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luvtrump

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The conservatives are historically the most hostile to immigration ... Concerning myself, I would rather prefer a blank vote, or at a pinch a ndp vote, rather than giving my voice to these anti-immigrationists ... Citizenship pending because of covid would surely have been more catastrophic under the conservatives ... Maybe they would have simply canceled and then returned our candidacies ...

More realistically, it should be noted that the Liberals are currently leading the polls, and Trudeau is in a hurry to call an election ... And the Liberals have a good chance of winning the elections by a majority this time ...
I would say NDP or Green party but say No to liberals and conservatives.
 

CaBeaver

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Conservatives might be reserved at some extent regarding immigration, BUT they would not not keep stuffing the problems if they can’t handle it in federal departments including immigration unlike liberals where everything piles up no matter what including cabinet ministers and prime ministers scams. And one thing for sure they will try to prevent country from being radically going downhill.
Conservatives will make things harder for immigrants. They are generally not pro-immigration. Intent to stay in Canada after citizenship and 4 years out of 6 requirements were put in place by the conservative government I believe. If a conservative government comes, I doubt our applications would either take longer, or be subjected to tougher requirements/processing criteria. As they say: be careful what you are wishing for :)
 

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Well, conservatives might get “tougher”on immigration, but they also invest a lot more in immigrant integration services, language training and other critical elements for newcomers to succeed in this country unlike liberals, who keep bringing in immigrants en masse without addressing labour market structural issues, racism, housing issues, and acceptance of foreign credentials by Canadian employers. Liberals’ immigration policies are double standard in my opinion as there is only so many new immigrants this small economy can take on a yearly basis. Furthermore, if conservatives jump to power, it will take some time for them to get “tougher” on immigration as it will be a gradual change, by then, most of us, if not the majority, will have already become Canadian Citizens. So conservatives would bring back a more transparent, efficient federal government, including immigration policies.
 
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CaBeaver

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well, conservatives might get “tougher” with immigration, but they also invest a lot more in immigrant integration services, language training and other critical elements for newcomers to success in this country unlike liberals, who keep bringing in immigrants en masse without addressing labour market structural issues, racisms, housing issues, and acceptance of foreign credentials by employers. Liberals’ immigration policies are double standards in my opinion. Furthermore, if conservatives jump to power, it will take some time for them to get “tougher” on immigration as it will be a gradual change, by then, most of us, if not the majority, will have already become Canadian Citizens.
I am not a political analyst, and I am not sure to what extent conservatives are actually what you say, but I can say Liberals are not doing great with immigrants and with many other issues, but I am afraid it's the lesser of two evils so to speak, especially immigration-wise.

I agree with the mass immigration with many existing issues.

Out of curiosity: what are the labor market structural issues you are referring to?
 
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novascotia27

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I am not a political analyst, and I am not sure to what extent conservatives are actually what you say, but I can say Liberals are not doing great with immigrants and with many other issues, but I am afraid it's the lesser of two evils so to speak, especially immigration-wise.

I agree with the mass immigration with many existing issues.

Out of curiosity: what are the labor market structural issues you are referring to?
I am referring to 1) an immigrant ability to enter the professional labour market with their existing credentials, and experience (to the extend their professions are not regulated) 2) real wages lag behind or are stagnant compared to other developed countries 3) job opportunities are VERY limited 4) the corporate ladder or professional growth have a low-ceilings. 5) Canada is a heavily regulated environment which discourages innovation, entrepreneurship and competition with others developed countries. 6) Racism and statistical discrimination in the workplace.
 

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I am referring to 1) an immigrant ability to enter the professional labour market with their existing credentials, and experience (to the extend their professions are not regulated) 2) real wages lag behind or are stagnant compared to other developed countries 3) job opportunities are VERY limited 4) the corporate ladder or professional growth have a low-ceilings. 5) Canada is a heavily regulated environment which discourages innovation, entrepreneurship and competition with others developed countries. 6) Racism and statistical discrimination in the workplace.
Exactly! Not too many people like it as a word but Capitalism is the key! More regulated and dynamic approach building a country, less crimes, less inflation all empowered through strengthening our economy by building what you need instead of getting into a socialism. As a responsible citizen, you’d enjoy the way of life when mentioned things above are achieved.
 

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Well, conservatives might get “tougher”on immigration, but they also invest a lot more in immigrant integration services, language training and other critical elements for newcomers to succeed in this country unlike liberals, who keep bringing in immigrants en masse without addressing labour market structural issues, racism, housing issues, and acceptance of foreign credentials by Canadian employers. Liberals’ immigration policies are double standard in my opinion as there is only so many new immigrants this small economy can take on a yearly basis. Furthermore, if conservatives jump to power, it will take some time for them to get “tougher” on immigration as it will be a gradual change, by then, most of us, if not the majority, will have already become Canadian Citizens. So conservatives would bring back a more transparent, efficient federal government, including immigration policies.
Huh? So how and when they they address "labour market structural issues, racism, housing issues" for immigrants?
 

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I am referring to 1) an immigrant ability to enter the professional labour market with their existing credentials, and experience (to the extend their professions are not regulated) 2) real wages lag behind or are stagnant compared to other developed countries 3) job opportunities are VERY limited 4) the corporate ladder or professional growth have a low-ceilings. 5) Canada is a heavily regulated environment which discourages innovation, entrepreneurship and competition with others developed countries. 6) Racism and statistical discrimination in the workplace.
" 6) Racism and statistical discrimination in the workplace. " Ha ha ha ! Yeah, let's bring in the conservatives!
 

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Abdulrhman Taskia had been kept in the dark by immigration officials for almost five years, not knowing why his family’s permanent residence application was taking so long.

