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Dear new citizens: when someone overseas ask you where you're from, do you say Canada or your old country?

zoojoo

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I’ve been asked the good old “Where are you from?” question several times, because it’s obvious I was not born in Canada due to my accent. And this is something that will never change. I think the best answer is to say that you’re a dual citizen (if applicable) or that you’re Canadian but were born in xy country (or continent if you prefer not to disclose the specific country).
You can say you are from your X home country but settled in Canada. They are not VISA officer; When VISA officer or Government entity ask you " where are you from' than you answer officially as per your passport.

You should not give any F, to other people. You are not trying to proof them who you are, neither you should look for validation. I would also recommend a Therapy. Reason we people from traditional countries are grown with hooked up mindset and connection and feeling of group provides validation to our feelings.
Thank god I did some research work & learned how we human survive and seek validations. It helps to check my own feeling.

Why do not you think and enjoy this country and forget about what people are thinking unless they would pay you money for your answers
 

dpenabill

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Last night cyberpunk author William Gibson posted he had never before been delighted by the outcome of a hockey game. His sentiments no secret.

Last night, after all the tit-for-tat and others-anthem-booing, gloves off sparring, and plenty of remarkable athletic skill displayed, tied two-two on the ice, the championship on the line, the game (hockey, which for many Canadians the only game there is, even though not so for many other Canadians) had gone into sudden death overtime when a perfect pass from Mitch Marner gave Connor McDavid the opportunity to make a perfect shot guiding the puck (what the puck) into the upper right corner of the net. Game over. Oh Canada!

So Team Canada prevailed in the 4 nations face off, that final shot the puck deflating the raucous chants of "U S A" which had been rattling the TD Garden arena rafters in Boston.

I mention this because William Gibson is most often referred to online, on the "internet," as an "American-Canadian author" (his novel Count Zero my favourite), and sometimes just "American author," even though British Columbia has been his home for more than half a century, having left, one might say having fled the U.S., when quite young. And even though, again, his sentiments are no secret.

I do not know, however, how Gibson answers questions about where he is from.

I do know and understand that not all naturalized Canadians harbour the same sentiments about the country they left to emigrate to Canada. Homeland pride is common. But, for others, so are feelings of disdain or even animosity toward the country they left, which for many is the country they escaped, the country from which they fled.

I get and respect both perspectives.

I am not sure, but I suspect that there are more naturalized Canadians or otherwise dual-citizen Canadians, who can carry a U.S. passport, than those who have come here from any other country. I know quite few of them. Those who are more or less Viet-War era expats (remember, I am old, so my acquaintances tend to be old as well) tend to be emphatically Canadian, many embarrassed they are also Americans (a sentiment I fully get and very much sympathize with). But I know at least a couple, younger than me by at least a generation or two, who rather emphatically think of themselves as Americans who have acquired an additional citizenship. Probably easy to guess who I embrace as friends, who as acquaintances. (Clue: a distaste, if not scorn, for our neighbours, who lately are becoming not-so-neighbourly neighbours, is probably no secret.)

Like so many questions presented in this forum, there is no one rule fits all.

But for now Canadian hockey rules and it feels good to waive the Canadian flag. And I am very happy to say I am a Canadian . . . no matter where I am from.
 

wizardofwest90210

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I can guarantee that when someone asks, Canadian or otherwise, where you are from, they mean where you are ethnically from. So basically where you are "from-from" hahaha. So sadly, for e.g., even if you were born in London, they will ask where your parents are from, if you look ethnically very brown. The lucky ones are ethnically ambiguous and they get away with a lot. : D As a 3rd culture kid, I always struggled with it...do i say my birth country, my parent's country (which is what strangers expect you to answer to) or my naturalized country. These days, i only answer with what they want to hear and most often i can tell what they want to hear, and hence my answer sadly shifts.
 

