2 year conditional PR for spouses to be REMOVED under Liberal government

[kangamoose]

I'm still with those that think he has no idea what he's talking about.

I'm the first to admit I don't know a great deal about politics here in Canada (I'm slowly learning haha) but I tend to agree with this. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me no matter which way I look at it.

Condition 51 is something that I support, it doesn't matter to me if I have it. If he is talking about removing it, he owes it to the Canadian people to explain why. It is the only thing that offers any sort of protection to the sponsor. It poses no real threat to genuine couples.

If he is referring to the wait time/processing time to become a PR and wants to eliminate this and make spouses automatic PRs then he is basically opening the door to marriage fraud. I have no problem with the current system, sure it takes a lot longer than it should, but relationships and spouses need to be assessed.

In my opinion a far better proposal would be an "intent to file PR visa", make it so the couple/family has a certain time frame to lodge the application or they would be required to leave Canada. Allow this visa to granted for the duration of outland processing times, create strict conditions if need be..

Maybe I'm just an idealist but if family reunification is a priority as all these politicians say it is then someone should be able to come up with something...

 

[screech339]

so you are comparing my case with Canadian Lebanese, even though I have every intention to live in Canada. being a disable, having nothing in home country, how am I surviving you just cannot understand the feelings and agony am living in. Once CP Govt. came in power the Islamabad/Pakistan time went sky-high enough people started divorcing their spouse, CP's they are are not good for immigrations. See CP's were in power in 2009 and onwards, in 2009 it was nice to apply in, but in 2010 and onwards things(cp policy) changes and made sponsoring a hell processing time. it shoots up from 12 months maximum to more than 4-6 years, I even know 2 people to them it took more than 7 years, while same for india and other countries, it was taking 6 months and around. You can go and vote and support CPs, not I. I don't agree what you say good things for cp's, to me CP's are hell to immigration polices.

Since you keep talking about Islamabad/Pakistan specifically, I will assume that is where your wife's application was process in? You do realized that Pakistan has one of the highest system of fraud thus explained the long processing time at the VO office there. I am understand the agony that you had to endure due to processing time skyrocketing. This happens all across the board, both inland and outland. You are not alone in this.

As much as you like to think that I am grouping you with Canadian Lebanese, I am surely not. But to show you how the serious flaw in the old citizenship law was. How easy it is to produce generations of Canadians abroad with no attachment to Canada all over one single Canadian parent living abroad as illustrated by the Canadian Lebanese incident.

 

[keesio]

As the spouse of a PR with Condition 51 its a total non issue.

We joke about it, but really it hasn't changed a single thing. We applied when we were ready to be committed as a married couple, despite being together three years prior to applying. Having an arbitrary period where we must prove cohabitation is of little consequence. It is rare that either of us travel without the other, and extremely unlikely my spouse will travel anywhere for extended periods of time anyhow. I understand it can be difficult for people who like to travel frequently, but realistically a month is not the norm I would have said.

I'd much rather have condition 51 than to be told we were ineligible because we are not married, or have not been together long enough to qualify us.

Condition 51 is a non-issue for 99% of legitimate couples. Of course there are always a few cases where it causes anxiety for a legit couple - like if the sponsor has a lot of extended travel because of his work or if the applicant has to go back to their home country for an extended period of time because of personal issue (parent is very ill, etc). But really, Condition 51 came about to protect jilted sponsors and give them an avenue to report a relationship breakdown and get off the hook of the mandatory 3 year financial commitment (by getting the person's PR revoked). That is what CIC really focuses on and any legit couple, even if they are apart for a long period, will not have much of an issue.

 

[Luna21]

A person that is married, or that has a Common-law partner already MUST include (or at least declare) their spouse/partner in their own PR application. If they fail to do so, they can NEVER sponsor that person. So...this is already in place.

I'm still with those that think he has no idea what he's talking about.

