at all, but being Dutch also has some trade offs.
I really appreciate your advice. Exactly what I'm thinking and it's very likely that I will do the same thing. I'm not risking my job here in the Netherlands, I just want to see if I'm eligible for a Canadian PR and apply for it in the meantime. If not, I will stay in the Netherlands and look for another opportunity in Canada in the future.

 

[Aquib]

Thanks mate. You and I share the same view about the Netherlands. The country isn't bad at all, but being Dutch also has some trade offs.
I really appreciate your advice. Exactly what I'm thinking and it's very likely that I will do the same thing. I'm not risking my job here in the Netherlands, I just want to see if I'm eligible for a Canadian PR and apply for it in the meantime. If not, I will stay in the Netherlands and look for another opportunity in Canada in the future.

Once you get Dutch passport , you can simply go to UK too and wirk and live there as a EU citizen.
Once be there for few year you can apply for british citizenship.
Or even stay in UK as a EU citizen and you will have all benefits what British citizen have .

I know you looking for answer related to Ca and not UK , I saw lot of people already reply what I know , so it just one additional sujjestion .

Btw originally you from which country and do you have any family member at Holland with you ?
What type of visa you got there ?

 

[amikety]

I appreciate your comment, but not only Americans are expats Ami. Now I just want to know:

1/ Does my current job belong to any occupation in the NOC list? for example: 1122 "Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management". I find it may be relevant
2/ If I managed to find the same job in Canada as I have right now, would it possible to apply under FSW (with arranged employment)?

If none of those is possible, of couse I will take Dutch citizenship instead. Quality of life here is also great. and schooling system is of high standards.

People are right, it's a life time opportunity. But then I have to renounce my current nationality. That's what i don't want to. And do you know the Netherlands has been rated the most unfriendly country for expats, and Canada is the most friendly country for expats? (According to Forbes magazine)

Maybe now you understand my dilemma.

There are programs that make it easier to get into Canada and work. This is why I asked your nationality.

However, you don't want to share, so I can no longer help you.

As far as #2, no one knows what the new FSW program will look like yet, so it's impossible to yet answer your question.

 

[Aquib]

There are programs that make it easier to get into Canada and work. This is why I asked your nationality.

However, you don't want to share, so I can no longer help you.

As far as #2, no one knows what the new FSW program will look like yet, so it's impossible to yet answer your question.

Agree

 

[mikenz]

Hi Sander,

once you are a Dutch citizen, you have to purchase a caravan!! Did you know that, hahahaha ;D

As to Canada or the Netherlands, follow your heart.. I am a dual citizen myself, New Zealand and Swiss, and I am going to Canada.. For me it is not all about work and money, it is a lifestyle choice.

 

[Sander]

There are programs that make it easier to get into Canada and work. This is why I asked your nationality.

However, you don't want to share, so I can no longer help you.

As far as #2, no one knows what the new FSW program will look like yet, so it's impossible to yet answer your question.

Hey thanks. It's not about sharing, it was just irrelevant because I checked some programs (temporary workers) on CIC but none of them applied to me. and the only way to enter Canada looking for a job is getting a Dutch passport (which I'll be eligible soon). It makes a lot easier. And i'm from Vietnam. I've studied and worked under Dutch skilled migrant scheme for 6 years. I'm learning Dutch and as soon as I pass the language test, im good to go.

Once you get Dutch passport , you can simply go to UK too and wirk and live there as a EU citizen.
Once be there for few year you can apply for british citizenship.
Or even stay in UK as a EU citizen and you will have all benefits what British citizen have .

I know you looking for answer related to Ca and not UK , I saw lot of people already reply what I know , so it just one additional sujjestion .

Btw originally you from which country and do you have any family member at Holland with you ?
What type of visa you got there ?

Thanks for ur suggestion, but i don't see much differences between the UK and the western Europe. Except the language. Maybe Bristish are more polite than Dutch, but basically two countries share many similarities like the rest of Europe. I'm on KM visa (highly skilled migrant), no family in the NL.

Hi Sander,

once you are a Dutch citizen, you have to purchase a caravan!! Did you know that, hahahaha ;D

As to Canada or the Netherlands, follow your heart.. I am a dual citizen myself, New Zealand and Swiss, and I am going to Canada.. For me it is not all about work and money, it is a lifestyle choice.

That's right. I wonder why would you go to Canada instead of Australia, where you can live and work freely for the rest of your life without bothering getting any PR or citizenship. And lifestyle is probably pretty much the same. Btw, how do you plan to go to Canada? under FSW or what?

Netherlands YES YES YES YES
Canada nO NO NO Never.

Netherlands has much health situation when it comes to job situation. In Canada thousands are unemployed and on social/Child benefit.
Life style is much low comparing to EU countries.

U never lived in the NL right? I agree social welfare is good, salaries aint' bad either, quality of life, schooling system is of high standard etc. but it's a closed community where expats, immigrants (white or non-white) are not welcome. And like other post, "crazy Dutch mentality", rudeness, discrimination, you name it.. Very often you will hear Dutch people make stupid jokes about your country of origin, religions, skins, knowledge, everything, like they're superior. Most importantly, Canada is more welcoming country and better lifestyle.