Retiring in Canada using the 6 month tourist visa?

[MTCJ]

Hi everyone,

As a UK citizen and non resident of Canada i am looking for some information on the 6 month tourist visa.

Ideally me and my wife would like to retire in Canada and bring up our young son there (we have income from a property portfolio in the UK to support us) but understand that we will need to apply for a PR visa to make it a permanent move, which we will eventually apply for (I should have enough points for FWSC). In the meantime, we would like to buy a place in Canada and use the 6month tourist visa to enter Canada to stay there for 6 months of the year. We would then return to the UK when the visa expires.

So a couple of questions really; is it acceptable to use the tourist visa this way? Also, when leaving Canada, how long would we need to have left before being allowed to come back on another 6month tourist visa?

Many thanks,

Matt

 

[Copingwithlife]

And you’d be paying the international school fees for your youngster to attend school for only six months on a student visa if they are of that age ?
If you’re here for six months , it’s recommended to stay outside of Canada in your home country for the same period & more .
Typically everyone gets six months at the POE by the CBSA, however they can also authorize shorter periods
There is the possibility always that the CBSA feels that you’re living here, which you can’t on a visitor visa . Visitors don’t tend to purchase property, enrol their children in public school etc
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[scylla]

Hi everyone,

As a UK citizen and non resident of Canada i am looking for some information on the 6 month tourist visa.

Ideally me and my wife would like to retire in Canada and bring up our young son there (we have income from a property portfolio in the UK to support us) but understand that we will need to apply for a PR visa to make it a permanent move, which we will eventually apply for (I should have enough points for FWSC). In the meantime, we would like to buy a place in Canada and use the 6month tourist visa to enter Canada to stay there for 6 months of the year. We would then return to the UK when the visa expires.

So a couple of questions really; is it acceptable to use the tourist visa this way? Also, when leaving Canada, how long would we need to have left before being allowed to come back on another 6month tourist visa?

Many thanks,

Matt

I would recommend holding off buying something until you have PR. Generally speaking, tax treatment is not favourable for purchasing a property if you are a non-resident. Investigate this before you buy.

Generally speaking, you should spend more time outside of Canada than inside of Canada in any given year as touriusts. So if you're here for six months, you would want to be outside of Canada for six months or more before re-entering for another six month visit.

A tourist visa only allows you to visit Canada, not live here. You are technically going to try to live in Canada. Whether you are allowed into Canada and for how long is always up to the CBSA officer you speak to at the border. If it looks like you're living here or trying to live here without proper authorization, you may have issues at the border.

Keep in mind that as visitors, you won't be covered by the provincial health care system and your son may have difficulty being allowed to attend school (unless you obtain a study permit for him and pay international student fees).

 

[canuck78]

You still have the issue of your FIL. Your whole family coming to Canada on visitors visas is not a realistic plan.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Hi everyone,

As a UK citizen and non resident of Canada i am looking for some information on the 6 month tourist visa.

Ideally me and my wife would like to retire in Canada and bring up our young son there (we have income from a property portfolio in the UK to support us) but understand that we will need to apply for a PR visa to make it a permanent move, which we will eventually apply for (I should have enough points for FWSC). In the meantime, we would like to buy a place in Canada and use the 6month tourist visa to enter Canada to stay there for 6 months of the year. We would then return to the UK when the visa expires.

So a couple of questions really; is it acceptable to use the tourist visa this way? Also, when leaving Canada, how long would we need to have left before being allowed to come back on another 6month tourist visa?

Many thanks,

Matt

And on top of everything stated above, CBSA doesn't like people trying to live in Canada as a visitors. If you actually own a house here and have a child attending school, it is a clear indicator of residing here. You could expect to be eventually be refused entry and possibly even issued a one year Exclusion Order.

 

[canuck78]

Is there a reason why you want to move to Canada given that you don’t seem to be planning on working and all your business is in the UK which will make it hard to supervise from abroad? Unless you are prepared to be separated from your FIL moving to Canada isn’t really a realistic plan.

 

[steaky]

Is there a reason why you want to move to Canada given that you don’t seem to be planning on working and all your business is in the UK which will make it hard to supervise from abroad? Unless you are prepared to be separated from your FIL moving to Canada isn’t really a realistic plan.

