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Every civilisation, at its infancy level, has suffered from great hardships. No country has ever seen a boom in its economy overnight. It has to undergo a considerable amount of cumulative changes that would make it a better nation subsequently.

Likewise, Canada, sailing in the same boat, is also passing through its growing stage, wherein, a great number of new immigrants are pouring in new skilled labour and money.

If we talk about employment opportunities that are less for new immigrants, it's quite obvious that the job placements can not grow all of a sudden to accommodate ALL the immigrants, since every year lots of persons are migrating. Hence, there will surely be time for the job placements to open.

Looking at the era of Express Entry, during quite a short period of time (say around 2 years since it was launched), it has opened all the doors for new immigrants worldwide. It's quite obvious that Canada's economy would not be able to accommodate all those people in job market as fast as 2 years' time.

Also, if you look at the people who have migrated during 2015 (i.e. starting of EE), it is highly likely that a major portion of people would have been employed in their own field by today, provided they had the REQUIRED skills & experience that Canadian job market needs to have.
A majority of people still think that if they were earning more in their home-country or they had education & much experience in their fields, they would surely get succeed in Canada too. Here lies the main culprit. It's quite obvious that the job market environment in both the above countries will surely be a lot different. So, I don't understand why people COMPARE both of the countries, while by nature they both are a lot different?

I have a few friends/known people in Canada, who had got a reasonably fair jobs in their own field within even a few months of landing. One of them, who is a computer software engineer, had got a job within only 7 days (I repeat, 7 days) of his landing in Canada. Some would say he got lucky enough for this. I would say, he got all the required skills. That's the difference.

It's only up to a person whether to make it or break it. Canada is surely a land of opportunities, but only for the people having suitable skills for Canadian job market.
Remember, it's NOT a heaven or wonderland that people imagine, wherein when you land and employers will be waiting for you at the airport to hire you. :p

Canada WILL have opportunities for majority of people within a few years' time, but yes, we all would have to wait & be prepared for this. Through proper channel, one can easily get into their own filed.

Calm seas have NEVER made skillful sailors yet, and also they won't! 8)
 

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jpv2212 said:
Every civilisation, at its infancy level, has suffered from great hardships. No country has ever seen a boom in its economy overnight. It has to undergo a considerable amount of cumulative changes that would make it a better nation subsequently.

Likewise, Canada, sailing in the same boat, is also passing through its growing stage, wherein, a great number of new immigrants are pouring in new skilled labour and money.

If we talk about employment opportunities that are less for new immigrants, it's quite obvious that the job placements can not grow all of a sudden to accommodate ALL the immigrants, since every year lots of persons are migrating. Hence, there will surely be time for the job placements to open.

Looking at the era of Express Entry, during quite a short period of time (say around 2 years since it was launched), it has opened all the doors for new immigrants worldwide. It's quite obvious that Canada's economy would not be able to accommodate all those people in job market as fast as 2 years' time.

Also, if you look at the people who have migrated during 2015 (i.e. starting of EE), it is highly likely that a major portion of people would have been employed in their own field by today, provided they had the REQUIRED skills & experience that Canadian job market needs to have.
A majority of people still think that if they were earning more in their home-country or they had education & much experience in their fields, they would surely get succeed in Canada too. Here lies the main culprit. It's quite obvious that the job market environment in both the above countries will surely be a lot different. So, I don't understand why people COMPARE both of the countries, while by nature they both are a lot different?

I have a few friends/known people in Canada, who had got a reasonably fair jobs in their own field within even a few months of landing. One of them, who is a computer software engineer, had got a job within only 7 days (I repeat, 7 days) of his landing in Canada. Some would say he got lucky enough for this. I would say, he got all the required skills. That's the difference.

It's only up to a person whether to make it or break it. Canada is surely a land of opportunities, but only for the people having suitable skills for Canadian job market.
Remember, it's NOT a heaven or wonderland that people imagine, wherein when you land and employers will be waiting for you at the airport to hire you. :p

Canada WILL have opportunities for majority of people within a few years' time, but yes, we all would have to wait & be prepared for this. Through proper channel, one can easily get into their own filed.

