FSW WORLDWIDE

[EscoBlades]

What about loads of people who moved to US and UK in the 2000's and some part of 2010's and permanently settled there? Was Canada also allowing the same thing to happen during that time? Maybe if they did, then Canada wouldn't have to target "record" levels of immigration now when moving permanently to any other western country is pretty much impossible through study or work visas.

Obviously people moved to Canada during that time, but not at the levels required to offset the ageing of the population they already had. Hence the issue they are facing right now. It isn’t just about population numbers, it is about ensuring that the rising numbers don’t end up too old to work and contribute economically.

Alternatively, they could make Canadians just have more babies, which clearly isn’t happening.

 

[seadrag0n]

Obviously people moved to Canada during that time, but not at the levels required to offset the ageing of the population they already had. Hence the issue they are facing right now. It isn’t just about population numbers, it is about ensuring that the rising numbers don’t end up too old to work and contribute economically.

This is exactly my point, they didn't and now they have to scramble whichever way possible to increase immigration when the exact opposite is happening in other countries.

Alternatively, they could make Canadians just have more babies, which clearly isn’t happening.

Unless the cost of living goes down dramatically which is only going up and up, this is not happening.

 

[Alysson]

It feels a lot like Canada is just taking advantage of a gap in immigration from other countries. If UK and US were more open to immigration, I doubt Canada would get much immigrants. A large part of canadian immigration come from India and it was probably from 2010+ that they started to notice US system is shit. Immigration started becoming much more unfavorable for the US during that time in general, as US citizens became more openly bigoted.

 

[GandiBaat]

Unless the cost of living goes down dramatically which is only going up and up, this is not happening.

Its not just that. West is individualistic. Women do not want to enter in a relationship that leads to babies till late into 20s. Then they enter in long term relationship, may be marriage. This leads to first trying for babies in early to mid 30s. That means much harder to conceive.

 

[seadrag0n]

Its not just that. West is individualistic. Women do not want to enter in a relationship that leads to babies till late into 20s. Then they enter in long term relationship, may be marriage. This leads to first trying for babies in early to mid 30s. That means much harder to conceive.

Nobody can force people to have children but cost of living is something that can be addressed.

 

[Windsor37]

At least countries like US and UK are not in such desperate need of immigrants that they have to give out permanent residence to people who have never set foot in their countries but Canada is a special case, pretty sure they were just sitting on their ass until the population problem became too big.

The US probably won't be that desparate, but the UK is, they're just too pro-Brexit to admit it.

By the way the FSW is not a Canada original idea, the first one who gave out PR to people who has never set foot in their country in a points based system was New Zealand, which Australia copied, which Canada copied and the UK is trying to copy since January this year after Brexit, though I feel it was implemented poorly.

NZ and Australia was still holding draws before the pandemic, but the cut-off has been so high in Australia that you need a job offer to make it to the cut. Not sure if those two countries started draws now though.

 

[GandiBaat]

Nobody can force people to have children but cost of living is something that can be addressed.

There is not force (usually). There are pre-dispositions. Individualistic people prioritize them self a bit more. Collective pay a lot more attention to their collective and their relationship with their collective. Many (though not all) collective societies put a premium on children as a part of family. Its not a direct force per-say, more like an influence or peer pressure.

Individualistic societies will make it totally an individual decision. A personal matter totally. It is not unheard of in collective societies to group discussion or group talk about who is having kids and who is not and why. Such a discussion will not be considered correct in individualistic societies and will be considered obnoxious.

BTW, peer pressure is very much a thing in individualstic societies too. Though it is directed on totally different things. Career aspiration is one such example.

Oh, not having kids is a genie that is now out of the bottle, its not going to go back. Even in places with really really good government support for child care and socialized living facilities, its not going to happen or happening. The reason is simple. No one dislikes more money.

 

[seadrag0n]

The US probably won't be that desparate, but the UK is, they're just too pro-Brexit to admit it.

By the way the FSW is not a Canada original idea, the first one who gave out PR to people who has never set foot in their country in a points based system was New Zealand, which Australia copied, which Canada copied and the UK is trying to copy since January this year after Brexit, though I feel it was implemented poorly.

NZ and Australia was still holding draws before the pandemic, but the cut-off has been so high in Australia that you need a job offer to make it to the cut. Not sure if those two countries started draws now though.

New Zealand decided to give PR to 165000 temporary residents this year:

https://7news.com.au/news/immigration/nz-creates-residency-pathway-for-165000-c-4107076

 

[ImpatientAlligator]

The primary reason why Canada is enticing to outlanders is the Master's+CLB10/CLB9 direct pathway to PR. If that goes away or becomes too erratic or infrequent, other countries would seem like better bets.

If you have to first study there or spend some time on a work visa, it's not all that different from UK or Europe or Australia. USA is a different story though and depends on where you were born. If Indian-born or Chinese-born, it's pretty much out of reach unless you marry an American or move there as a manager.

 

[Windsor37]

New Zealand decided to give PR to 165000 temporary residents this year:

https://7news.com.au/news/immigration/nz-creates-residency-pathway-for-165000-c-4107076

Those are not draws, in the article it mentioned:

"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's government shut off expressions of interest from skilled migrants for residency in March last year, when COVID-19 first arrived in New Zealand."

Similar with what Canada has been doing, they cut-off the FSW (outland to direct PR draws) and focused on inland applications. This is the true FSW equivalent I was talking about:

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/skilled-migrant-category-resident-visa

The last draw I can find was March 18 2020 with a cut-off score of 160:

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/smc-fortnightly-selection/fact-sheet-2020-03-18.pdf

There were 115 applicants off-shore applicants, 68 of which doesn't have a job offer. If you're wondering why the number is quite low compared to Canada, it's because the max that an outsider can get is 165. It requires the following: <35y/o, MS or Ph.D. degree, 10+yrs work experience, must be working in one of the categories deemed as "critical" mostly from STEM, and Health sectors, plus perfect English.

 

[RSub]

you said ,nov 22 is the new mandate isnt it,hope that will be favourable for FSW-O and they keep their word.

Do ministers follow what’s in the mandate letter ?

 

[Alysson]

Do ministers follow what’s in the mandate letter ?

The mandate letter is basically what the prime minister wants, so most likely. The decision to offer pathway to tr, and to follow the minister of health in regards to border entry was in the jan/2021 supplemental mandate letter.

 

[EscoBlades]

Do ministers follow what’s in the mandate letter ?

It is a mandate, so most often they do. Exceptional circumstances (like s global pandemic) can cause deviations, but usually an additional mandate will be issued to address that, where necessary.

 

[Ar12345]

Do ministers follow what’s in the mandate letter ?

They’re ideally supposed to. Mandate letter is public and it will have political consequences for both the PM/party and the minister if they don’t get the requirements done. If they do it right, they get a better cabinet position and raise up the party. That’s what mendicino was focused on when he tried to fill the numbers through 2020 focusing on just inland CEC people. Politically, that got his numbers in order and he reaped the reward with a more influential cabinet position

 

[dankboi]