Spousal sponsorship

[ButterflyChemist]

I do not understand your points - they seem to bear mostly on whether the TRV itself will be approved, or mostly be about whether the PR app itself is 'solid', not whether the TRV application/refusal will negatively impact the PR application. It all sounds to me like overthinking.

-What kind of marriage is this? - That's something to address in the PR application.
-What's different now to make it necessary to visit? -Don't see how, if 'unnecessary' and hence TRV refused, that will hurt the PR app. The married couple want to visit/reside together. (The desire to reside together will hurt the TRV chances, of course, but not vice versa)
-If no visits before - again, to address in the PR application. And anyway, the record of visits before etc will be in the PR app anyway, applying for the TRV won't change that.

I am somewhat assuming this may be an arranged or similar marriage (and my assumption may be wrong) - but if so, the hurdles to demonstrate it's a genuine marriage are pretty well established. TRV approval chances might be low, but applying for it shouldn't hurt the PR app.

Side note: there is one circumstance in which applying for TRV and getting refused certainly will harm the PR application, and that is where the TRV application is misleading or misrepresents, or contains serious errors or omissions (like not mentioning the relationship), or differs in content from the PR app. There may be others, of course, but this is a clear one.

Whatever record IRCC has at the time of sponsorship app must be consistent with what is on the sponsorship app. So info submitted for TRV will have a bearing. We also shouldn't forget that one individual can be genuine in the marriage while the other party is not and yes that will be assessed. If they want to visit together in Canada immediately after the wedding that could suggest that the wedding was to facilitate entry to Canada and thereby affect the sponsorship app.

As your rightfully said, the questions I asked are things to be addressed in a sponsorship app, but if a recent marriage is why you want a TRV, the two things become linked, in my opinion. Did you get married for a Canadian visa is definitely something that will affect a sponsorship app. It's not the applying for the TRV in itself that raises issues, it's the potential questions that arises from it. Sometimes people don't mean to mislead or contradict themselves but end up doing so anyway with simple things.

 

[armoured]

Whatever record IRCC has at the time of sponsorship app must be consistent with what is on the sponsorship app. So info submitted for TRV will have a bearing.

Information provided to IRCC should be consistent and truthful. That applies to any apps.

We also shouldn't forget that one individual can be genuine in the marriage while the other party is not and yes that will be assessed. If they want to visit together in Canada immediately after the wedding that could suggest that the wedding was to facilitate entry to Canada and thereby affect the sponsorship app.

They will be applying for PR - hence desire to reside in Canada - hence no change. There will be a default assumption, naturally, that couples that marry intend to eventually live together; that may negatively affect the TRV, but not vice versa.

As your rightfully said, the questions I asked are things to be addressed in a sponsorship app, but if a recent marriage is why you want a TRV, the two things become linked, in my opinion. Did you get married for a Canadian visa is definitely something that will affect a sponsorship app.

All of these are issues that exist regardless of whether the TRV is applied for before or after the PR app.

Sometimes people don't mean to mislead or contradict themselves but end up doing so anyway with simple things.

OK. Applicants who are unable to fill out an application for TRV without misleading or contradicting themselves should, perhaps, refrain from applying for TRV. And check their PR apps a hundred times over.

 

[razor787]

Overall I think the letters are okay - in some areas I would cut down details (eg while nice I don't think the detail of expenses is needed, you can just say you believe your savings will be enough for six months with no income). You do not say/show what evidence you will attach - my impression is that 'plans' are greatly strengthened by having any additional evidence, even at this early stage. Or in more simple terms, write a bit less, have a bit more evidence.

A few minor points:
-have you ever visited Canada with your spouse? Does she have a TRV? (I'd consider applying for one if not)

-Since you are teaching English, and presumably have some qualification in that area, you'd be remiss to not mention that this is an area of potential employment for you (and one in constant demand). (If not, perhaps plan to get those qualifications?)

-I don't think the discussion of leaving for Canada without your spouse adds anything. You plan to leave during the summer; plans may need adjustment. If/when your plans firm up, you can add info via webform later.

