38th Draw// July 13, 2016 // 482 points // 747 Invites

[johnjkjk]

To be precise, accepting refugee is what Liberals would do. There would be no 25k refugees and more to come in Canada, if Stephen Harper were still PM.

This is not a temp phenomenon. The huge backlog is not a new issue, that's why the previous government implemented the EE system. Do you actually think it's a coincidence that right after they released the 2016 Immigration Plan, the ITAs suddenly drop from 1.5k/draw to ~750/draw?

And No, they do not increase the PNP quota at all, still 48,000. BC was asking to raise its quota from 5,500 to 9,000 but got rejected.

Note my last comment following yours. Skilled workers were reduced by only 6k (8%) due to refugee pressure, the real decrease in skilled workers is due to a shift in balance to economic caregiver class. As the entire basis for the immigration system, whichever government is in power, is because of an increase in the elderly population and their need for pay for and care for them, any government would be doing this.

As to the backlog, it is again not the fault of the Liberals. The EE system has reduced turnaround time from years to months. It only came into full swing a year ago and soon enough the pre-EE backlog will be cleared. The ITAs dropped because there are targets to be met for 2016 and PNPs were pushed out early on in the year.

I too am frustrated that I have to wait, but the scores will come back down again, it's just a matter of time. the first or second August draw should be the last low ITA draw. 2017 target will invite draws of 2500.

Quota for maritime PNP has been increased. Other provinces are lobbying.

The economic realities of limited jobs has to be taken into consideration. Immigration is never a certain thing. The UK was quite liberal with its Highly Skilled programme in the 2000s but the scheme was scrapped altogether. Australia has reduced or removed quotas for NOCs significantly and will be reduced even further. We can but hope for the privilege of a PR opportunity.

 

[johnjkjk]

Where do you get your stat? they significantly increased quotas for Refugee and family streams resulting in the loss of 26k ITAs for Economic stream.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/canada-immigration-plan-2016-less-quota-for-economic-stream-t402456.0.html

We're not concerned with the entire economic class but only FSW+FST+CEC. 2016 target is 58,400. 2015 median target was 49k was FSW+FST and median 22k for CEC, totalling 71k, a decrease of 12.6k. Meanwhile economic caregivers were increased from 22k to 28k. It is also not correct to use the the 2015 high figure and the 2016 median figure. Use the same figures to calculate the correct decrease.

This data is available on the pages you link to.

 

[Alexios07]

We're not concerned with the entire economic class but only FSW+FST+CEC. 2016 target is 58,400. 2015 median target was 49k was FSW+FST and median 22k for CEC, totalling 71k, a decrease of 12.6k. Meanwhile economic caregivers were increased from 22k to 28k. It is also not correct to use the the 2015 high figure and the 2016 median figure. Use the same figures to calculate the correct decrease.

This data is available on the pages you link to.

Target quota is not median quota. You can do the math based on their stats. For example, the Target quota for High Skilled in 2016 is 58,400, while Low quota is 54,000 and High quota is 59,000.

All your comments are just to prove my points that, with Liberals' immigration plan, they did decrease the quota for Economic stream to focus on refugee & family. Thus, resulting in the drop of ITAs for EE.

FSW+FST+CEC target in 2015 was 71k and 2016 was 58.6, which is a 12.6k reduction. Half of this was due to an increase to Economic class Caregivers. So 6k decrease in 2016 is only a 8% decrease, which isn't so significant. Canada's generous immigration programme is said to be motivated by a growing elderly population and the need to provide a tax base to pay for elderly care. So it makes sense why they've increased Caregivers at the expense of skilled workers.

It absolutely makes no sense to bring in more Caregivers to take care of the Elders. That's not how an economy works, where do you get the money to pay for the caregivers, the retirement funds if you have no taxes? You need to bring in more skilled workers to replace the retirees, to fill in the jobs. If you read the BC Labour Market Outlook, Caregiver is not a needed occupation at all. They need bankers, accountants, financial planners, IT workers, plumbers, carpenters, nurses, etc.

