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mahuuuu

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Nov 9, 2020
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I do realise that, but to the extent that they should have CEC only draws? I don't agree with that, just like i wouldn't agree with FSW only draws either. You get additional points for Canadian education and work experience, that is reward enough for your contribution.

Let everyone compete on equal terms. If a FSW candidate has more points despite not having the extra points that CEC candidates get for Canadian education and work experience, then they deserve to be selected.
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Islander216

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Nov 27, 2019
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I respect CEC candidates, don't get me wrong. I studied in Canada, i know all about the sacrifices international students make to reach their Canadian dream. It's a tough journey, to pay those exorbitant fees, be away from your family, and to study and sometimes work simultaneously, and be able to live on a tight budget.

I just don't want that dream to be only for some people and not for others. You know what i mean?

A lot of people are getting pushed out because of the high cut-off scores, and it's only increasing and becoming more competitive. My friend keeps telling me of people he knows who want to apply for Canadian immigration but can't because their scores are too low, and they are also educated, and have good work experience. Maybe those extra points CECs get are the difference to get them in and not allow others to be selected. They have to accept that.

Now imagine the people here, who have worked so hard to be competitive, and just when they might have a chance to get an invitation....it's a CEC only draw.

It's hard on them. I hope CECs can see this as well.
 
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ns317

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Aug 29, 2019
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Canada has quite clearly been trying to provide more pathways to PR for temporary residents who are already in the country. The minister said as much, and it makes sense considering the pandemic and the landed immigrants target numbers for this year.

I guess they might have tested the waters with that points system change (giving more points to Canadian education), before pulling it back. And then decided to go with these CEC draws again.

Either way, they will find a way to give more chances to temp residents - that’s the stated policy and FSW candidates just need to work their way around it.
 

taurus22

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Apr 8, 2020
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I respect CEC candidates, don't get me wrong. I studied in Canada, i know all about the sacrifices international students make to reach their Canadian dream. It's a tough journey, to pay those exorbitant fees, be away from your family, and to study and sometimes work simultaneously, and be able to live on a tight budget.

I just don't want that dream to be only for some people and not for others. You know what i mean?

A lot of people are getting pushed out because of the high cut-off scores, and it's only increasing and becoming more competitive. My friend keeps telling me of people he knows who want to apply for Canadian immigration but can't because their scores are too low, and they are also educated, and have good work experience. Maybe those extra points CEC gets are the difference to get them in and not allow others to be selected. They have to accept that.

Now imagine the people here, who have worked so hard to be competitive, and just when they might have a chance to get an invitation....it's a CEC only draw.

It's hard on them. I hope CECs can see this as well.
You're very kind and empathetic. I wish the world had more people like you.
 

Zozulia

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May 7, 2019
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I do realise that, but to the extent that they should have CEC only draws? I don't agree with that, just like i wouldn't agree with FSW only draws either. You get additional points for Canadian education and work experience, that is reward enough for your contribution.

Let everyone compete on equal terms. If a FSW candidate has more points despite not having the extra points that CEC candidates get for Canadian education and work experience, then they deserve to be selected.
You say so because you are not CEC probably. I don’t agree that all program draws of 470 and higher are fair...so everyone has their own truth. I paid huge international student fee to study here, paid for all my work and study permits, pay taxes, pay rent, insurance, buy groceries - all off my money go into Canadian economy. While other people sit back home, with family, stress free and still complain how not fair it is there are CEC draws. See the difference? There should be turns. All program draw, then CEC - only then it is fair. I’m done. Thank you)
 

seadrag0n

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Canada has quite clearly been trying to provide more pathways to PR for temporary residents who are already in the country. The minister said as much, and it makes sense considering the pandemic and the landed immigrants target numbers for this year.

I guess they might have tested the waters with that points system change (giving more points to Canadian education), before pulling it back. And then decided to go with these CEC draws again.

Either way, they will find a way to give more chances to temp residents - that’s the stated policy and FSW candidates just need to work their way around it.
This is all well and good but IRCC should be upfront about their plans so that outlanders don't waste their time on this. Who knows when the next all programs draw will happen and with large number of profiles entering the pool at a steady pace, the cut off is gonna skyrocket and will not come down for a long time. I think they should just remove FSW category and spare everyone the trouble.
 