Finally, in February 2020, the Toronto man asked the Federal Court to do something about it and push Ottawa to expedite his case.

Last month, in a rare ruling, the court agreed the 57-month wait in the queue was “unreasonable” and ordered Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada to render a decision in 30 days and to pay Taskia’s family $1,500 in costs.

The COVID-19 pandemic does not fully explain IRCC’s delay. As noted by the applicants, this reasoning is not applicable for the period leading up to March 2020, approximately 3.5 years after the applicants submitted their application for permanent residency.”

During the hearing in July, the government argued the request by the family to expedite their case should be moot because they had informed the family just weeks ago that their application was nearly complete and asked them to submit further information.

However, until a final determination is made, the judge insisted, the case was not moot.


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/08/12/this-familys-immigration-application-was-in-process-for-57-months-now-a-judge-has-given-ottawa-30-days-to-make-a-decision.html
 

luvtrump

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Abdulrhman Taskia had been kept in the dark by immigration officials for almost five years, not knowing why his family’s permanent residence application was taking so long.

Finally, in February 2020, the Toronto man asked the Federal Court to do something about it and push Ottawa to expedite his case.

Last month, in a rare ruling, the court agreed the 57-month wait in the queue was “unreasonable” and ordered Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada to render a decision in 30 days and to pay Taskia’s family $1,500 in costs.

The COVID-19 pandemic does not fully explain IRCC’s delay. As noted by the applicants, this reasoning is not applicable for the period leading up to March 2020, approximately 3.5 years after the applicants submitted their application for permanent residency.”

During the hearing in July, the government argued the request by the family to expedite their case should be moot because they had informed the family just weeks ago that their application was nearly complete and asked them to submit further information.

However, until a final determination is made, the judge insisted, the case was not moot.


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/08/12/this-familys-immigration-application-was-in-process-for-57-months-now-a-judge-has-given-ottawa-30-days-to-make-a-decision.html

With elections looming by Sept 20, this is the best time that all applicants come together and go to supreme or federal court. I have been saying this since the very first time only Federal or Supreme court of Canada can make IRCC work but i guess all applicants prefer to wait than touching CIC Maafia.
 
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CaBeaver

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Abdulrhman Taskia had been kept in the dark by immigration officials for almost five years, not knowing why his family’s permanent residence application was taking so long.

Finally, in February 2020, the Toronto man asked the Federal Court to do something about it and push Ottawa to expedite his case.

Last month, in a rare ruling, the court agreed the 57-month wait in the queue was “unreasonable” and ordered Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada to render a decision in 30 days and to pay Taskia’s family $1,500 in costs.

The COVID-19 pandemic does not fully explain IRCC’s delay. As noted by the applicants, this reasoning is not applicable for the period leading up to March 2020, approximately 3.5 years after the applicants submitted their application for permanent residency.”

During the hearing in July, the government argued the request by the family to expedite their case should be moot because they had informed the family just weeks ago that their application was nearly complete and asked them to submit further information.

However, until a final determination is made, the judge insisted, the case was not moot.


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/08/12/this-familys-immigration-application-was-in-process-for-57-months-now-a-judge-has-given-ottawa-30-days-to-make-a-decision.html
We need this kind of pressure on IRCC. To force them to make a decision with a timeframe. Giving them all the time they need will make them delay our applications indefinitely. Calling MPs will do nothing. But I wonder after how much time the court will deem processing time unreasonable for citizenship applications.
 

luvtrump

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We need this kind of pressure on IRCC. To force them to make a decision with a timeframe. Giving them all the time they need will make them delay our applications indefinitely. Calling MPs will do nothing. But I wonder after how much time the court will deem processing time unreasonable for citizenship applications.

Given time from IRCC is 12 months add 5 more months for delay but IRCC needs to justify how come 2019 applicants are waiting yet 2020 and 2021 are getting oaths ? IRCC needs to tell us what is happening with our application , just GCMS is not enough. Only by Federal court we will get some results. More people need to go to federal court. @bluesami go to Federal court.
 

Das67

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With elections looming by Sept 20, this is the best time that all applicants come together and go to supreme court. I have been saying this since the very first time only Federal or Supreme court of Canada can make IRCC work but i guess all applicants prefer to wait than touching CIC Maafia.
I thought you can take the case to federal or supreme court only on case by case basic. It is even possible to fill a collective law suit? And this 12 months processing time doesn't mean anything, I guess only lawyer can answer these questions. I also read an article online concerning a PR under protected person who applied for citizenship and IRCC suspended his citizenship application process because he returned to his home country and was under CBSA investigation. The applicant took the case to the federal court, IRCC suspending his application because CBSA was investigated was found unlawful and was ordered to process the application and give a decision. So IRCC does a lot of unlawful things behind the scene, only when you dare to challenge their decisions that you will find out.
 
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luvtrump

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I thought you can take the case to federal or supreme court only on case by case basic. It is even possible to fill a collective law suit? And this 12 months processing time doesn't mean anything, I guess only lawyer can answer these questions. I also read an article online concerning a PR under protected person who applied for citizenship and IRCC suspended his citizenship application process because he returned to his home country and was under CBSA investigation. The applicant took the case to the federal court, IRCC suspending his application because CBSA was investigated was found unlawful and was ordered to process the application and give a decision. So IRCC does a lot of unlawful things behind the scene, only when you dare to challenge their decisions that you will find out.
You are right only a lawyer can answer these questions but my point is the Remedy is only going to Federal or Supereme Court. IRCC is a maafia .

From the Article itself-

The ruling, which was described by the court itself as “an extraordinary remedy,” has caused a buzz among many immigration applicants who have long complained about unreasonable delays in their application processing and being frustrated by an irresponsive bureaucracy, especially during the pandemic.

If you can go to the court then go.
 
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