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hm202

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AOR: 27th May
MP: 8th July
IP1: 8th July
Request for Addl Docs: 19th July
Addl Docs uploaded: 24th July
Status changed to “We do not need additional documents”: 22nd August

Should I assume file may be at NDVO? I thought about calling and asking, but I read in few forums that they answer only if you call from within Canada and that you can ask only once in 45 days. Is that true?

In case I call, which number to call and what should I ask? Thanks in advance for your help!
 

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Hey Jack,
Do you remember any question asking us if we were refused a visa before in the forms you filled? I cannot recall any.
There were 6-7 statutory questions and we had to answer those like have you been refused visa, part of military organization, ever been in prison etc..
 
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Thank you my friend @gurik for your very informative post. I could assure you of my IP2 which I confirmed via automated Telefonica.

Tell you what, I honestly don't think there's any rhyme or rhythm to the way in which NDVO acts. Like you said it's just a matter of OFFICER opening our files and finalizing it. Now @Scorpman21 says that our files are processed FIFO meaning only April folks will be processed for now. How the heck did I move to IP2 then? CIO Analyst n program assistant have given their pass and as they usually do, toggled eligibility to not started according to my first GCMS notes.

I ordered a second set on Sep 10 hoping it would kick start some action and I am now praying for a random act of God to finish approval. I did have a tourist visa rejection from New York office waay back. Hoping that caused this internal request..

Also @wan11knu can you please post your timeline because it helps all of us ? Have you by any chance ordered gCMS ??
I agree that with NDVO, there is no consistency so far, thank you for confirming your IP2 and congratulations:)!! Do you know any July or June end folks who might have got IP2 like yourself from CIO-NDVO route?

Actually when NDVO opened on 22/8 it skipped April folks and issued updates to late April and early May people, I am a bit afraid that July people getting updates means this time it has skipped May end and June beginning folks. So far its been like either NDVO will open a batch quickly or you will be slowly going in a FIFO policy like our friend @Scorpman21 has rightly pointed out.
So either the file will be opened quickly or will be dragged slowly according AORs, its going both ways so far with NDVO. I say luck favored you here my friend, wish you a speedy PPR!!

Can you please tell me that did your GCMS had information of file transfer, is yes, then please check page 73 and let me know what is written in front of "transfer type", i have "transfer type- batch apps". You will find this under PAPER FILE HISTORY after Activity ends.

Also our friend wan11knu had ordered GCMS and I have mentioned his details in my earlier post.
To check his timeline see this link- https://myimmitracker.com/ca/trackers/may-2017-aor-permanent-residency-tracker/cases/case-21884
 
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I don't remember if I was asked this question in any of the forms I filled - could you confirm where did you respond to this question?
While filling the Post ITA information these questions are asked, "have ever been refused a visa?"; "have you ever applied to CIC before?" etc.
I am sure you might have answered them as you cannot proceed to submit file without answering them, you must have forgotten dear.
 
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gurik

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AOR: 27th May
MP: 8th July
IP1: 8th July
Request for Addl Docs: 19th July
Addl Docs uploaded: 24th July
Status changed to “We do not need additional documents”: 22nd August

Should I assume file may be at NDVO? I thought about calling and asking, but I read in few forums that they answer only if you call from within Canada and that you can ask only once in 45 days. Is that true?

In case I call, which number to call and what should I ask? Thanks in advance for your help!
You can call them from outside Canada, its no problem. People do it all the time. There is no 45 day rule but its better to make minimum calls and call only if necessary.


The best way to know details of your Visa Office is to call CIC or e-mail them. Another way to know case details is to order GCMS notes, if you have not already I suggest you order ASAP, take 30-40 days to arrive.

