PGP 2020

[canuck78]

absolutely! It can’t be unlimited. That’s why they need to add more requirements. If for example I sponsored my parents last year, meet the LICO and expert in typing, how will it be fair to now sponsor my grandparents this year just because? I think that spot should be left for those that want to sponsor their parents.

if and when my parents qualify, they can sponsor their parents.

Agree. Would perhaps limit sponsorship to one parent or grandparent per family group until everyone gets a chance to sponsor at least one group of parents, in-laws or grandparents. Don’t actually think there are many grandparents being sponsored. Also be.ie e that the provinces need to do a better job describing the actual costs. Canadians don’t even know what costs they need to plan for unless they have had to deal with the finances of an elderly relative.

 

[Kelon]

Actually the likelihood of people leaving Canada often increases after they get citizenship. Time in Canada or working in Canada would be a better indicator.

This is fair enough. Whatever works to bring down that 100,000 people! Something, anything has to work to fix the Current broken system

 

[dawn_canada]

Actually the likelihood of people leaving Canada often increases after they get citizenship. Time in Canada or working in Canada would be a better indicator.

I meant this should be first condition, rest can be added or improved further.

1. Canadian Citizen
2. Number of years in Canada
3. Income in Canada to support their family (NOA certificates)

 

[canuck78]

I meant this should be first condition, rest can be added or improved further.

1. Canadian Citizenship
2. Number of years in Canada (NOA certificates)
3. Income in Canada to support their family

Citizenship doesn’t actually matter and sure foreign citizens will sue if they are forced to give up citizenship to sponsor parents so it will never happen. The biggest cost if healthcare so the income/savings of children is not a major factor as long as it hits a certain amount. As a PR you have access to healthcare so you couldn’t say that a PGP applicant could not go into a public nursing home. You could limit them from accessing low income senior programs which many ask about because their parents will not be earning money even if they will.

 

[dawn_canada]

Citizenship doesn’t actually matter and sure foreign citizens will sue if they are forced to give up citizenship to sponsor parents so it will never happen. The biggest cost if healthcare so the income/savings of children is not a major factor as long as it hits a certain amount. As a PR you have access to healthcare so you couldn’t say that a PGP applicant could not go into a public nursing home. You could limit them from accessing low income senior programs which many ask about because their parents will not be earning money even if they will.

At one time you said that government is not bound to sponsor parents, and other time you are saying they can sue. Both statements do not align with your understanding.

If they don't like this enforcement then they can leave the country and can enjoy with their parents in their home country. I don't see legally they can sue the ministry.

 

[nayr69sg]

There are many suggestions on improving the PGP program, I am not sure if there is any formal portal through which we can communicate our suggestions.

I found on canadavisa.com below article for improving PGP program:
https://www.cicnews.com/2019/12/how-to-improve-canadas-parents-and-grandparents-sponsorship-program-in-2020-1213347.html#gs.pe7pkt

Here is main snippet which is worth discussing here:

Parents and Grandparents Human Capital Pilot
One innovation for consideration is introducing a human capital-based approach to managing some PGP applications. The federal government could launch an Economic Class pilot whereby parents and grandparents who are younger in age and have higher levels of education, work experience, and English or French proficiency would get first preference. The pilot would complement the existing PGP Family Class stream and the Super Visa.

One of the reasons the pilot would be novel is that candidates under federal Express Entry-managed programs receive fewer points once they hit a certain age (a candidate gets no points for their age once they turn 45).

Under the Parents and Grandparents Human Capital Pilot, the federal government could welcome up to 2,750 principal applicants per year (the maximum number allowed under a pilot). This figure would likely be more in the neighbourhood of 3,500 parents and grandparents per year since a share of principal applicants would be accompanied by their spouses.

This idea may be unpopular since critics could argue the PGP exists to strengthen Canadian society, not its economy. But this pilot could at least expedite processing for individuals who meet its criteria and would reduce the number of applications submitted to the PGP, which would help to improve PGP processing times.

They way it is described with numbers seems it is internal news and coming as a parallel program to PGP.

It just an article written by someone after reading the ideas that we have put out in this forum. The economic class for PGP system is something I have suggested many times here.

