Implied Status add in Physical presence calculator Online ( Citizenship Application)

[Ricky007]

Hello,

How to add Implied Status days in Physical presence calculator Online ( Citizenship Application) ?

30 Jan 2016 to 05 March 2016

35 days I was in Implied Status as I was waiting for my Work permit application after my study completed.

Please provide information:

How to add Implied Status days in Physical presence calculator Online ( Citizenship Application) ?

Thanks

 

[Dr_Midnite]

Hello,

How to add Implied Status days in Physical presence calculator Online ( Citizenship Application) ?

30 Jan 2016 to 05 March 2016

35 days I was in Implied Status as I was waiting for my Work permit application after my study completed.

Please provide information:

How to add Implied Status days in Physical presence calculator Online ( Citizenship Application) ?

Thanks

Simple, add the time you were seen as a student, then add the date from when you finished being a student to when you obtained PR, mark that as a temporary worker.

 

[Ricky007]

Simple, add the time you were seen as a student, then add the date from when you finished being a student to when you obtained PR, mark that as a temporary worker.

From 30 Jan 2016 to 05 March 2016 (Total 35 days) I was in Implied Status as I was waiting for my Work permit application after my study completed.

Physical presence calculator Online Has only 4 Option :

1. Visitor
2. International Student
3. Temporary Worker
4. Temporary Resident Permit Holder
5. Protected Person

So Which option I should select from 1 to 5 ?

Thanks

 

[Dr_Midnite]

From 30 Jan 2016 to 05 March 2016 (Total 35 days) I was in Implied Status as I was waiting for my Work permit application after my study completed.

Physical presence calculator Online Has only 4 Option :

1. Visitor
2. International Student
3. Temporary Worker
4. Temporary Resident Permit Holder
5. Protected Person

So Which option I should select from 1 to 5 ?

Thanks

Were you working during the 35 days? If yes then you were a temporary worker, if no then you were a visitor

 

[dpenabill]

REMINDER: It is prudent to wait to apply with an additional buffer that exceeds the amount of physical presence credit the applicant has based on implied status pre-PR.

To be clear, this is in ADDITION to what the prospective applicant has already determined to be a comfortable buffer over and above the minimum. Conventional wisdom suggests that EVERY applicant have a buffer, at the very least, of ten days or more. To my view the very least should be a full month, and even then some applicants should wait significantly longer depending on their individual circumstances.

CALCULATING buffer to cover implied status: Most applicants can do the arithmetic in their head. If the prospective applicant has a 36 day period of time during which he or she had implied status, that gives the applicant 18 days credit toward meeting the minimum actual physical presence requirement. Thus, if this applicant has already concluded he or she should be OK applying with, say, a 15 day buffer (I suggest more, twice that, but many are too impatient to wait), add the implied 18 days credit and WAIT to have at least a 33 day buffer before applying. (Again, in my view the minimum buffer should be at least 30 days, and to that I'd round up the credit for implied status and thus add 20 more days, and WAIT to apply with a minimum buffer of at least 50 days.)


EXPLANATION: Among those individual circumstances which suggest an even longer buffer is a physical presence calculation including days in Canada with implied status or relying on days in Canada with visitor status that is not documented by a visitor visa or for those who are visa exempt, by a formal Visitor-Record. Reason for this is that the burden of proof of status is technically on the applicant. So long as the GCMS records for the client document status, this is not an issue. But if the GCMS records do not show status (such as for a visitor who was waived into Canada without being issued a formal Visitor-Record, and many times similarly for a period of time in Canada based on implied status), it appears that IRCC may (perhaps even usually will) conclude there is insufficient proof of status during those periods. Also note that for periods of implied status, in particular, many clients are prone to making mistakes, and since there is no formal documentation of status during those periods of time the client (prospective applicant for citizenship) does not have confirmation.


WHAT IS AT STAKE:

For most prospective applicants, calculating what is a prudent buffer is mostly about giving IRCC decision-makers a comfortable margin and thus reducing the risk of RQ-related non-routine processing. That is, it is mostly about reducing the risk of delays in processing the citizenship application. Waiting longer to apply will OFTEN facilitate getting to the oath sooner. And with less anxiety, less stress.