dreamingmigrant

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I can guarantee that when someone asks, Canadian or otherwise, where you are from, they mean where you are ethnically from. So basically where you are "from-from" hahaha. So sadly, for e.g., even if you were born in London, they will ask where your parents are from, if you look ethnically very brown. The lucky ones are ethnically ambiguous and they get away with a lot. : D As a 3rd culture kid, I always struggled with it...do i say my birth country, my parent's country (which is what strangers expect you to answer to) or my naturalized country. These days, i only answer with what they want to hear and most often i can tell what they want to hear, and hence my answer sadly shifts.
The only place where it doesn't happen (at least not very often) is the US. They don't really care lol.
 

dpenabill

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At the risk of approaching this conversation as if the question is sincere, serious even, which might be a stretch . . .

. . . a long, editorial read . . .

. . . lingering a bit in the self-identity aspect even if, as it now appears, that was a red herring.

I can guarantee that when someone asks, Canadian or otherwise, where you are from, they mean where you are ethnically from. So basically where you are "from-from" hahaha. So sadly, for e.g., even if you were born in London, they will ask where your parents are from, if you look ethnically very brown. The lucky ones are ethnically ambiguous and they get away with a lot. : D As a 3rd culture kid, I always struggled with it...do i say my birth country, my parent's country (which is what strangers expect you to answer to) or my naturalized country. These days, i only answer with what they want to hear and most often i can tell what they want to hear, and hence my answer sadly shifts.
With apologies for being rather sensitive about consistency, about logic and reason, being a bit overly picky no doubt . . .
. . . but to be clear, and to be clear with emphasis, with no apology for rejecting the prejudgment of people:


So, you can "guarantee that when someone asks, Canadian or otherwise, where you are from, they mean where you are ethnically from," when I and other forum members (nearly if not all of whom you have never met) are asked (or doing the asking) . . . BUT in regards to being asked YOURSELF, you can only say that "most often i can tell what they want to hear."

"Guarantee" is a big word. Suggests something rather close to certainty, if not absolute certainty. Frankly that, and some of the rest, signals prejudgment. Let's try to get past that.

I do not know you and in particular I do not know your intent. I doubt you meant to declare such profound bias as the words indicate. I hope you are not offended by my pointing out that such certainty, as expressed about the motives of people you have never met, is deeply prejudiced . . . which again I doubt was your intent since clearly you recognize less certainty in your own real life interactions, in which your answer "shifts," which in turn is an acknowledgement that what underlies such questions will vary (making it logically impossible to truly guarantee what some unknown person in an unknown setting means).

In particular I understand that in a conversation in which YOU are taking part, you can "most often" discern the meaning of the particular question being asked. Makes sense. Particularly if you are, yourself, socially aware and not prejudiced, sufficiently perceptive to read people for who they are and how they behave rather than prejudging them based on their nationality or ethnicity, let alone their skin tone. Probably makes a difference if the person asking is a border official holding your passport in their hand (who might be testing to see whether the traveler's answer is consistent with information in the passport -- remember that they can and often will ask questions for which they already know the answer), or it is a fat and somewhat lonely old man trying to make friendly conversation while standing in a long line next to you at the grocery store (pray we don't sit next to you on the bus -- only some of us are sufficiently socially perceptive and considerate enough to recognize when it's better to not pursue conversation).

Indeed, context and non-textual clues, including the tone and inflection in which the question is asked, can signal a lot that helps us understand what is actually meant (including reading between the lines, so to say) . . . but only if we can rise above our own biases sufficiently to abate our prejudices (acknowledging how difficult this can be and recognizing the vast majority of us can only hope to largely reduce the extent to which we harbour prejudices, recognizing the near impossibility of totally eliminating them).

In contrast, one must be highly skeptical that you can be so sure what someone means in scenarios in which you have virtually no information about who is asking, what the precise question is, who is being asked, or in what setting or context the question is asked. At least not without prejudging.

Leading to the OP query itself:
If you travel overseas and people there ask you where you're from, will you say Canada or the name of your old country.
I failed, initially, to frame my thoughts about this in terms of the question being asked overseas.

