You are right, i dont see ban lifted in next 2-3 months. Its easy to have suspension but takes a lot of consideration to lift. Border crossing for non essential traveller is a good example, despite massive vaccination in the US
Flight ban for Indian students
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seems like people from South East Asia have been screwed for at least 4-6 weeks..sorry guys..
Then give full refunds of fees and all the money your colleges and university has taken and also give the year back to students who wasted their time in online learning. Then we can do this and If you hate indians so much just tell your colleges and universities to stop giving admissions to indians in addition to this tell your PM that he should ban immigration from india.
Then Canadian border control for covid is ineffective.. Canadian medical advisors failed. Canada have a 3+11 days quarantine at hotel and other places for the cost of more than 2000 dollars with pre and post entry covid tests.
Border control agreed a week ago that importation of cases are about 100+ only..
Indians are not just contributing twice to Canadian economy than citizens in the way of tuition fees.
During pandemic, more of the food delivery workers are Indians.
India contributed to save lives of Canadian in the name of vaccination. The govt. equally treated other nations and donated vaccinations where its citizens not even fully vaccinated and in trouble now.
Why have not you closed borders for United States where they were recording cases about 200,000+ everyday?
Everyone agree.. the spreading should stop and hope, Indians politely accept the situation and travel suspension. Its a safe measure for everyone at the moment.
But words which are kind of racism now is not good for the humanity. Canadians are turning against Indians everywhere in the social media like Americans against Asian faces.. why can't everyone think and support in hard times to others and create a positive insights for the people who already suffering.
Not to offend anyone. Just stand with Indians in this hard times.. they are the best one to handle things quickly with massive population.
Not agreeing with any type of racism. That is absolutely wrong. Travel bans isn’t racism and you don’t have to be Indian to be part of the travel ban just living or visiting India. If you look at the record of flights coming into Canada with covid cases there are multiple flights from India arriving daily and many of the flights from Europe or the Middle East likely had people arriving from India as well. If the quarantine system was 100% effective and people had to do forced quarantine in a government controlled location there may be no need for a ban although Australia has also implemented a ban. You can’t just count the actual number of people arriving infected from the plane. Public health in places like Ontario has been pretty poor so the number of covid cases being reported arriving on international flights are likely underreported but the big issue is that many are not isolating when they return home to do their 11 day quarantine so whole families get infected and some of these families continue to go to work, school, out to the community, etc. Some don’t quarantine at all. You have to count all the cases that are the result of someone coming into Canada infected not just the cases identified from the flight. Many provinces have cases of the double variant identified in the community in non-travellers so there is community spread. Canada is not in as serious a condition as India but our healthcare system does not have the extra capacity to treat more covid cases so even if travellers from India arrived in Canada and were all quarantined together for 14 days there would still be more cases and a whole airplane who May have been exposed. When we are struggling to care for our own patients we can’t justify bringing in more cases. The relationship between the US and Canada is very different. Canada depends on a lot of our basic goods snd raw materials to come from Canada. We have a lot of people who live and work on other sides of the border, etc. so you can’t compare the relationship to Canada’s relationship to other countries. A lot of the travel between Canada and the US is business travel.
Don’t think anyone doesn’t feel compassion for anyone living in India at the moment but I am sure that many would have tried to leave India or have their families leave India if they had their choice right now. Canada would have likely seen even more people arriving from India in addition to the normal mixtire of international students, workers, visitors, PRs and Canadian citizens. That would be even more cases. We have also seen many people arriving with faked covid tests. Not all from India but unfortunately the airlines aren’t great at identifying fame test results. I also agree that Canada has not done a good job protecting our border. We should have been much more strict but it is difficult with such a large border and we are dependent on the US. Closing the borders would have a big economic impact and many would complain if we had a system like Australia or some Asian countries where you will be tracked or a limited number of citizens or PRs are let in per week. Australia has large international student numbers and they have been banned from entering this whole year. Would be careful from making claims unless you have the proof to back them up. There is no proof that Indian international students benefit the Canadian economy two times more than Canadians. Tuition fees are higher for international students partially because their parents haven’t been paying high taxes to subsidize the education system. There are Canadian students paying higher tuition than international students it depends on the program, the province and the school. Many international students don’t pay taxes, share small rentals and tend to consume very little so the benefit to the economy is not huge unless the international students are wealthy. They do benefit the economy the most when they graduate, start working full-time and then become citizens and hopefully raise their families while contributing to the tax base. There is no proof that Indian citizens were the most common food delivery workers so I would encourage you not to make these types of statements unless you have proof. If you have every had food delivered or used a ride sharing app you know that there is a diverse workforce. Where you live also influences who may be delivering your food. India produces vaccinations but most of them are not donated they were purchased like any other good. The government allowed the vaccine producers to sell the vaccines internationally. The Indian government could have insisted that they purchase all the doses until their population was fully vaccinated but I don’t believe the government would have been willing to pay for all the doses. They had the ability to do this like the US did so I would blame the Indian government not other countries. Making other countries pay higher prices for vaccine doses benefit the vaccine producers and the economy in India. Canada received doses from AZ from India through a program where various countries donate money to provide doses for poorer countries but they have the ability to ask to receive some doses for themselves first as a benefit for paying for a large amount of doses for other countries.