BUT a buffer may also make the difference in whether the application is DENIED.

The conventional wisdom buffer, at least ten days, is also about having a margin-of-error, enough of a buffer to cover any mistakes made in the physical presence calculation. Remember, since 2015 Canada has had the physical presence requirement and falling short of the requirement by even one day means the individual is NOT qualified and IRCC CANNOT grant citizenship. This forum is rife with applicants who realize, after applying, they left out this or that trip, or made an error in reporting a date of exit (these are very common, too many applicants relying on dates of passport entry stamps into another country as the date of exit, which are often off by a day or two compared to the actual date of exit from Canada). Including applicants who were "100% certain" of their travel history.

The latter especially applies to credit for days in Canada with implied status. If IRCC records do not confirm status and those days are thus deducted from the calculation, unless there is a sufficient buffer to cover those days, the application will fail. MUST fail. (IRCC does not have discretion to waive a shortfall, even by just a day.) A number of forum reports have indicated this happens at the first screening of the application, so the application is returned to the applicant and thus the applicant does not lose the application fees.

 

[sallam_ah]

From 30 Jan 2016 to 05 March 2016 (Total 35 days) I was in Implied Status as I was waiting for my Work permit application after my study completed.

Physical presence calculator Online Has only 4 Option :

1. Visitor
2. International Student
3. Temporary Worker
4. Temporary Resident Permit Holder
5. Protected Person

So Which option I should select from 1 to 5 ?

Thanks

Hi there,

Which option did you select for the implied status in the calculator? and did you have any issues later or did they ask for any proofs for your physical presence in that period?

 

[CasioLottoMax]

Hi there,

Which option did you select for the implied status in the calculator? and did you have any issues later or did they ask for any proofs for your physical presence in that period?

Hi there,

Which option did you select for the implied status in the calculator? and did you have any issues later or did they ask for any proofs for your physical presence in that period?

Just to tell from my experience:
I was on on Work Permit, then Implied Status (while waiting for renewal of Work Permit) and again Work Permit before becoming PR.

In the calculation sheet I chose: Temporary Worker
In the Application Form I chose: Work Permit, Implied Status, Work Permit
I had a buffer of 7 days above the minimum presence requirement.

I took the Oath 2 days ago. I had not a single interaction with IRCC throughout the entire timeline of my application (2019 applicant) and no questions asked. (in my application I attached right away the all pages of my passport, copies of all issued / expired work permits, maybe that helped).

 

[sallam_ah]

Just to tell from my experience:
I was on on Work Permit, then Implied Status (while waiting for renewal of Work Permit) and again Work Permit before becoming PR.

In the calculation sheet I chose: Temporary Worker
In the Application Form I chose: Work Permit, Implied Status, Work Permit
I had a buffer of 7 days above the minimum presence requirement.

I took the Oath 2 days ago. I had not a single interaction with IRCC throughout the entire timeline of my application (2019 applicant) and no questions asked. (in my application I attached right away the all pages of my passport, copies of all issued / expired work permits, maybe that helped).

Congratulations!!! and thanks for your reply.

I have a couple more questions:

1. Did you change your employer during the implied status period, or were not working? (I was not working at that time, that's why i'm confused)

2. Where did you choose (work permit, implied status, work permit) in the application form? there is no cells for such answers in the new form. May be you did your application online or using an old form!

 

[dpenabill]

Congratulations!!! and thanks for your reply.

I have a couple more questions:

1. Did you change your employer during the implied status period, or were not working? (I was not working at that time, that's why i'm confused)

2. Where did you choose (work permit, implied status, work permit) in the application form? there is no cells for such answers in the new form. May be you did your application online or using an old form!

2019 version of CIT 0002 included question 9.b) which asked if the applicant had TRV or Protected Person status before becoming a PR, and if the applicant checked the [yes] box the fillable pdf version gave a chart for filling in status/date obtained/date expired.