And it appears I am not alone in this regard; much of what has been said in this thread seems oriented as much to being asked such a question here in Canada as it is about being asked somewhere overseas (that is, somewhere other than in the U.S. or here).

Where the question is asked, that is the particular location overseas, probably makes a big difference. Along with other context. I do not have enough worldly experience to distinguish whether "from where" questions are more common in Madrid or Mombasa, Munich or Mumbai, Moscow or Miami, but I can readily recognize that the odds are not the same that this or that particular person is likely to be asked that question in Dublin or Glasgow, say, compared to Tokyo or Mogadishu, while for a different person the odds could be the opposite in those respective locations. That is, the place makes a difference, as does who is being asked, as well as who is asking.

Has anyone mentioned there is no one rule that fits all? Oh, yeah, I did.

Meanwhile . . . was the query really about self-identity? about dealing with an identity crisis?
. . . I am already having a bit of an identity crisis . . .
Once I better grasped the overseas aspect of the query, I wondered why the OP's query was specifically about being asked such a question when "overseas" (that is, not in the U.S. or Canada) while the context for the question was in reference to "already having a bit of an identity crisis."

The latter suggests a query more about how to personally answer a where-are-you-from question, based on one's own sense of identity and place in the world. If the query is about one's own identity, that is a very different subject, and where the question is asked (in what country) not particularly relevant.

So I initially, apparently, misunderstood the query. My previous post, after all, was oriented to the latter, about self-identity, noting for example the dual citizens I know who carry a U.S. passport, some of whom will emphatically say they are Canadian (as in from Canada), while some very much see themselves as Americans with dual-citizenship in Canada. While the dichotomy is not so stark, and I personally know fewer, I have seen similar differences among dual citizens who can carry a British passport. Among others.

Giving more attention to the overseas setting for the question, I should have concluded my previous post:
"I am very happy to say I am a Canadian . . . no matter where I am from . . . no matter where I am asked."​

That said, I fully understand and respect those who self-identify otherwise, those who identify with the country or region they consider their homeland . . . noting that some people I know self-identify with their parent's homeland even though they themselves were born in Canada. Indeed, I have known quite a few Canadians (and Americans as well) who self-identify as "Italians" even though they are the third or fourth generation born in Canada (or the U.S.), who will usually, typically, dodge the direct question (without being at all offended) if asked where they are "from," by saying something like they are Italians who were born in Canada. I have known a few "Irish" likewise, proud to be Irish even if their parents and grandparents were all born this side of the Atlantic.

In contrast, when I was living in the States (sadly I did and for far too long, plenty PTSD to show for it) I became friends with a guy born and raised in Vietnam, imprisoned there for a time; he was running a Chinese-American restaurant I frequented for lunch and his eldest daughter was in the same class as my daughter, and he was very emphatically proud to be an American. I may have asked him, at some point, where he was from, curious as to what city or part of Vietnam he lived in during the war. Getting to know one another. Reminds me of conversations I heard while attending a youth sporting event in a Brampton community centre, one person from the same country asking another person born in that country where they were "from," curious not about which country but rather about which part of the country they were from; another asking a young person where their parents were from, again curious not about which country but which part of the country (not Canada).

Leading to real questions, real life . . .
 
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dpenabill

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The only place where it doesn't happen (at least not very often) is the US. They don't really care lol.
Real Questions . . . Real Life . . .

I have been around a while, a long while (long enough to be leaning toward the exit without remorse, almost looking forward to it given the way things seem to be going), in quite a few different locales and cultural settings. Only rarely, absent a formal transaction (border control questioning for example) or socially appropriate context (like those in a Brampton community centre I referenced above), have I heard anyone out-and-out bluntly ask anyone else "where you from?" Outside of official interactions, or in the context of casual conversation and friendly curiosity (people getting to know one another), that would be rather rude. How to handle being confronted with rudeness is a far, far bigger issue than how a naturalized citizen should answer where-from questions . . . and subject to far bigger considerations than self-identity. Anyone who has traveled internationally much, or turned down what might be considered the "wrong street" in South Chicago or South Central Los Angeles, for example, or was out alone late at night on May Street in Thunder Bay, Ontario, not to mention the side streets of Juarez, Mexico any time of day, knows how much difference it makes who is confronting whom and why and whether the confrontational rudeness derives from mere prejudice or cultural insensitivity, or both, or is rooted in real and potentially dangerous hostility.