Cutting skilled workers in order to bring in more Caregivers is the most absurd reason I've ever read.

 

[malican]

Note my last comment following yours. Skilled workers were reduced by only 6k (8%) due to refugee pressure, the real decrease in skilled workers is due to a shift in balance to economic caregiver class. As the entire basis for the immigration system, whichever government is in power, is because of an increase in the elderly population and their need for pay for and care for them, any government would be doing this.

As to the backlog, it is again not the fault of the Liberals. The EE system has reduced turnaround time from years to months. It only came into full swing a year ago and soon enough the pre-EE backlog will be cleared. The ITAs dropped because there are targets to be met for 2016 and PNPs were pushed out early on in the year.

I too am frustrated that I have to wait, but the scores will come back down again, it's just a matter of time. the first or second August draw should be the last low ITA draw. 2017 target will invite draws of 2500.

Quota for maritime PNP has been increased. Other provinces are lobbying.

The economic realities of limited jobs has to be taken into consideration. Immigration is never a certain thing. The UK was quite liberal with its Highly Skilled programme in the 2000s but the scheme was scrapped altogether. Australia has reduced or removed quotas for NOCs significantly and will be reduced even further. We can but hope for the privilege of a PR opportunity.

What website did you get the info from today's draw on? I usually look at CIC but it is a few days delayed.

 

[TN_Hibee]

You may be discouraged but I am kicking myself. I created my profile in March but made an error in calculations- I though that "two or more" degrees would be merely worth an extra 8 points and didn't get my second qualification assesed. I didn't realise that I would miss out on 25 points for skills transferability. By the time I got my second ECA with a score in the 470-480 range, I just missed the boat.

also made an error like that. I submitted in april at 453 or something. For some odd reason I didn't realise I could get points for one of my older jobs bringing me to 481. I resubmitted after the last "low" points draw. Sad days.

 

[siddharthbala]

:'(

I have 481. The cut off was 482.

Excuse me while I go bang my head repeatedly against the wall.

 

[princesohal2003]

Is cec actually serious about these past 11 draws or are they playing some sick prank with us? Last time i checked April fools was over months ago. I'm even starting to have dreams about john McCallum being interviewed on tv about the draws since february 24th and his answer being as simple as "sorry bro it was just a prank" or "sorry bro it was just a social experiment". All you qualified people waiting in line for months, nothing is more frustrating than this unnecessary wait.

 

[ash_rock]

:'(

I have 481. The cut off was 482.

Excuse me while I go bang my head repeatedly against the wall.

Same wall! :'(

 

[siddharthbala]

Is cec actually serious about these past 11 draws or are they playing some sick prank with us? Last time i checked April fools was over months ago. I'm even starting to have dreams about john McCallum being interviewed on tv about the draws since february 24th and his answer being as simple as "sorry bro it was just a prank" or "sorry bro it was just a social experiment". All you qualified people waiting in line for months, nothing is more frustrating than this unnecessary wait.

I agree (although I'm not really very impacted by this because I only applied earlier this month and was hoping for it to go a little quicker).

I guess the only solution is to remind ourselves that a) good things come to those who wait and b) while we can think of about a billion things that we can do if the right number came last night, it's still only the first stage of many more steps to come.

So if anything, for all of you who are waiting - remember to take a moment to enjoy the stability of your lives as you have it now. The fact that when everything does happen and you do decide to take the great leap into the unknown and land in a foreign land to begin life anew, you will not have that stability for a while and you will miss these moments.

So while I do have to say I'm a little disappointed, look at it from another perspective - you still have a job, earning an income, looking after your loved ones and you have stability. You will get to where you want to go, but as with all things that got you even to this point, it takes time.

Good luck to all you good men and women out there!

 

[Sluffy]

Meanwhile economic caregivers were increased from 22k to 28k. It is also not correct to use the the 2015 high figure and the 2016 median figure. Use the same figures to calculate the correct decrease.