- My wife had a TRV, but it expired. We tried applying for another visa last year, to come for Christmas (we applied several months before) but they denied because they didn't believe that she would leave. So I don't really want to apply again, especially since we don't have any actual plans to go back this year. We would be better off saving that money.

- Unfortunately, I haven't gone to university, so although I have experience teaching English here, I don't have the qualifications to do it in Canada.

- I thought the whole point of this letter is to show that I will be moving to Canada. I figured that showing that I must leave Russia in either case would be the best proof that I will return.

You suggested to 'write less, but show more evidence'.
What other evidence do you suggest I add?

I plan to show:
- my expiring visa
- a few chats with parents/family about our plan to move back to Canada (going back to 2018)
- Job postings showing positions for web developing

Other than these things, I am not sure what else I can use to show that I intend to move back to Canada.

 

[razor787]

I am in a somewhat similar situation. I would dress up your discussion of your plan to exit Russia with or without your wife. The letter as-is seems not to address the case if your wife does not get PR by that time and then you end up leaving Russia. What will happen to your wife then? Are you going to abandon her? Are you going to apply for her PR with Outland application? This issues are not clear to me and I would think the visa officers will wonder about this as well. I would expand on your contingency plans.

FWIW, my "similar situation" is that I (the PR applicant) am retired (for 3 years) and my wife (the sponsor) has lived with me in the US for 22 years. I had to dream up (1) an explanation assuring that the sponsor would return to Canada along with me (the PR applicant) and (2) just how were we going to support ourselves (I have no intention of going to work). I drafted a letter for my wife (the sponsor) explaining that there were family reasons for her returning to Canada, and that if her husband (the PR applicant) moved to Canada then surely there was no reason for her to stay in the US. That's it in a nutshell but it filled a good page or two. And (2) I included a lengthy package with analysis of how our "lifetime savings" along with our US Social Security benefits and private pensions were sufficient provide X amount of cash for Y number of years, along with account statements substantiating our savings. That is that letter in a nutshell, although the details went for about 4 pages.

Good Luck!

To be honest, I am not sure what the plan will be if she doesn't get this. I will be closing my school, and losing my residency. If she doesn't get this Canadian PR, then we are pretty screwed.

Have you already received your PR?

 

[armoured]

- My wife had a TRV, but it expired. We tried applying for another visa last year, to come for Christmas (we applied several months before) but they denied because they didn't believe that she would leave. So I don't really want to apply again, especially since we don't have any actual plans to go back this year. We would be better off saving that money.

Weird. But it is what it is.

- Unfortunately, I haven't gone to university, so although I have experience teaching English here, I don't have the qualifications to do it in Canada.

I think the various qualifications for at least some ESL teachers don't require university and aren't that long. Just a thought.
Any inquiry / info on training or job-qualification stuff either of you do will strengthen that part of case.

- I thought the whole point of this letter is to show that I will be moving to Canada. I figured that showing that I must leave Russia in either case would be the best proof that I will return.

Sure. My point was really less the emphasis on you leaving without her. You're not leaving without her (except possibly short term differences in travel times).

You suggested to 'write less, but show more evidence'.
What other evidence do you suggest I add?

I plan to show:
- my expiring visa
- a few chats with parents/family about our plan to move back to Canada (going back to 2018)
- Job postings showing positions for web developing

Job applications, housing searches, plans for your spouse (eg would she need some education?), any ongoing ties such as bank accounts you have there, savings in Canada, whatever. Plans for spouse and eg any inquiries for your own education, her education, job prospects for either, etc., might be particularly strong.

Yes, I know some of these are a bit artificial since likely a year away and you're not going to rent an apartment in advance - still the research adds some credibility. If your friends/family are happy to write short letter saying "he's coming back, I've offered to help with housing for a few months" - not sure if this is superior to chats.

Anyway overall point: whatever you have evidence-wise, those can be referred to in your letter. I'm not overall saying your letters were not on or that they were problematic - just that evidence is better than text.

To be honest, I am not sure what the plan will be if she doesn't get this. I will be closing my school, and losing my residency. If she doesn't get this Canadian PR, then we are pretty screwed.