Just hire reliable property management companies to look after the investment properties in UK does not require day to day supervision by the owners. Some visitors (now being referred as satellite families in BC) does buy properties in Canada. It's seems a realistic plan.

 

[canuck78]

14 properties are hard to manage from across the world even with property managers. Given that the FIL can’t immigrate with them their need to move to Canada doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[MTCJ]

And you’d be paying the international school fees for your youngster to attend school for only six months on a student visa if they are of that age ?
If you’re here for six months , it’s recommended to stay outside of Canada in your home country for the same period & more .
Typically everyone gets six months at the POE by the CBSA, however they can also authorize shorter periods
There is the possibility always that the CBSA feels that you’re living here, which you can’t on a visitor visa . Visitors don’t tend to purchase property, enrol their children in public school etc
This is the fee schedule for Toronto


Fee Schedules

Application Fee: $250.00 CAD non-refundable

Tuition Fee (medical insurance premium is included):

Elementary Schools (JK – Grade 8)

• Full Year $13,000.00 CAD September to June or February to January
• Half Year $ 6,500.00 CAD September to January or February to June
Secondary Schools (Grades 9 - 12)

• Full Year $14,500.00 CAD September to June or February to January (max. 8 courses)
• Half year $ 7,250.00 CAD September to January or February to June (max. 4 courses)
• Integrated Orientation and Summer School Program $500.00 CAD (Mandatory for all new secondary students starting in September)
Medical Insurance Coverage

All international students in the TDSB program must have medical insurance coverage.

The TDSB has partnered with Ingle International (www.IngleStudents.com/tdsb) to provide all international students with the best in emergency health insurance:

• Comprehensive Emergency Medical Insurance Plan
• Student Health and Wellness Support Program

Thanks for the reply.

Sorry, should have said. My son is less than a year old, so hopefully by the time he is old enough to attend school we will have managed to gain PR, alternativly he will be home schooled.

I understand what you are saying about visiors purchasing property, but wou

And on top of everything stated above, CBSA doesn't like people trying to live in Canada as a visitors. If you actually own a house here and have a child attending school, it is a clear indicator of residing here. You could expect to be eventually be refused entry and possibly even issued a one year Exclusion Order.

Thanks for the reply.

My kid is only a few weeks old.

He wouldnt be going to school for a few years yet and hopefully in that time I will have managed to get PR via the FSWC route.

I mainly want to come over and figure out the best place to live eventually.

I also want to buy a place that we can rent out when were not in Canada.

Is there a reason why you want to move to Canada given that you don’t seem to be planning on working and all your business is in the UK which will make it hard to supervise from abroad? Unless you are prepared to be separated from your FIL moving to Canada isn’t really a realistic plan.

Yes, I want a better life style for my son.

Our business will be managed for us until we settle in Canada. Our intention is to still invest in property in Canada, possibly get involved with some holiday rentals too. If needs be, I will use my skills to get a job. As well as a qualified structural engineer I am also a qualified fabricatior /welder.

As for my fil he will use a tourist visa initially, until we can sort something better out.

This is obviously all theroetical and hence why I am looking at the different options to see what will work for us.

Appreciate your reply,

Matt

 

[canuck78]

Thanks for the reply.

Sorry, should have said. My son is less than a year old, so hopefully by the time he is old enough to attend school we will have managed to gain PR, alternativly he will be home schooled.

I understand what you are saying about visiors purchasing property, but wou


Thanks for the reply.

My kid is only a few weeks old.

He wouldnt be going to school for a few years yet and hopefully in that time I will have managed to get PR via the FSWC route.

I mainly want to come over and figure out the best place to live eventually.

I also want to buy a place that we can rent out when were not in Canada.


Yes, I want a better life style for my son.

Our business will be managed for us until we settle in Canada. Our intention is to still invest in property in Canada, possibly get involved with some holiday rentals too. If needs be, I will use my skills to get a job. As well as a qualified structural engineer I am also a qualified fabricatior /welder.

As for my fil he will use a tourist visa initially, until we can sort something better out.

This is obviously all theroetical and hence why I am looking at the different options to see what will work for us.

