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Bashing the government for "not thinking of them or their feelings", saying that the authorities owe you anything, that's simply very entitled and naive thinking. No one asked anyone to sell their house before having an approved application. No one asked anyone to make any compromise on any opportunities. The smart thing to do was always to just apply and carry on with your life as usual.
I'm frustrated too, I'm also waiting for them to resume processing my application. If people are so sick and tired of them, why don't they cancel their applications and move somewhere else? They don't because there are no other options. Like it or not, Canada's system is still the fastest and fairest system. People need to be respectful, calling authorities names and generally being disrespectful is in poor taste and childish. Raise your voices respectfully, demand answers because we do deserve them, we paid for a service and it's our right to be updated on the progress or way forward, but please do it respectfully.
CSIS won't monitor your posts online dude, your app won't get a boost for sucking up to liars online. I can't think of any other reason why someone would get b-hurt over some foreign politicians getting called liars.
 

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Bashing the government for "not thinking of them or their feelings", saying that the authorities owe you anything, that's simply very entitled and naive thinking. No one asked anyone to sell their house before having an approved application. No one asked anyone to make any compromise on any opportunities. The smart thing to do was always to just apply and carry on with your life as usual.
I'm frustrated too, I'm also waiting for them to resume processing my application. If people are so sick and tired of them, why don't they cancel their applications and move somewhere else? They don't because there are no other options. Like it or not, Canada's system is still the fastest and fairest system. People need to be respectful, calling authorities names and generally being disrespectful is in poor taste and childish. Raise your voices respectfully, demand answers because we do deserve them, we paid for a service and it's our right to be updated on the progress or way forward, but please do it respectfully.
Respect is reciprocal though. If one expects it they have to give it. If IRCC treated outlanders with a little more consideration and respect they probably won’t be getting the online bashing. I really can’t blame people for voicing out their pains
 
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CSIS won't monitor your posts online dude, your app won't get a boost for sucking up to liars online. I can't think of any other reason why someone would get b-hurt over some foreign politicians getting called liars.
Isn't that all politicians though? I'm just saying everyone is in it for their own benefit. You and I want to move there not to help the country, we want to move there because it's in our interests. Big shock that the government is also trying to act in their interest. Anyway, my basic point was that since we're all high scoring FSWs who are presumably well educated and all, it won't hurt if we express our grievances in a little more educated and respectful manner.
 

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I didn't have to put any money in any Canadian bank to get my study permit; all my money was in my bank in my country. In fact, I hadn't had a Canadian bank account until I landed. Most of the assistantship money you get paid by your supervisor comes from NSERC or other Canadian sources.

...ah, I just figured the case you're talking about. Well... truth be told, coming to Canada by paying for a school with your own money without getting an assistantship is a dead investment. Much better options for that in several other countries. CEC is good if you got admitted to a program by a prof in that school, otherwise it's dead investment while there's FSW.

Assistantship + 20hr/week job is usually enough. Never heard of anyone needing more money. I don't know what we're discussing here but if you're stressed about FSW being retired, then don't, it's not going anywhere. Nobody will pay 100k CAD to be unemployed in a far-away country like Canada while there are far better education options in Europe. Look at my old posts, Germany beats Canada in study pathways. UK comes close.

Hmm this is very strange, I guess study permit rules are different based on country of residence.

When I applied from India for my study permit, I along with everyone else had to pay for GIC $10k which had to be deposited in Scotiabank for a minimum period of 1 year. This money was in Canadian Bank for Canada to use as per their wishes and I had no access to this money. And this was on top of the $15k I had paid for student fees. Moreover, I was allowed to work only 20 hours part-time on study permit out of which I could work only two 8hour shifts (total 16 hours) and it wasn't enough money to sustain myself so I, like other Indian students, had to bring in some more money from my home country.

There aren't really any other source of paying for education (for Indians who make up a majority of students and outland candidates) other than their own pocket. At least I am not aware of any. It sure is a dead investment but that's the price of immigration.

I'm not stressed about FSW being retired but I am pissed at the government's lack of transparency and shitty policies for allowing outland students but not allowing outland PR applicants.

My point was that students are allowed because they bring in a lot of money. FSW outlands are not allowed because they don't bring anything other than high skills, which is pretty useless in itself for Canada.
 
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Isn't that all politicians though? I'm just saying everyone is in it for their own benefit. You and I want to move there not to help the country, we want to move there because it's in our interests. Big shock that the government is also trying to act in their interest. Anyway, my basic point was that since we're all high scoring FSWs who are presumably well educated and all, it won't hurt if we express our grievances in a little more educated and respectful manner.
Calling a liar a liar is not disrespect though.
 