I don't think you need to worry so much about this. You've been married many years and while IRCC will want to see some evidence of your intent to return, that won't be too difficult a bar to pass.

Similarly, the 'support part' - you're both healthy, working, you have some savings, you have family in Canada - they won't think you're charity cases waiting to get on social assistance. You started your own business in Russia and survived, don't sell yourself short.

Think of what you're providing them is info to make the job of the immigration officer very easy - both for them to do quick evaluation of your file, and for that officer to present it to his boss so that he can answer any question his boss asks quickly and easily.

 

[LongBill]

To be honest, I am not sure what the plan will be if she doesn't get this. I will be closing my school, and losing my residency. If she doesn't get this Canadian PR, then we are pretty screwed.

Have you already received your PR?

razor787: Have not received PR (yet). Going for medical exam tomorrow. We have little doubt that the eventual outcome will be positive.

I'm sorry to hear that your mutual situation is such a hard spot... you must leave (Russia), she can't enter (Canada). Sucks big time. I keep reading at IRCC, etc, how they are emphasizing reuniting Canadian citizens with their loved one (spouse) versus those immigrating with no family connection. So work on that angle in your application. I suppose the contingency plan if you have to exit Russia before she can enter Canada is to do that, and she will have to wait in Russia (or elsewhere) until she is granted PR. It's a good thing you are starting this now since the process seems to be taking a year, or more.

Good luck.

 

[MJSPARV]

Hello everyone!

I've written two letters to Immigration which I need to include in the application. One is regarding proof that I (sponsor) will move to Canada when we get residency. The other is our financial plan (from the 'Employment/Source of Income' section.

If it's possible, can I get some tips/advice on what you think of the letters.


#1 - Proof I will return to Canada

Dear Visa Officer


Q: Are you (the sponsor) living outside of Canada


I am writing this letter to express my plan to return to Canada, upon receipt of my wife’s PR confirmation.

In July 2022, my Russian Temporary residency is set to expire. For me to remain in Russia, I would have to get permanent residence. I don’t have any desire to do this, and I will return to Canada before the expiry of my residency. Whether my wife receives the permanent residency or not, I will have moved/be moving to Canada in June 2022.

I am working in Russia as an English teacher, and I have my own school. The school year here finishes at the end of May. By sending our application package now (May 2021) and seeing that the processing time is 12 months, we feel that this is the perfect time to apply, so we can show an immediate plan to move to Canada.

At the end of the school year, I will close my business in Russia, and begin a search for work and apartments in Canada. With the savings we have (please see the letter from ‘Employment/Source of Income’ for a detailed explanation of our financial plan upon returning to Canada) we plan to be able to live for 5-8 months if we find it difficult to find jobs.

With all of this being said, if the application is approved much faster than the planned 12 months, I am able to close my business early.

Over the past few years, I have spoken with my family, about our eventual move to Canada. Some of these facebook chats are included in this package. My family has offered their support for us for when we move back to Canada, although our current plans show that we will not need to accept their help.

The library offers many online services. One of the services I plan to make use of, is the subscription to Lynda.com. This is a website that provides video lessons on a wide range of topics, such as programming, web design, and graphic design. During this summer, I plan to begin a deep dive into their courses. This will help me to prepare myself for working in Canada. My main job goal when I return, will be to return to the Web Design industry. I spent 1 year at [college] studying Web Design, and I spent time working as a Junior Web developer for a company called [company]. I wish to update my knowledge, and try to get back into the industry once I return.

I have been keeping an eye on websites like indeed and Monster, and have seen that there are companies hiring Junior Web developers, even during the Coronavirus pandemic. I will attach some of the more recent job searches I have found.

I realize that it might be difficult to find work when we move to Canada, so I have looked into resources that can help us once we receive confirmation of her permanent residence. These include the Durham Region Unemployment Help Center, The Canadian Job Bank, the YMCA, and other local job recruitment services.