Appreciate your reply,

Matt

Not quite sure what you are expecting to find in Canada. I assume your business is doing relatively well in the UK and you lead a good life in the UK. Not sure how Canada is going to provide a better lifestyle. Think you should invest in some consultations with some immigration lawyers. Your plan to spend significant amount of time with 3 generations of a family as visitors is likely to get flagged. Potentially not on your first visit but with subsequent visits there are good chances you will be limitted short visit if not even refused entry. As for your FIL using tourist visas until you figure something out is not actually a plan. Most families have a period of separation. This is because Canada does not want elderly parents to move to Canada with their children. They allow them to visit once they have become established but only a certain percentage are currently able to get PR once their children have earned income in Canada for 3 years. That system may be about to change and with an ageing population there are no guarantees that your FIL will ever be able to get PR in Canada.

 

[MTCJ]

Not quite sure what you are expecting to find in Canada. I assume your business is doing relatively well in the UK and you lead a good life in the UK. Not sure how Canada is going to provide a better lifestyle. Think you should invest in some consultations with some immigration lawyers. Your plan to spend significant amount of time with 3 generations of a family as visitors is likely to get flagged. Potentially not on your first visit but with subsequent visits there are good chances you will be limitted short visit if not even refused entry. As for your FIL using tourist visas until you figure something out is not actually a plan. Most families have a period of separation. This is because Canada does not want elderly parents to move to Canada with their children. They allow them to visit once they have become established but only a certain percentage are currently able to get PR once their children have earned income in Canada for 3 years. That system may be about to change and with an ageing population there are no guarantees that your FIL will ever be able to get PR in Canada.

We want to live and spend more time in the outdoors, and Canada can definitely give us that lifestyle.

Yes our business is doing well, but here in the UK the green spaces are becoming less and less and crime is on the rise. Not to mention how over crowed it is.

We intend to have some consulations yes. Im just using these forums to get a feel for what is possible first.

If we do manage to get PR then I dont see an issue with the FIL using a tourist visa initially and I appreciate he may never get PR status, but at least its a start.

 

[canuck78]

We want to live and spend more time in the outdoors, and Canada can definitely give us that lifestyle.

Yes our business is doing well, but here in the UK the green spaces are becoming less and less and crime is on the rise. Not to mention how over crowed it is.

We intend to have some consulations yes. Im just using these forums to get a feel for what is possible first.

If we do manage to get PR then I dont see an issue with the FIL using a tourist visa initially and I appreciate he may never get PR status, but at least its a start.

Like in the UK, Canadians have to make an effort to drive to take advantage of the outdoors. There is urban sprawl in Canada too and there are huge portions of Canada that aren’t visited because it it is very hard to visit. Crime is on the rise in Canada as well. There are many cities where there are gang shooting and lots of crime associated with drug addiction. Canada has drug addiction problems with meth, heroin and Fentanyl and gang wars. Doesn’t sound like you have ever been to Canada so you may be romanticizing the idea. Your wife must realize that there is a very good chance she will be separated from her father at some point and when he gets more frail/sicker he will have to return to the UK.

 

[steaky]

14 properties are hard to manage from across the world even with property managers. Given that the FIL can’t immigrate with them their need to move to Canada doesn’t make a lot of sense.

14 + properties are piece of cake for many asset / property management companies. It still make sense to move to Canada.

 

[steaky]

Like in the UK, Canadians have to make an effort to drive to take advantage of the outdoors. There is urban sprawl in Canada too and there are huge portions of Canada that aren’t visited because it it is very hard to visit. Crime is on the rise in Canada as well. There are many cities where there are gang shooting and lots of crime associated with drug addiction. Canada has drug addiction problems with meth, heroin and Fentanyl and gang wars. Doesn’t sound like you have ever been to Canada so you may be romanticizing the idea. Your wife must realize that there is a very good chance she will be separated from her father at some point and when he gets more frail/sicker he will have to return to the UK.

Canadians can also make an effort to boat / hike to enjoy the great outdoors.

 

[scylla]

14 properties are hard to manage from across the world even with property managers.

They aren't actually. We remote manage - it's extremely easy. Management company takes care of everything.