This is not included in the 2020 October version of CIT 0002 (which I believe is the form currently in use).

Information regarding time in Canada prior to becoming a PR, but within the five year eligibility period, is now entirely provided in the physical presence calculation.

CAUTION:

There is a tendency in this forum to assert that what someone reports they did without encountering any problems means it is OK to do it that way. There's are serious flaws in such reasoning. All it really means, for sure, is that it MIGHT be OK based on it was OK for at least the one or twenty who report it was OK for them.

Many times, and often that is many more times, there are reports of things not going OK for applicants in similar situations.

See my previous post above about being sure to WAIT to apply with a good buffer. And, when days based on implied status are involved, to WAIT to apply with a buffer that is bigger than the number of days credit for days with implied status. Sure, some applicants will sail smoothly through the process without that much buffer. But many will not. It can vary and will vary considerably from person to person depending on a wide range of factors. In regards to implied status, for example, what the client's GCMS records show regarding dates of status can determine whether IRCC gives credit in the course of routine processing.

Of course, assuming the individual is correct about their implied status, technically the person had continuing TR status during that period of time. And should get the credit toward the citizenship physical presence requirement.

And a PR can force the issue, but that means non-routine processing and likely long delays.

This is not to suggest excluding those days with implied status. Those should be included, reported in the physical presence calculation. But apply with more than enough total credit to fully cover (and I suggest plus some) all those days . . . the reason is to avoid the RISK of

(1) the application being returned if GCMS does not show or indicate the applicant had implied status, AND​

(2) to REDUCE the RISK of non-routine processing (especially RQ related non-routine processing) if there is any concern or doubt about the validity of the applicant's TR status during that period.​

Again: some will be OK without waiting to have such a buffer. But the RISK otherwise is enough that the prudent applicant will wait. Waiting can mean taking the oath sooner.

For every report in this forum about things going fine for someone applying without waiting, there are many more reports from those who wished they waited, some whose application was returned, and many tales of woe about being bogged down in non-routine processing (many blaming IRCC, which does not get them to taking the oath any sooner).

 

[CasioLottoMax]

Congratulations!!! and thanks for your reply.

I have a couple more questions:

1. Did you change your employer during the implied status period, or were not working? (I was not working at that time, that's why i'm confused)

2. Where did you choose (work permit, implied status, work permit) in the application form? there is no cells for such answers in the new form. May be you did your application online or using an old form!

1. I was working as well as at a certain not working. I guess the point is that you have to state under which category you were legally staying in Canada at the concerned period. For me it was Work Permit.

2. Yes as pointed out by the user the 2019 application form included a section 9.b which you could enter details as described above.

 

[Citizenship 2023-October]

REMINDER: It is prudent to wait to apply with an additional buffer that exceeds the amount of physical presence credit the applicant has based on implied status pre-PR.

To be clear, this is in ADDITION to what the prospective applicant has already determined to be a comfortable buffer over and above the minimum. Conventional wisdom suggests that EVERY applicant have a buffer, at the very least, of ten days or more. To my view the very least should be a full month, and even then some applicants should wait significantly longer depending on their individual circumstances.

CALCULATING buffer to cover implied status: Most applicants can do the arithmetic in their head. If the prospective applicant has a 36 day period of time during which he or she had implied status, that gives the applicant 18 days credit toward meeting the minimum actual physical presence requirement. Thus, if this applicant has already concluded he or she should be OK applying with, say, a 15 day buffer (I suggest more, twice that, but many are too impatient to wait), add the implied 18 days credit and WAIT to have at least a 33 day buffer before applying. (Again, in my view the minimum buffer should be at least 30 days, and to that I'd round up the credit for implied status and thus add 20 more days, and WAIT to apply with a minimum buffer of at least 50 days.)