I doubt IRCC will do this. Expect more of a amalgam of previous formats. Eg FiFO but they let people submit interest to sponsor for 1 month. Then it follows the lottery format where over a period of months they will inform those who made the FIFO cut and give them an ITA.

 

[dawn_canada]

Other idea could be if healthcare is burden, and family reunification is government's preference then give conditional PR that parents can live and work here but cannot access public health care of initial 4 years.(As currently in BC and ON there is wait period of 3 months).

 

[nayr69sg]

At one time you said that government is not bound to sponsor parents, and other time you are saying they can sue. Both statements do not align with your understanding.

If they don't like this enforcement then they can leave the country and can enjoy with their parents in their home country. I don't see legally they can sue the ministry.

They can sue. But they might not win.

Anyone can sue anyone for anything really. It is just money. You hire a lawyer and sue someone. You lose the case. Or the case is thrown out. You foot the legal fees incurred.

So people can sue the government. This is Canada. Whether they win or not is a different matter.

 

[dawn_canada]

It just an article written by someone after reading the ideas that we have put out in this forum. The economic class for PGP system is something I have suggested many times here.

I doubt IRCC will do this. Expect more of a amalgam of previous formats. Eg FiFO but they let people submit interest to sponsor for 1 month. Then it follows the lottery format where over a period of months they will inform those who made the FIFO cut and give them an ITA.

If you have suggested this or similar idea previously then hats off to you, I think we should raise this to the government through some channel or open letter to minister some thing like that.

 

[Kelon]

Citizenship doesn’t actually matter and sure foreign citizens will sue if they are forced to give up citizenship to sponsor parents so it will never happen. The biggest cost if healthcare so the income/savings of children is not a major factor as long as it hits a certain amount. As a PR you have access to healthcare so you couldn’t say that a PGP applicant could not go into a public nursing home. You could limit them from accessing low income senior programs which many ask about because their parents will not be earning money even if they will.

I think citizenship matters if they really want those numbers of interest to go down and fair process. That’s the goal!

 

[dawn_canada]

They can sue. But they might not win.

Anyone can sue anyone for anything really. It is just money. You hire a lawyer and sue someone. You lose the case. Or the case is thrown out. You foot the legal fees incurred.

So people can sue the government. This is Canada. Whether they win or not is a different matter.

Off course suing here means winning, not just putting application, this is implied.

 

[nayr69sg]

If you have suggested this or similar idea previously then hats off to you, I think we should raise this to the government through some channel or open letter to minister some thing like that.

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/parents-sponsorship-stop-immigration-lottery.543534/page-3#post-6721241

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/parents-sponsorship-stop-immigration-lottery.543534/page-3#post-6722293


You can read this thread. I posted many suggestions back in 2018.

 

[Kelon]

Citizenship doesn’t actually matter and sure foreign citizens will sue if they are forced to give up citizenship to sponsor parents so it will never happen. The biggest cost if healthcare so the income/savings of children is not a major factor as long as it hits a certain amount. As a PR you have access to healthcare so you couldn’t say that a PGP applicant could not go into a public nursing home. You could limit them from accessing low income senior programs which many ask about because their parents will not be earning money even if they will.

They should sue their home country for not allowing dual citizenship.

 

[nayr69sg]

Off course suing here means winning, not just putting application, this is implied.

Not so simple.

The whole process of a legal suit is draining.

Because you have to respond and defend yourself. This is something people would prefer not to go through.

On a smaller scale think of it as a customer complaining to the manager or company about a particular staff. The complaint could be totally nonsense and based on fabricated events. But the staff has to answer. The company has to investigate and respond.

They are called vexatious complaints. There are also vexatious lawsuits.

 

[dawn_canada]

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/parents-sponsorship-stop-immigration-lottery.543534/page-3#post-6721241

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/parents-sponsorship-stop-immigration-lottery.543534/page-3#post-6722293


You can read this thread. I posted many suggestions back in 2018.

We should find a way to bring this to the Minster of Immigration to consider this, when sponsoring person takes the responsibility of his parents financially and its health-care then what is hurdle in given them visa. Agree with you!