Regarding housing, my father is a retired real estate agent. We have had a few conversations about housing opportunities in Ontario. When the time comes to return to Canada, we will use his knowledge and contacts to help us find a place to live. We have already used his contacts once in the past. In 2015, when [wife] first visited Canada, he was able to find us a short-term rental which we used for the time that [wife] was visiting.

I hope that this letter, and the documents provided will give you sufficient evidence to show that I will return to Canada shortly after the confirmation of [Wife]’s PR.

Thank you,





[My Name]




Letter 2

Hello,

I am writing to state the financial plan my wife and I have, for our arrival in Canada.

At the time of writing this letter, we have a USD bank account, with over $5000USD (around $6500CAD). Our goal is to save $15,000CAD before moving to Canada. We have been able to put $600-1000USD per month into the account. This puts us ahead of schedule, and on track to have up to $20,000USD (25,000CAD) saved by the time we leave, in July 2022. Please see the attached form, which will show the current balance.

We have looked into the expenses we will have in Toronto. We plan to find an apartment for $1500 per month. Our other expenses will be: mobile phone- $150, Internet - $75, Groceries - $500, TTC Passes - $320, Entertainment - $200, Clothes - $100, Unexpected Expenses/Savings - $155. This Will bring our monthly expenses to $3000 per month.

This will give us 5-8 months of savings to cover our expenses.

We both plan to be working during this time however. [Wife] currently has a job working online with a Russian online university, in their sales department, which she plans to continue for the first few months. My job as an English teacher, and the relationships I have built with my students, will allow me to continue working with them while I am in Canada as well. I have many students who have been studying online, so I will be able to maintain these classes in Canada.

While these jobs will help us in the beginning, we both realize that the higher cost of living in Canada (and the difference in time zones) will mean it will be essential to find jobs in Canada as soon as possible.

[wife] has a university degree in economics and around 5 years experience working in the banking industry. Her goal is to find a job in the Canadian banking industry. [sponsor] will look for work, either in the hospitality industry, or in web design. We are looking to find full time, 40-hour a week jobs. In banking, [wife] should be able to find a job for $16-18 per hour. This would give her a monthly income of around 2750 per month. In web design, [sponsor] would be able to find a job as an entry-level web developer from $17-20 per hour. This would offer a monthly income of around 2900 per month. Together, we would expect to earn 5000-6000 per month.

If we are unable to find work in the industries we desire, then we will look towards minimum wage jobs. For a 40 hour work-week at the current minimum wage ($14.25) we would expect to earn 2,280 each for a combined income of around 4,560 per month. This would allow us to work and give us time to find better employment opportunities.

I hope this letter serves as a suitable explanation of our plans. If you have any followup questions, we will be happy to answer them.

Thank you,

[our names]

Your letter has more details than ours did and we got SA with no issues though we had more evidence of the sort armoured has mentioned (list of job applications in particular).

 

[TRV_2021]

Hey, I have received a letter from immigration stating that "The Application for Permanent Residence for your relative(s) will be forwarded to the visa office in New York for further processing"..
Could you please anyone explain to me, what does it means and how long does it take still to process.....

 

[MJSPARV]

Hey, I have received a letter from immigration stating that "The Application for Permanent Residence for your relative(s) will be forwarded to the visa office in New York for further processing"..
Could you please anyone explain to me, what does it means and how long does it take still to process.....

Sounds like that was part of your SA letter. It means that the NYVO is now primarily handling your case. As for timeline, no idea, sorry! There is a thread for the NYVO if you search for it.

 

[TRV_2021]

Sounds like that was part of your SA letter. It means that the NYVO is now primarily handling your case. As for timeline, no idea, sorry! There is a thread for the NYVO if you search for it.

Thanks for the info...

 

[Rishavjeet]

When did you send you paper file ?? To IRCC

April 2019

 

[jaysal]

Hi members,
I am looking for a post which you guys followed to prepare for Spouse or Common-law partner in Canada class with Open Work Permit. If you could point me to such post, it will help me a lot.
Thanks!

 

[Cinderella_2020]

Does anybody know how much time It takes for PA eligibility?

 

[Cinderella_2020]

How long does it take to receive AOR2 ?

 

[esam99]

again, no one can answer that