If people are set to start studying in May they likely have the option to defer until the Fall. If people do not want to study online that is an option they should consider. For those in India please stay safe. Not travelling to Canada right away is not a big deal when you consider what is going on in the world and the health of your friends and family.
Indian students had the ability to delay their studies or not apply knowing covid was not going to be resolved for some time. Canadians students also have to pay and are learning online. If you attend the online lectures you can’t go back after the withdrawal period and say you aren’t interested anymore and you’d like a refund. International students have been able to travel to Canada for at least 6 months. This is a temporary pause in travel from India. Many other countries are limiting travel from India because of the high rate of infection (likely higher than reported) and the fact that we don’t know how effective vaccines are to this new variant is concerning. How does Canada hate Indians? We have a very large Indian population in Canada some of who became Canadian citizens are a large number of visitors from India many who have been given extra extensions to remain in Canada with family due to covid. They have been given free testing, some provinces would have treated them for free if they got covid and will be vaccinated for free. International students who lost their jobs because of covid last March were given financial support that was the same as Canadian citizens. Immigration from India has continued throughout covid. You may be angry but there is no need to be ridiculous.
Playing race card when making your point is ignorant thing to do. I also dispute the fact that Indians contribute twice to the economy than Canadians, thats not true and prove me wrong with data. I bet when you said Indians, you exclude Indo-Canadians or you didnt think about this
What about other countries suspended direct flights from India/ Pakistan/ Brazil or South Africa? Are the racist toward those countries? EU placed banned against United states traveller, several EU countries placed ban on UK travellers due to new variant? Are the EU racist toward UK Nationals? I am people of color, and i hate to see every discussion is turned into racism.
I had to write that reply because whenever i am opening this forum there is someone who says this thing like indians are responsible for covid in canada. I know it may be possible that people may have travel by generating fake covid report but then again why you have to mention this.
People from India likely brought the new variant into Canada. The fact that there are community spread cases indicate that those arriving did not quarantine properly. There have been a large number of cases from India and there that is why flights were banned. All of covid is not from India. Just because someone makes stupid and incorrect comments there is no need to make stupid and incorrect statements back.
Incorrect baseless information. Canada has so far reported below variants across provinces. There might be spread from passengers from India but did not bring new variant into Canada, false allegation.
B.1.1.7 - UK Variant
B.1.351 - South Africa Variant
P.1 - Brazil Variant
Courtesy:- COVID-19 variant tracker: Charting variants of the novel coronavirus in Canada | CTV News
Indian Variant is B.1.618 which is mostly found in West Bengal state of India. This Variant is new and only found in India so far. Let's not spread wrong information and create panic and hatred towards a country. If that was the case then the whole world should be pointing fingers towards China where it all began.
It is also true the numbers are rapidly increasing in India and Canada as a country wants to protect us which is the right thing to do. When US was going through same situation did we blame that People from US bought new variants to Canada? absolutely no so let's do the right thing of not spreading rumors.
The B1.617 isn’t listed because it hasn’t been determined as a variant of concern in Canada it is still listed as a variant of interest. It is already in Canada. I have included the cases in some province but we have only been screening a random sample so likely underestimated.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-double-mutant-virus-first-identified-in-india-is-now-in-b-c
https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-not-developing-mass-screening-tool-for-b-1-617-covid-19-variant-devastating-india-1.5405746
give refund for what. Noone force to study in Canada or online. Apply australia then, they treat u better
@canuck78 is right. As of 5 days ago there were 36 Indian strains in Ontario alone with 30 attributed to travel and since it can only get here by travel that means 6 people didn't properly quarantine or 6 people gave the strain to other non-travellers they were quarantining with. Lots of articles and stories about public health at airports doing a terrible job with travellers which is why the message needs to be sent to all those travelling that you should really only be doing so for essential reasons. The situation may be bad in India but clearly here even the government doesn't know how to manage everything.