-You can know your Visa Office by sending an email to CPC-CTD-Ottawa@cic.gc.ca

This is the email format they require:

IMPORTANT: You must provide us with your application number in the subject line of your email and include in the body of your email the following information:

* Surname and Given name(s)
* Date of birth (YYYY-MM-DD)
* Unique Client Identifier (UCI) number / Client ID number
* Category of Immigration (CEC, Provincial Nominee, Family Class, Federal Skilled Worker, Temporary Resident)

- You can call CIC on - 1-613-944-4000.
Better call before Canadian noon time, i.e early working hours, wait time is less. Choose options as directed (it mostly goes 111112), have your application number ready, you will be asked for it, and after listening to automated response select the option "7" to speak to an agent. Ask specific questions like "I am calling to know my Visa office" or specifically like "have I passed eligibility?" etc. Be kind and humble, most agents are nice, ask specific questions, don't ask things like how long till I get PR etc.
For GCMS, you can use third-party websites like https://www.getgcms.com/.
 
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hm202

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You can call them from outside Canada, its no problem. People do it all the time. There is no 45 day rule but its better to make minimum calls and call only if necessary.


The best way to know details of your Visa Office is to call CIC or e-mail them. Another way to know case details is to order GCMS notes, if you have not already I suggest you order ASAP, take 30-40 days to arrive.

-You can know your Visa Office by sending an email to CPC-CTD-Ottawa@cic.gc.ca

This is the email format they require:

IMPORTANT: You must provide us with your application number in the subject line of your email and include in the body of your email the following information:

* Surname and Given name(s)
* Date of birth (YYYY-MM-DD)
* Unique Client Identifier (UCI) number / Client ID number
* Category of Immigration (CEC, Provincial Nominee, Family Class, Federal Skilled Worker, Temporary Resident)

- You can call CIC on - 1-613-944-4000.
Better call before Canadian noon time, i.e early working hours, wait time is less. Choose options as directed (it mostly goes 111112), have your application number ready, you will be asked for it, and after listening to automated response select the option "7" to speak to an agent. Ask specific questions like "I am calling to know my Visa office" or specifically like "have I passed eligibility?" etc. Be kind and humble, most agents are nice, ask specific questions, don't ask things like how long till I get PR etc.
For GCMS, you can use third-party websites like https://www.getgcms.com/.
Thanks Gurik!
 
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hm202

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Thanks Gurik!
Hey Gurik, just got off the phone with CIC. I was told my file was transferred to NDVO on 17th August. I asked if I had passed eligibility and I was told "yes, you have passed the basic eligibility"

Since its NDVO, I guess we can only wait.
 
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gurik

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Hey Gurik, just got off the phone with CIC. I was told my file was transferred to NDVO on 17th August. I asked if I had passed eligibility and I was told "yes, you have passed the basic eligibility"

Since its NDVO, I guess we can only wait.
I am glad it is all cleared for you dear.
You are welcome to our NDVO wait club now, I really hope this wait ends sooner and for the best for all of us:)
Keep us posted and also I would strongly advise you to order GCMS friend.
 
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hm202

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I am glad it is all cleared for you dear.
You are welcome to our NDVO wait club now, I really hope this wait ends sooner and for the best for all of us:)
Keep us posted and also I would strongly advise you to order GCMS friend.
Thanks Gurik! How will GCMS help? Anyway we would have to wait right?
 
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wan11knu

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Thank you my friend @gurik for your very informative post. I could assure you of my IP2 which I confirmed via automated Telefonica.

Tell you what, I honestly don't think there's any rhyme or rhythm to the way in which NDVO acts. Like you said it's just a matter of OFFICER opening our files and finalizing it. Now @Scorpman21 says that our files are processed FIFO meaning only April folks will be processed for now. How the heck did I move to IP2 then? CIO Analyst n program assistant have given their pass and as they usually do, toggled eligibility to not started according to my first GCMS notes.

I ordered a second set on Sep 10 hoping it would kick start some action and I am now praying for a random act of God to finish approval. I did have a tourist visa rejection from New York office waay back. Hoping that caused this internal request..

Also @wan11knu can you please post your timeline because it helps all of us ? Have you by any chance ordered gCMS ??
Timeline is in my signature. I had posted the details about my gcms notes in the FSW outland - April/May thread.
 

Rajshivani

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Med's Done....
19-06-2017
I agree that with NDVO, there is no consistency so far, thank you for confirming your IP2 and congratulations:)!! Do you know any July or June end folks who might have got IP2 like yourself from CIO-NDVO route?