Not always, I'm a landed immigrant, at that moment I wasn't married nor in common-law. I came here and soon after returned to my home country for a couple of months. One year later I got married and now I'm sponsoring my husband. This happens because skilled worker applications take so many years that of course you have a bunch of single people that usually meet some one along the way and thinks get complicated lol. Anyway I dont believe he was talking about that... I dont care about condition 51 either, I wouldnt mind like a pilot program someone said to issue TRV to spouses :''''''(

 

[Ponga]

Not always, I'm a landed immigrant, at that moment I wasn't married nor in common-law. I came here and soon after returned to my home country for a couple of months. One year later I got married and now I'm sponsoring my husband. This happens because skilled worker applications take so many years that of course you have a bunch of single people that usually meet some one along the way and thinks get complicated lol. Anyway I dont believe he was talking about that... I dont care about condition 51 either, I wouldnt mind like a pilot program someone said to issue TRV to spouses :''''''(

My post didn't apply to you because, as you indicated, you were not married nor in a Common-Law relationship on the day that you landed.

 

[keesio]

i have a friend that have conditional pr their marriage is legit and for sure not a fraud but somehow there marriage is getting weaker because of the culture of this country the wife wants to do whatever she wants that the husband cant do nothing at all.the husband is the conditional pr and still have 6months if we follow the rule. question is this new rule apply only to the new enter spouse or even to old?..

it is highly likely that any rule change would not apply to people who already got PR with condition 51 - meaning that the conditional pr would still apply to them. Regardless, in your case since there is only 6 months left, it won't matter because any rule change would come into effect long after that

 

[MissFrowz]

I have condition 51 and my spouse travels often for work. He's typically away for 6 months out of the year and can be away for up to 2 months at a time. When I landed back in 2015, the officer said it was okay that he's away, so long as we maintain our marriage, i.e. remain in a marriage-like relationship (joint bank accounts, the majority of his clothing is at our apartment, he continues to pay the bills at home, etc).

I also believe that that condition 51 should stay to protect sponsors, but it's a bit challenging for people who have careers that require extensive travel. For example, I can't accept a job that requires 4 months of travel to the work site as I would technically be violating condition 51. And I often wonder if the officer who told us that my husband being away for so long is okay was really correct, or if we're still violating condition 51. Either way, I'm not too worried because if CIC were to investigate our marriage, they would see that we are indeed in a genuine relationship, but my husband just can't be home all the time.

 

[flx2015]

Since you keep talking about Islamabad/Pakistan specifically, I will assume that is where your wife's application was process in? You do realized that Pakistan has one of the highest system of fraud thus explained the long processing time at the VO office there.

the posted time for pakistan is currently at 27 months. i'm not sure how damaging that wait will be to my marriage, but that's fine because the statistics say my wife is likely to be a fraudster anyway. it's fine because the f***ing statistics say the CIC is justified in making her suffer. the next time she cries on the phone, i'll tell her to shut up because it's her fault for not taking the initiative to stop fraud in her country.

or not. i'm giving the CIC about 12 months to process. if they take longer than that, i'll throw my canadian passport in the trash and move to the middle east with my wife. dubai sounds lovely. my wife likes it more than canada and my dad has a business there. we'll probably move there.

 

[screech339]

the posted time for pakistan is currently at 27 months. i'm not sure how damaging that wait will be to my marriage, but that's fine because the statistics say my wife is likely to be a fraudster anyway. it's fine because the f***ing statistics say the CIC is justified in making her suffer. the next time she cries on the phone, i'll tell her to shut up because it's her fault for not taking the initiative to stop fraud in her country.

or not. i'm giving the CIC about 12 months to process. if they take longer than that, i'll throw my canadian passport in the trash and move to the middle east with my wife. dubai sounds lovely. my wife likes it more than canada and my dad has a business there. we'll probably move there.

I am sorry that you have to endure such a long wait. It is unfair that pakistan has one of the longest wait. It is what it is.

Statistics also shows that highest tickets / accident claims in car claims in Brampton as well. So car insurance for people living in Brampton is one of the highest in Canada (so serious that it was an election issue). Does this mean we ought to tell car insurance to ignore statistics? Does this mean everyone in Brampton are speeders or poor drivers? No. Unfortunately those who abide by the rules of the roads pay the price for being among the speeders and poor drivers. In fact, I happen to know a few people who moved out of Brampton to save money on car insurance.