Islander216

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Nov 27, 2019
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You say so because you are not CEC probably. I don’t agree that all program draws of 470 and higher are fair...so everyone has their own truth. I paid huge international student fee to study here, paid for all my work and study permits, pay taxes, pay rent, insurance, buy groceries - all off my money go into Canadian economy. While other people sit back home, with family, stress free and still complain how not fair it is there are CEC draws. See the difference? There should be turns. All program draw, then CEC - only then it is fair. I’m done. Thank you)
I don't want to go too down the rabbit hole. I studied in Canada, I know all about massive international fees, high rent, and all the rest of it. I would've been a CEC had things been different.

I understand how high all program cut off scores can seem daunting and unfair, but they are fair because everyone gets to compete based on the same scoring system. That's as fair as it gets.

Giving one program their own draw, how is it fair if a CEC gets an ITA with 461 and a FSW doesn't when they have 467?

I think it's simple math. I know you've made a lot of sacrifices, but it's not easy as an FSW candidate either, they have to compete without the bonuses you get for Canadian education and work experience. That means they are already starting from behind.

They should have a chance too, that's all i'm saying. And when the cut-off score is about to drop and then there's a CEC draw...it's a shot through the heart.
 

Ximena88

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Apr 19, 2019
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You say so because you are not CEC probably. I don’t agree that all program draws of 470 and higher are fair...so everyone has their own truth. I paid huge international student fee to study here, paid for all my work and study permits, pay taxes, pay rent, insurance, buy groceries - all off my money go into Canadian economy. While other people sit back home, with family, stress free and still complain how not fair it is there are CEC draws. See the difference? There should be turns. All program draw, then CEC - only then it is fair. I’m done. Thank you)
Stress free? If only! I'm happy for the lucky CEC candidates because I know the amount of effort they've put in. But you also have to keep in mind that FSW candidates put in alot of blood, sweat and finances as well. I personally did. Besides FSW candidates aren't asking for an FSW only draw... they just want everyone to be considered equally.
 

huyypeter

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Aug 14, 2019
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This is all well and good but IRCC should be upfront about their plans so that outlanders don't waste their time on this. Who knows when the next all programs draw will happen and with large number of profiles entering the pool at a steady pace, the cut off is gonna skyrocket and will not come down for a long time. I think they should just remove FSW category and spare everyone the trouble.
I agree with this, its fine to have cec and fsw draw but cic should be clear so fsw ppl can estimate their chance before spending tones on time on French or Ielts
 
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Islander216

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Nov 27, 2019
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Canada has quite clearly been trying to provide more pathways to PR for temporary residents who are already in the country. The minister said as much, and it makes sense considering the pandemic and the landed immigrants target numbers for this year.

I guess they might have tested the waters with that points system change (giving more points to Canadian education), before pulling it back. And then decided to go with these CEC draws again.

Either way, they will find a way to give more chances to temp residents - that’s the stated policy and FSW candidates just need to work their way around it.
I agree with @seadrag0n, then they should be clear about their policies and provide a timetable for CEC only and all program draws, and let people make an educated decision on whether this process makes sense for them or not, and whether they should pursue other alternatives.
 

BlindGoku

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You say so because you are not CEC probably. I don’t agree that all program draws of 470 and higher are fair...so everyone has their own truth. I paid huge international student fee to study here, paid for all my work and study permits, pay taxes, pay rent, insurance, buy groceries - all off my money go into Canadian economy. While other people sit back home, with family, stress free and still complain how not fair it is there are CEC draws. See the difference? There should be turns. All program draw, then CEC - only then it is fair. I’m done. Thank you)
If FSW is "stress free", why you didn't do it yourself? Can you share with us why you went for the high cost option of CEC?

As we know, IRCC uses the point based system, so it is as fair as it gets. CEC get many bonus points, received like 6 months of exclusive draws, and still complain they want more :v

All program draws should be the way
 

alexross

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Jan 11, 2018
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I really doubt even IRCC knows when they will resume the FSW draws unfortunately. Ultimately the reason for the CEC only draws can absolutely be traced back to the coronavirus situation. We can only hope that the case count reduces soon so that things go back normal.
 

EscoBlades

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Jul 22, 2020
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I really doubt even IRCC knows when they will resume the FSW draws unfortunately. Ultimately the reason for the CEC only draws can absolutely be traced back to the coronavirus situation. We can only hope that the case count reduces soon so that things go back normal.
There's literally been one in the new year. Dunno how anyone is extrapolating what IRCC might or might not do, based on one single draw.
 

Uncle Yayo

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Jun 16, 2020
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If FSW is "stress free", why you didn't do it yourself? Can you share with us why you went for the high cost option of CEC?

As we know, IRCC uses the point based system, so it is as fair as it gets. CEC get many bonus points, received like 6 months of exclusive draws, and still complain they want more :v

All program draws should be the way
Any update with your application?
 
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