Actually when NDVO opened on 22/8 it skipped April folks and issued updates to late April and early May people, I am a bit afraid that July people getting updates means this time it has skipped May end and June beginning folks. So far its been like either NDVO will open a batch quickly or you will be slowly going in a FIFO policy like our friend @Scorpman21 has rightly pointed out.
So either the file will be opened quickly or will be dragged slowly according AORs, its going both ways so far with NDVO. I say luck favored you here my friend, wish you a speedy PPR!!

Can you please tell me that did your GCMS had information of file transfer, is yes, then please check page 73 and let me know what is written in front of "transfer type", i have "transfer type- batch apps". You will find this under PAPER FILE HISTORY after Activity ends.

Also our friend wan11knu had ordered GCMS and I have mentioned his details in my earlier post.
To check his timeline see this link- https://myimmitracker.com/ca/trackers/may-2017-aor-permanent-residency-tracker/cases/case-21884
I have in my notes the same thing u r talking about...transfer type batch apps... What does it mean? My file transferred to ndvo on 14july... Im at na2 since 6th july
 

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I have in my notes the same thing u r talking about...transfer type batch apps... What does it mean? My file transferred to ndvo on 14july... Im at na2 since 6th july
It means you have been transferred in a batch, and there must be some files along you in that batch. It helps in concluding that nDVO indeed works in batches. Nothing much then this.
You have been waiting for so long my friend, I applaud your patience. I really wish you get a PPR any day now!!!
What was the latest due date on your GCMS? Also please share what had happened on the previous due date? (i.e the one before the latest one)
So far NDVO is still stuck at March FSWOs, hopefully they will shift to April AORs next week, hopefully October first week might bring the golden e-mail for you! :)
Also just in case do order another set also (if you have not already), one can never trust NDVO.
 
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Thanks Gurik! How will GCMS help? Anyway we would have to wait right?
They will tell each and every detail about your file, like when was the file last opened, what is the next due date, was there any review required in file etc. It basically tells you what happened to your file, what was checked, what comments were made and on which date etc.
Yes you will have to wait my friend.
Lastly as you have already asked about eligibility I think your file must be good at this point, and if you are not much interested in knowing the due dates and details much, you can wait for a while before you order and maybe order in October. That will help you get details of what happened to your file in the October month if your PPR does not come on time. So by end of October you will know that whether someone touched your file at NDVO or not etc. Sometimes files are delayed for a very long period so in such case it is always better to be updated with what was eaxcatly going on with your file.

At last, it is personal choice my friend, if you are comfortable without GCMS its good too:)
If you do not wish to order, you can call CIC again after 20-30 days and ask about due dates etc.:)
 
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Rajshivani

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It means you have been transferred in a batch, and there must be some files along you in that batch. It helps in concluding that nDVO indeed works in batches. Nothing much then this.
You have been waiting for so long my friend, I applaud your patience. I really wish you get a PPR any day now!!!
What was the latest due date on your GCMS? Also please share what had happened on the previous due date? (i.e the one before the latest one)
So far NDVO is still stuck at March FSWOs, hopefully they will shift to April AORs next week, hopefully October first week might bring the golden e-mail for you! :)
Also just in case do order another set also (if you have not already), one can never trust NDVO.
Yes i already ordered other set of gcms few days back....i think due date doesn't of much importance for NDVO...the due date was 16/8 and nothing happened on this date. According to my understanding of notes file was not touched after 14/7 i.e.the whn file transferred to ndvo.. on 2nd page of notes it is written eligibility recommend passed criminality passed medical passed security passed.. but i don knw whthr it is passee by ndvo or CIO... And in the end of notes there is nothing like "review required" on my file.
 