 

[flx2015]

I am sorry that you have to endure such a long wait. It is unfair that pakistan has one of the longest wait. It is what it is.

Statistics also shows that highest tickets / accident claims in car claims in Brampton as well. So car insurance for people living in Brampton is one of the highest in Canada (so serious that it was an election issue). Does this mean we ought to tell car insurance to ignore statistics? Does this mean everyone in Brampton are speeders or poor drivers? No. Unfortunately those who abide by the rules of the roads pay the price for being among the speeders and poor drivers. In fact, I happen to know a few people who moved out of Brampton to save money on car insurance.

i'm sorry that you think it's ok to compare auto insurance with love and marriage.

anyway... i was talking to my wife an hour ago and she's now fallen in love with the idea of us moving to dubai. i don't think she'd even want to come to canada if it wasn't for my being here, LOL. it'll be tough to leave my career behind, but i'll do it for her. besides, working for my dad shouldn't be too bad. i guess i'll give CIC until fall 2016 to process (that's 9 months from start to finish).

 

[Ponga]

Not really a fair comparison, screech339.

 

[mikeymyke]

It's nice to see that your wife isn't one of those people who are "Canada or bust" type. That shows she's not marrying you to come here.

But again, you can't fault CIC for the long processing times, you have to fault the country and the bad apples from there. Just a couple years ago, Pakistan and Singapore VO had two of the longest processing times in the world, something like 30 and 32 months respectively. When I saw how long my wife had to potentially wait to come here, I was in shock, but I knew that it was Vietnam's fault for their shoddy paperwork and record keeping, as well as those bad Vietnamese applicants that like to commit marriage fraud. I never faulted CIC, and even if I did, not like it's going to help our cause. So instead I just tried to submit the best possible application I could, and my wife got PR visa in 6 months as opposed to 30.

 

[flx2015]

It's nice to see that your wife isn't one of those people who are "Canada or bust" type. That shows she's not marrying you to come here.

But again, you can't fault CIC for the long processing times, you have to fault the country and the bad apples from there. Just a couple years ago, Pakistan and Singapore VO had two of the longest processing times in the world, something like 30 and 32 months respectively. When I saw how long my wife had to potentially wait to come here, I was in shock, but I knew that it was Vietnam's fault for their shoddy paperwork and record keeping, as well as those bad Vietnamese applicants that like to commit marriage fraud. I never faulted CIC, and even if I did, not like it's going to help our cause. So instead I just tried to submit the best possible application I could, and my wife got PR visa in 6 months as opposed to 30.

i wish i had the same luck as you. i spent a lot of time perfecting my application and organizing it as best i as could, hoping that it would result in faster processing. unfortunately it didn't really play out that way; it has been 6 months since i submitted my application, and London VO hasn't even looked at it yet. i try to make sense of things by scouring over the spreadsheets but there is no pattern, no trend.

 

[mikeymyke]

i wish i had the same luck as you. i spent a lot of time perfecting my application and organizing it as best i as could, hoping that it would result in faster processing. unfortunately it didn't really play out that way; it has been 6 months since i submitted my application, and London VO hasn't even looked at it yet. i try to make sense of things by scouring over the spreadsheets but there is no pattern, no trend.

Honestly you shouldn't worry so much. I can't speak as to what is going on over at the London VO, but worrying isn't going to make things better. Have you tried applying TRV for your wife?

 

[flx2015]

Honestly you shouldn't worry so much. I can't speak as to what is going on over at the London VO, but worrying isn't going to make things better. Have you tried applying TRV for your wife?

i've been thinking about it, but everyone keeps discouraging me as my wife doesn't have enough ties to her country apart from family and friends. she has never traveled anywhere before either, so that makes it even more difficult for me to prove to CIC that she won't overstay her visa. i don't know what kind of supporting evidence i should include for her TRV.