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My point was that students are allowed because they bring in a lot of money. FSW outlands are not allowed because they don't bring anything other than high skills, which is pretty useless in itself for Canada.
I disagree. If the government really believed that they would have built a different system. We haven't designed the FSW stream, they have. Students are allowed because it's a business, entire schools would collapse if they didn't allow students.
 

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Lmao I'm dying at the fact that he actually shared it on his Twitter when most of his followers are probably furious outlanders
Someone that doesn't give a freaking hoot about our feelings lol. He's meeting his targets and that's the yardstick with which his office would be judged. He is all about the numbers.
 

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True. His statement in the tweet was targeted towards Canadian citizens. As you said they're justifying their recent moves for the upcoming election. Not sure how well aware Canadians are of the fact that the government has accepted thousands of old candidates who will be a hunch on the back of the country in about 10 years.
Most of them - as well as most landed immigrants - don't care about categories. Most landed immigrants are also too busy adjusting to changes to be monitoring who gets PR and how. The numbers are all that matter and he is getting those albeit with half-baked/half-qualified candidates. The effect of whatever they do isn't going to show until maybe 10years. This is why I think they will continue to need immigrants for the next 20-30years.
 

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I disagree. If the government really believed that they would have built a different system. We haven't designed the FSW stream, they have. Students are allowed because it's a business, entire schools would collapse if they didn't allow students.
Hmm this is very strange. I may have my facts wrong and I would like to argue this point as long as we keep it a healthy discussion.

Scenario 1 : International Outland Student

- Pay $15-$25k or whatever international fees
- Mandatory deposit $10k as GIC in Canadian bank on fixed deposit
- Not allowed to work past 20 hours so they don't really have any Canadian source of income. Bring in more money from home country when required.

Scenario 2 : FSW Outland Permanent Resident

- No need to pay any fees. Just keep POF handy in your own country's bank account, in case you need that money.
- No mandatory requirements to make any fixed deposits in Canadian Bank
- Allowed to earn money "within" Canada and work without limits. No need to spend your own money on housing etc. Just do a soft-landing, find a Canadian job and spend money as per your income.

So in the end who is bringing more money? FSW-Outlands or Outland students?
 
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Isn't that all politicians though? I'm just saying everyone is in it for their own benefit. You and I want to move there not to help the country, we want to move there because it's in our interests. Big shock that the government is also trying to act in their interest. Anyway, my basic point was that since we're all high scoring FSWs who are presumably well educated and all, it won't hurt if we express our grievances in a little more educated and respectful manner.
A well-educated person is not necessarily a humble one. If you're being treated like crap, if a government you're building a relationship with based on mutual promise - skills, talents, short, medium, and long-term economic contrition for the right to reside permanently - fails to keep their part of the promise, it is meet and right to raise your voice. It is absolutely appropriate to be straightforward and honest, which are the two traits IRCC is clearly lacking.
You are better, stronger, and more valuable than IRCC and any of their lying clerks who live on money from your fees.

You were born in a presumably developing country with huge income inequalities, but you were able to grow and develop yourself professionally and financially to be able to afford immigration. It's not just about money - some of the FSW applicants might rely on the decades of their family's savings. It's about your skillset, your assertiveness, your honesty, your desire to give the best to your family in generations to come. But if we go back to money - well, you just paid for a few date nights, maybe a new Tesla, a ski trip and a month worth of groceries to some irresponsible individual at IRCC. This is where your hard-earned money went to, and that's it. Sunk cost.

If you're being set aside like a trashcan by IRCC what promised you "express" entry, PR, citizenship in 3 years, etc., you're almost obliged to raise your voice. In part, to warn others who still buy into Canada's welcoming, immigrant-friendly image, and the false word "express" they use in their naming/promotion. Yes, the horrendous immigration system in the US still makes Canada look better, even more so for those trapped in the OPT/H1B realities with all uncertainty, inequality, spousal professional deterioration, one-bread-winner situation, inability to plan lives, and even to live more than 60 miles from the office.

But I personally know people who were able to get employment-based green cards faster than Canadian PR, even though they've applied for EE earlier than they did for a GC. Of course, there are caveats here, i.e. those people were pursuing EB-1, which I and most of us here aren't eligible for, they were not Indian, for whom there's currently no way to get a GC fast. But there's the anecdotal evidence that USCIS can be faster than IRCC for things other than fake green marriages.