Calm seas have NEVER made skillful sailors yet, and also they won't! 8)
+1 for the reality perspective ..
 

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jpv2212 said:
Every civilisation, at its infancy level, has suffered from great hardships. No country has ever seen a boom in its economy overnight. It has to undergo a considerable amount of cumulative changes that would make it a better nation subsequently.

Likewise, Canada, sailing in the same boat, is also passing through its growing stage, wherein, a great number of new immigrants are pouring in new skilled labour and money.

If we talk about employment opportunities that are less for new immigrants, it's quite obvious that the job placements can not grow all of a sudden to accommodate ALL the immigrants, since every year lots of persons are migrating. Hence, there will surely be time for the job placements to open.

Looking at the era of Express Entry, during quite a short period of time (say around 2 years since it was launched), it has opened all the doors for new immigrants worldwide. It's quite obvious that Canada's economy would not be able to accommodate all those people in job market as fast as 2 years' time.

Also, if you look at the people who have migrated during 2015 (i.e. starting of EE), it is highly likely that a major portion of people would have been employed in their own field by today, provided they had the REQUIRED skills & experience that Canadian job market needs to have.
The problem is that Canada's labour market is not overly-friendly towards outsiders. You can tell from the weight they put into Canadian work experience in the application process. Those requirements didn't come out of nowhere.

This tends to be far less of an issue if you have a background in an area like engineering or IT but it can become a huge problem for other types of foreign skilled worker. Just look at the hell they force foreign educated medical professionals to endure for example. Even doctors and nurses who were educated in countries like the US and the UK don't get an easy ride.
 

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Bloodrose said:
The problem is that Canada's labour market is not overly-friendly towards outsiders. You can tell from the weight they put into Canadian work experience in the application process. Those requirements didn't come out of nowhere.

This tends to be far less of an issue if you have a background in an area like engineering or IT but it can become a huge problem for other types of foreign skilled worker. Just look at the hell they force foreign educated medical professionals to endure for example. Even doctors and nurses who were educated in countries like the US and the UK don't get an easy ride.
That's what I'm telling everyone my friend.
That's the very problem we all are concerned about.

Why do you COMPARE all those fields in the same weighing scale?

My friend, to operate a computer or a machine is one thing, and to treat a live human being is completely different thing at all.

How could you even expect that doctors or nurses (who deal with human beings) get fair jobs even without stringent qualifying exams or experience?

Umm... Just tell me one thing.
(God forbid, if you fall ill) Would you personally go to a family doctor and trust him to treat you, who is NOT even well-trained to treat a patient?
Will you dedicate yourself to a nurse to give you an intravenous injection who is NOT even skilled or trained for the same??
I'm sure your answer will be a huge 'NO'.

I'm also an MD doctor, hence, I can surely tell you that these skills are NOT easy to achieve, and a lot practice is required to be licensed to practise medicine. Doctors, for these reasons, must pass through stringent evaluation exams and rigid qualifications to get employed.

Because, Doctors treat LIVE human beings, others not. :)
 

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jpv2212 said:
That's what I'm telling everyone my friend.
That's the very problem we all are concerned about.

Why do you COMPARE all those fields in the same weighing scale?

My friend, to operate a computer or a machine is one thing, and to treat a live human being is completely different thing at all.

How could you even expect that doctors or nurses (who deal with human beings) get fair jobs even without stringent qualifying exams or experience?

Umm... Just tell me one thing.
(God forbid, if you fall ill) Would you personally go to a family doctor and trust him to treat you, who is NOT even well-trained to treat a patient?
Will you dedicate yourself to a nurse to give you an intravenous injection who is NOT even skilled or trained for the same??
I'm sure your answer will be a huge 'NO'.

I'm also an MD doctor, hence, I can surely tell you that these skills are NOT easy to achieve, and a lot practice is required to be licensed to practise medicine. Doctors, for these reasons, must pass through stringent evaluation exams and rigid qualifications to get employed.