EXPLANATION: Among those individual circumstances which suggest an even longer buffer is a physical presence calculation including days in Canada with implied status or relying on days in Canada with visitor status that is not documented by a visitor visa or for those who are visa exempt, by a formal Visitor-Record. Reason for this is that the burden of proof of status is technically on the applicant. So long as the GCMS records for the client document status, this is not an issue. But if the GCMS records do not show status (such as for a visitor who was waived into Canada without being issued a formal Visitor-Record, and many times similarly for a period of time in Canada based on implied status), it appears that IRCC may (perhaps even usually will) conclude there is insufficient proof of status during those periods. Also note that for periods of implied status, in particular, many clients are prone to making mistakes, and since there is no formal documentation of status during those periods of time the client (prospective applicant for citizenship) does not have confirmation.


WHAT IS AT STAKE:

For most prospective applicants, calculating what is a prudent buffer is mostly about giving IRCC decision-makers a comfortable margin and thus reducing the risk of RQ-related non-routine processing. That is, it is mostly about reducing the risk of delays in processing the citizenship application. Waiting longer to apply will OFTEN facilitate getting to the oath sooner. And with less anxiety, less stress.

BUT a buffer may also make the difference in whether the application is DENIED.

The conventional wisdom buffer, at least ten days, is also about having a margin-of-error, enough of a buffer to cover any mistakes made in the physical presence calculation. Remember, since 2015 Canada has had the physical presence requirement and falling short of the requirement by even one day means the individual is NOT qualified and IRCC CANNOT grant citizenship. This forum is rife with applicants who realize, after applying, they left out this or that trip, or made an error in reporting a date of exit (these are very common, too many applicants relying on dates of passport entry stamps into another country as the date of exit, which are often off by a day or two compared to the actual date of exit from Canada). Including applicants who were "100% certain" of their travel history.

The latter especially applies to credit for days in Canada with implied status. If IRCC records do not confirm status and those days are thus deducted from the calculation, unless there is a sufficient buffer to cover those days, the application will fail. MUST fail. (IRCC does not have discretion to waive a shortfall, even by just a day.) A number of forum reports have indicated this happens at the first screening of the application, so the application is returned to the applicant and thus the applicant does not lose the application fees.

Hello Everyone ,
I am really in a difficult situation. I came to canada with Open work permit and on 2020 I applied to renew the work permit. However it took long time and mean time on 2021 I received my PR while waiting for Renewal of OWP. Now, when i am trying to apply for citizenship online it asks did i apply for open work permit extension if i select yes it asks for date of approval if i select no then thats not true. What should i do ?

 

[Prateek Arora]

Hello Everyone ,
I am really in a difficult situation. I came to canada with Open work permit and on 2020 I applied to renew the work permit. However it took long time and mean time on 2021 I received my PR while waiting for Renewal of OWP. Now, when i am trying to apply for citizenship online it asks did i apply for open work permit extension if i select yes it asks for date of approval if i select no then thats not true. What should i do ?

Hey, we are also in a similar situation and would like to know what you did? Can you please advise or elaborate?

 

[Prateek Arora]

Hello Everyone ,
I am really in a difficult situation. I came to canada with Open work permit and on 2020 I applied to renew the work permit. However it took long time and mean time on 2021 I received my PR while waiting for Renewal of OWP. Now, when i am trying to apply for citizenship online it asks did i apply for open work permit extension if i select yes it asks for date of approval if i select no then thats not true. What should i do ?

 

[Prateek Arora]

Hey we are also in same situation. Can you please advise & tell what you did in this case?

 

[Beautyzino]

Hello everyone,

I would appreciate if someone can help me, I am about applying for my citizenship and I am a bit confused with adding my temporary residence status.

1. came to Canada with a study visa in 2017
2. Renewed study permit in September 2017 - Approved
3. Denied PGWP in April 2018
4. Another study in June 2018
5. PGWP approved 2019
6. Back to study in August 2020 but had my work permit renewed in Feb 2021
7. PR approved in June 2021

Do I start entry dates from 2018 as that’s when my 5 year eligibility period starts? which month in 2018 do I start from?

I have a complex case and I find it confusing when adding my temporary status, please I need urgent help. Thank you all for your reply in advance