Not all rude questions are created equal.

Even in a formal context, dealing with officials, how to best respond when the question itself is rude, let alone confrontational, probably has little to do with self-identity. I recall, in particular, during one of my very few forays into the American south, a region I would even now continue to avoid (I have my own prejudices to deal with, ranging from well entrenched bias against immigration consultants (and, sorry to say, something of a non-sequitur, Canadian wines), to more salient biases about the American south and those from the American south, even though some of my friends, a good friend even, have been from the American south), when in a small city near the Tennessee-Georgia border I was confronted by a police officer demanding, more barking than asking, to know where I was from. I felt compelled, shall we say, to be exceedingly polite in answering that officer, carefully precise (I value not just my freedom but my physical safety as well). No, it is not true that all is well that end's well. That ended well enough but make no mistake that does not come close to deserving an all is well judgment (noting I recognize that many others have endured far, far worse than I -- I do not pretend to know the full brunt of otherness animosity and discrimination).

On the other hand, during some of my travels in Europe I recall encountering more than a few Americans being quick to say, without even being asked, they were "from Canada," some of them wearing this or that insignia distinctly displayed in a way as to suggest they were Canadian, mostly because they believed that would help keep them from being seen and treated as another annoying American. Do not recall any Canadians claiming to be Americans. That said, plenty of times I saw whole busloads of Americans being loudly American, no reservations about being American, and I recall (this was quite awhile ago) one group in particular aghast, bitterly complaining that the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam did not have more English speaking guides, forcing them to wait a half hour if they wanted a tour with a guide speaking English (noting that, at least back then, the museum also offered some tours in French, and some in German, as well as Dutch). No need to ask them where they were from.

The thing is, whether in the context of answering health history questions in a doctor's office or responding to a border officer's questions at a Port-of-Entry, or dealing with a culturally insensitive and overly intrusive stranger (some more friendly and well-meaning than others, some not so well-meaning), or in a situation dealing with overtly aggressive discrimination or outright bigotry (yeah that happens far too much), in real life there are all sorts of where-are-you-from questions, most not at all offensive let alone nefarious, and even for any one individual there is no one answer that fits most let alone all of them.

So, just some examples among many more, depending on who is asking and the context, "where are you from?" or a comparable question can mean:
-- where were you born?​
-- where did you grow up?​
-- where have you lived most of your life?​
-- where were you living before coming here?​
-- where is your home?​
-- where do you call home?​
-- what nationality are you?​

Among others.

And as some have pointed out, the question might even be more about where one's parents are from.

By the way, for anyone traveling south with a dual U.S.-Canadian citizen, remind them to tell the U.S. border official that they are a U.S. citizen, not a dual citizen, not "U.S. and Canadian," to say only that they are a U.S. citizen . . . that is if you do not want to wait while they are sent to Secondary where, no lol, they care a whole lot about where you are from and show no reservations in making an issue of it. But, OK, I have not spent much time in the States for many years now, so I cannot directly contest the claim, based on personal experience, that these days the U.S. is the "only place where it doesn't happen (at least not very often) . . . They don't really care a lot." But frankly I am not buying that. Not by a long shot. Just consider who the Americans recently, very recently elected to be President (I think it was just late last month he took office), and consider their attitudes toward immigrants and how much difference it makes to them where the immigrants are from (noting that the American President is married to an immigrant who, most assuredly, is not on the mass deportations list).

Bringing this back around to . . . well, I don't often side with @steaky but I see the point:
. . . I am already having a bit of an identity crisis . . .
What identity crisis?