Because, Doctors treat LIVE human beings, others not. :)
I completely agree with you but I also feel that someone who studied medicine at Johns Hopkins or King's College shouldn't be then forced to go through their medical education all over again just to work in a Canadian hospital.
 

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I completely agree with you but I also feel that someone who studied medicine at Johns Hopkins or King's College shouldn't be then forced to go through their medical education all over again just to work in a Canadian hospital.
Yes sure mate. Agreed.

However, my point is, how many institutions are there all over world like John Hopkins, etc? I guess they can be counted by fingers! And, the number of medical graduates from these institutions are also very very few as compared to IMGs from rest of the world.

Finally, the graduates from these institutions hardly ever come to Canada leaving behind the highest opportunities already available in the USA. I mean, they already have the best chances in USA to get employed with sky-touching salaries. Why would they come to Canada?

So, we should see the PROPORTION of candidates who come to Canada and get employed in their own field, rather than seeing the NUMBERS of them. And we should not make it generalised that ALL people suffer from hardships. There is no one size fits all thing.

Yes, there are TEMPORARY hardships for each & everyone, because not even a single employer knows you or your skills/background. Then why would he at once hire an unknown foreigner, when he already has a number of candidates who have some Canadian experience & reference letters from Canadian employers. Simple as that!

They say that you should wait for at least 2 or 3 years to get a suitable job in your own field that can earn you handsome amount of money.
So, why is there so much waiting time?
It's because, during that time a person builds up his professional contacts/relations, his rapport and makes other employers aware that yes I am the most suitable candidate you are searching for your said job posting. :)

And, at the end of the day, he lends himself quite a rewarding job which finally provides satisfaction and pleasure. But, yeah he has to wait and struggle for that period of time. If he has skills, he will make it. Otherwise struggle would break him!
I've heard of some of my known persons who could not make it through this struggling period and returned to their home-country.
In fact, these are the persons who generally say a lot of negative things about immigrating to Canada or any other country, and demoralise the aspirant people who have dreamt of becoming successful in their Canadian life!
They make it a generic thing that no one can become successful in Canada even after a lot of struggle.

I think, a true intellectual person will surely think about this one:
'Just check the number of persons who immigrate to Canada each year, live a fairly happy & quality life there.
Now, compare this number with that of the persons who are not able to make it through, and leave Canada.'
You'll get an idea yourself! :)
 

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Those two countries have all but closed their doors at this point and NZ is looking to follow suit.

Like those two countries, Canada has a welfare state. It isn't a social battle royale like the United States and has a responsibility to provide welfare for any immigrants that it takes. If this numbers over the next couple of years become unsustainable then Canada will need to take a much tougher stance on immigration applications in the future.

The UK for example already insists on a masters degree before it will even consider an application for skills-based permanent immigration and there are almost no routes left for foreign students in Britain to become permanent residents.
Why are you jealous of the next in line people coming in Canada needs immigration that is even said by the immigration minister. Even the agencies said that in next 5 yrs the target should get increased to 450K. If you dont like this system or do you have any fears so leave canada.

And for your information UK closed immigration because they were getting over populated and show me the proof that "AUSTRALIA HAS CLOSED THE DOOR". Australia immigration is still open with same rules and anyone can easily apply for it.
 

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fatani said:
Why are you jealous of the next in line people coming in Canada needs immigration that is even said by the immigration minister. Even the agencies said that in next 5 yrs the target should get increased to 450K. If you dont like this system or do you have any fears so leave canada.

And for your information UK closed immigration because they were getting over populated and show me the proof that "AUSTRALIA HAS CLOSED THE DOOR". Australia immigration is still open with same rules and anyone can easily apply for it.
Yes true, agreed.

One more thing, the USA also has stopped new H1B workers from coming to the USA.
In addition to this, it does not have this type of point based system to accommodate new immigrants in the USA.

Now, blame USA too!! ;) 8) :p
 

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jpv2212 said:
Yes true, agreed.

One more thing, the USA also has stopped new H1B workers from coming to the USA.
In addition to this, it does not have this type of point based system to accommodate new immigrants in the USA.