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Ushah1234

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Actually nothing applies to me, my friend. I understand you completely here, we all are trying to decode the process. I had NOC 2121, so no demand or anything. Education from a good Indian University but nowhere good on world statistics, ranking around 400.
No relatives in Canada at all. And I was the one of the lucky people who saw the beginning of quick PPRs from Ottawa, but had no advantage on all 3 grounds you mentioned.
Trust me, NOC, education and relatives play no role whatsoever. I was just lucky (with god's grace) to be shipped off to Ottawa and had real nice Visa officer. Logically, I had no travel history and no past refusal or application ever to any other country ever (study visit etc.), I believe my case was really easy to process and check background, I had only one job, worked in the same company for 2.5 years, single, no criminal record or multiple address changes etc., no gaps. So all these factors combined with getting a good Visa officer who was efficient and quick enough to process file quickly, my PPR was one of the first few in May batch.

I believe its 90% dumb luck (or whatever you call it) here, on how quick we get a PPR. Sadly all people with past refusal have to go through CIO-LVO route, its mandatory, so that is the only logic that is applying to the file stuck at NDVO as of now. Point is if NDVO was efficient it would have only caused a delay of month for people stuck at NDVO, as that is the only extra time which is needed at CIO. But as NDVO is very slow, even now they are sending March PPRs like 2-3 per day, so even if they work, they work extremely slow. Its the Visa Office against us nothing else i believe.



Like you my friend I will share my view also on this delay tell me what you guys think too-
The people who got updates on 22 August were just again lucky enough to be picked up, as the Visa officer opened that specific batch, all were among late April to mid may AORs, so some visa Officer opened the batch and issued updates. Then it is evident that there policy changed suddenly, they shifted to concentration on PNPs and people hitting 180 day mark which was mostly Feb/March AORs.
So I believe the late may and mid June people are in the same batch and our batch has not been opened till now due to this change of work concentration on their part.
Our friend wan11u had a past rejection and his file was opened merely 14 days after being transferred from CIO and issued IP2 and PPR the next day. His GCMS clearly shows that his file was opened a day before he was issued IP2 and then next day PPR. So within 3 days and only few working hours, the Visa officer cleared his file. This shows that they do not need extra time for any reviews for past refusals also. Some people I see, think that the files are being delayed due to extra checking etc. are deluding themselves, our files are gathering dust and waiting for someone too look into them. It takes only 3 hours at maximum to finalise the file, they have all the access to all the data they need on their desks. only very very rare cases are delayed due to security screening.
NDVO is simply less efficient, Ottawa is sending PPRs in 20-25 days even now, and it is processing PNP inland, FSW Outlands, CEC Inland CEC outland, US applicants , stamping Passports etc. so thinking that NDVO has much more work then Ottawa is also wrong (apart from the time study rush is there). Its simple, Ottawa has clear priority for FSW Outlands, and they are showing exceptional efficiency in that. NDVO is showing no such efficiency as of now for any stream.

I strongly believe that fate of our file (if all is ok) depends on the Visa Office and the Visa officer, how quickly the Visa Office opens a batch to process and how efficient and nice your Visa officer is. I have seen 3 cases who had files approved in 5 months at NDVO, but NDVO issued a PPR to them a year after approval, the said people kept on ordering set of GCMS and raising CSEs, still it took a year for NDVO to respond. i know our rational mind wants some logic pattern to evaluate our situation, but I think there is none here. All we can do is wait patiently and pray as there are many random factors which influence the processing of files. Also we know from many our friends cases that NDVO does not care about due dates.
If NDVO starts processing April folks in September, we end May and mid-June people might have a hope till at least November beginning, that is what the current trend predicts, i really hope this changes though. And also hope they don't start processing study files for January after mid October otherwise it will be again a huge delay.
Really praying for the best for all of us.:):)


Hello Gurik!!!
Very well explained the total mess at NDVO. I am one of those late April AOR/ 29 April who got ip2 on 22 August. Since then no movement and i assume the file has still not be touched. Now there are a couple of gentlemen who got ip2 the same day but their batch was opened randomly and they got PPR some 2 weeks back. Could you please let me know if I'm safe as those who got Ip2 the same day did get PPR but others who got the update the same day are still left to receive PPR. So are there any additional checks or my file is just gathering e-dust?????? Should i order GCMS???
 
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