Canada overpromised - but failed to deliver on its promise. In the age of social media and empowered customers, let's be vocal about it, let the world hear - and let Mendocino/Trudeau, with all those IRCC clerks, tremble!
 
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Hmm this is very strange. I may have my facts wrong and I would like to argue this point as long as we keep it a healthy discussion.

Scenario 1 : International Outland Student

- Pay $15-$25k or whatever international fees
- Mandatory deposit $10k as GIC in Canadian bank on fixed deposit
- Not allowed to work past 20 hours so they don't really have any Canadian source of income. Bring in more money from home country when required.

Scenario 2 : FSW Outland Permanent Resident

- No need to pay any fees. Just keep POF handy in your own country's bank account, in case you need that money.
- No mandatory requirements to make any fixed deposits in Canadian Bank
- Allowed to earn money "within" Canada and work without limits. No need to spend your own money on housing etc. Just do a soft-landing, find a Canadian job and spend money as per your income.

So in the end who is bringing more money? FSW-Outlands or Outland students?
I'm not looking to argue since it won't help much but where you're making a mistake is you're comparing only two minorities. Not all FSWs take the visa and go back, and not all students come to Canada on a GIC. I haven't seen a single example of either minority you're comparing. Rule of thumb: if you're able to figure out FSW isn't profitable, the government would also have long ago have retired the program. They didn't, so it tells you something.
 
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Indians usually wait for 6 months to year after landing in Canada with PR before applying for any US Visa. We get rejected if we apply just after landing. You need to have at least a Job so it will tie you down to Canada. That's what I have read in this forum. That's the situation with Indians.
My friend got a job before applying too. He got to Canada in December but was already working with VanHack to secure a role since around October. He got the offer in November, moved by first week of December but only resumed the job in January. He applied for the US Visa in March and got it within 5days of application - shortly before the lockdown.

He's into UI/UX so it was relatively easy for him to secure the role from outside Canada but he disclosed to VanHack that he already has PR and only need to land to activate it.
 
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I'm not looking to argue since it won't help much but where you're making a mistake is you're comparing only two minorities. Not all FSWs take the visa and go back, and not all students come to Canada on a GIC. I haven't seen a single example of either minority you're comparing. Rule of thumb: if you're able to figure out FSW isn't profitable, the government would also have long ago have retired the program. They didn't, so it tells you something.
International students make up a majority of outlanders moving to Canada. So does FSW outlands. So I don't know why you are mentioning them both as a minority. Also in this, Indians make up the majority of outlanders.
And I'm telling you, GIC is a mandatory thing for each and every Indian student going to canada. I guess others could confirm this point.

The FSW isn't profitable which is what the government has figured out and they have been cut off without any explanation. What else do you think is the reason for this? The pandemic?
 
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International students make up a majority of outlanders moving to Canada. So does FSW outlands. So I don't know why you are mentioning them both as a minority. Also in this, Indians make up the majority of outlanders.
And I'm telling you, GIC is a mandatory thing for each and every Indian student going to canada. I guess others could confirm this point.

The FSW isn't profitable which is what the government has figured out and they have been cut off without any explanation. What else do you think is the reason for this? The pandemic?
The minorities I meant are the portion of international students who require a GIC (haven't met one), and the portion of FSWs who take the visa and back out (haven't met one either). Seems like you have it all figured out so good for you. With or without GIC, the use POF is there. But since you have it all figured out and know for sure most FSWs spend nothing and get the visa, thanks for enlighting us. So when are you cancelling your app/deleting your EE profile since you know for sure that FSW is long gone?

Hear that guys? FSW is over. It's good we got the news early. Thanks.
 

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The minorities I meant are the portion of international students who require a GIC (haven't met one), and the portion of FSWs who take the visa and back out (haven't met one either). Seems like you have it all figured out so good for you. With or without GIC, the use POF is there. But since you have it all figured out and know for sure most FSWs spend nothing and get the visa, thanks for enlighting us. So when are you cancelling your app/deleting your EE profile since you know for sure that FSW is long gone?

Hear that guys? FSW is over. It's good we got the news early. Thanks.
- The GIC is a mandatory thing, it isn't optional.
- FSWs don't back out, they do a soft landing until they secure a Canadian job.

I am not claiming anything at all. I am trying to make sense of why outland students are allowed in the country while outland FSWs are not allowed? Do you know the reason for this?