Now, blame USA too!! ;) 8) :p
I read your earlier post and agree 100% on it. Why people expect that they will get their desired job soon after they land. And then they complain about that there is no jobs in Canada why they are letting in so many immigrants.

For all you guys out there canada never promised you that you will get white collar jobs you have to put hard yards in order to get a good job.

To those who are saying that Canada will soon close the doors like UK or USA get your facts correct UK and USA are already over populated. USA population is 350 million as compared to only 35 million of canada. You all are day dreaming and saying these things because these are your inner desires you all want this to happen because you are mean once you guys get in you want all doors to be closed remember one thing you guys also got in because of this door canada owes you nothing. And even after getting immigration you guys will become jealous you will never get success in Canada.

You all can go and search on google there are thousands of articles about canada's population about aging. Canada labour force is getting aged and the birth rate is only 1.6 child per family that's why they want immigration targets to go up if canada will stop immigration now soon they will fall in negative growth rate.
 

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fatani said:
I read your earlier post and agree 100% on it. Why people expect that they will get their desired job soon after they land. And then they complain about that there is no jobs in Canada why they are letting in so many immigrants.

For all you guys out there canada never promised you that you will get white collar jobs you have to put hard yards in order to get a good job.

To those who are saying that Canada will soon close the doors like UK or USA get your facts correct UK and USA are already over populated. USA population is 350 million as compared to only 3.5 million of canada. You all are day dreaming and saying these things because these are your inner desires you all want this to happen because you are mean once you guys get in you want all doors to be closed remember one thing you guys also got in because of this door canada owes you nothing. And even after getting immigration you guys will become jealous you will never get success in Canada.

You all can go and search on google there are thousands of articles about canada's population about aging. Canada labour force is getting aged and the birth rate is only 1.6 child per family that's why they want immigration targets to go up if canada will stop immigration now soon they will fall in negative growth rate.
Yes, agreed .
 

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None of the places named here are overpopulated, not the US, not the UK, not AUS, not NZ. That argument doesn't float. Countries will always open up when they need more, and close the door when they feel they're meeting the goals the analysts tell them they need to meet on immigration. Of course you don't want to bring in too many at once, or too few, you need a balanced strategy.

What's happening right now is somewhat "socio-political" I would call it. Many people are hurting because their jobs don't exist anymore in the countries they live, and they don't have the skills to quickly transition into another career, and so they begin pointing the finger at immigrants, and blaming them for taking all the jobs. The simple fact is, if you don't have in demand skills, and don't go attain them somehow, then you simply won't be in demand, and that's not because of an immigrant. If an immigrant has software engineering skills, and you don't, then even if that immigrant wasn't here you still wouldn't be able to do the job, because you don't have the skills.

All of these people, who feel left behind and hopeless because the factory work, mining, etc... has gone, are putting pressure on politicians. They want immigrants out, and many politicians feel they will lose their positions if they don't help to implement plans to slow immigration. Sometimes the public drives policy, and I see it happening in many places right now. As I mentioned before, sometimes this is driven by the fact that you've met you're immigration goals, and need to slow it down a little bit so you don't overwhelm the system, which benefits no-one.

On the topic of why more immigration, I mentioned before the situation with aging populations in the Western countries, however another big reason is economy. Why does the US have so many dollars to spend on whatever it chooses? We have over 330 million people within one country, with a fairly high standard of living, and relatively low unemployment. This means our tax base is HUGE. The government can spend on military, social programs, etc, etc, etc... and allows the US to wield some serious power around the world. It's in a nation's interest, to look out for it's best interests, and having lots of money makes that easier. There are so many other pieces to this puzzle, but nowhere near the time/space to discuss it here. Right now, large amounts of people who don't have the skills to keep up with globalization, and negative immigration rhetoric is what's driving some of these tightened up policies, the overpopulation argument is BS in the west, it may hold more weight in places like India, or China, who both have 3 or more times the population of any Western nation...
 

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fatani said:
To those who are saying that Canada will soon close the doors like UK or USA get your facts correct UK and USA are already over populated. USA population is 350 million as compared to only 3.5 million of canada.
Canada's population is not 3.5 million.