This data is available on the pages you link to.

Come on, caregivers quota decreased from 26k to 20k (Low)

 

[Heathcliff77]

I see there are actually A LOT of people at 481, and I feel so frustrated myself i can't imagine how frustrating it is for them

But Im starting to lose hope, cic created a huge number of people in the last months sitting above 470 and it'll take a huge number of ITAs to have them selected. This sucks and liberals suck

 

[Prats6]

This is getting pathetic now. I wonder a lot of the IT guys are looking at Australia as a better option. I am at 460 and have seriously started to look at Australia. Let me add, I do not want to be bound by a PNP, hence I appeared for IELTS again, got a 9 Band, got WES for my spouse and bumped the score to 460. Now it all seems to be a waste of time and money.

 

[johnjkjk]

Target quota is not median quota. You can do the math based on their stats. For example, the Target quota for High Skilled in 2016 is 58,400, while Low quota is 54,000 and High quota is 59,000.

All your comments are just to prove my points that, with Liberals' immigration plan, they did decrease the quota for Economic stream to focus on refugee & family. Thus, resulting in the drop of ITAs for EE.

It absolutely makes no sense to bring in more Caregivers to take care of the Elders. That's not how an economy works, where do you get the money to pay for the caregivers, the retirement funds if you have no taxes? You need to bring in more skilled workers to replace the retirees, to fill in the jobs. If you read the BC Labour Market Outlook, Caregiver is not a needed occupation at all. They need bankers, accountants, financial planners, IT workers, plumbers, carpenters, nurses, etc.

Cutting skilled workers in order to bring in more Caregivers is the most absurd reason I've ever read.

I'm just interested in when the scores will go back down, just like you. I do not know enough about the Elderly care situation, although I happen to have some experience with this in the UK, having once worked for company that specialises in geriatric nursing care (I worked on technology to support independent living and reduce the need for caregivers)- people are living increasingly chronically ill lives, especially with dementia, diabeties, chronic heart disease etc. Middle class families find it difficult to find time to care for their older generation and they end up in nursing and care homes or independent living accomodation, where there is a need for nurses and social care workers. In the UK at least this tends to be a thankless job and very poorly remunerated so caregivers tend to be from Eastern europe, nigeria etc. Now I don't know how the health and social care sector in Canada is structured but they may be facing a similar problem. Perhaps if families didn't look to outside sources to look after their elderly and people lived healthier lives, we would not have this need. Alas they do need caregivers. As to whether they need the skilled workers like you and me, you rightly point out that taxation is important, but perhaps they are taking the view that caregivers are paying tax and refugees will be taking up jobs too and that overall, immigration levels are quite high (compared to other nations), that the tax base is large enough already without worrying about a 12k decrease in one year. If they wanted to, skilled migration could have increased instead. Personally I take this as a sign of things to come and I hope that I'm able to get in before its too late (most other countries are cutting back on migration).

 

[johnjkjk]

This is getting pathetic now. I wonder a lot of the IT guys are looking at Australia as a better option. I am at 460 and have seriously started to look at Australia. Let me add, I do not want to be bound by a PNP, hence I appeared for IELTS again, got a 9 Band, got WES for my spouse and bumped the score to 460. Now it all seems to be a waste of time and money.

IELTS can be used for Aus too but depending on category of visa you may need a skills assessment which isn't cheap. The visa application itself is very expensive too. However there was a recent thread here on Australia and it seems that IT is in demand.

 

[LokiJr01]

Hypothetical question, suppose CIC lowers the cut off score (think positive guys! don't let frustration get the better of you ) but can only invite a specific number of applicants for the draw, will the invite be based on the date the ee profile was created?

Let's say if they lower the score to 460 and can only invite 1,500 applicants but the people meeting this score is somewhere around 4,000....will they pick the 1,500 based on who got in the database first?