Please Help! Got refused for PR

[1993lbs]

Hi,

I just got refused for PR application yesterday. The reason was stated that:

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) invited you to apply for permanent resident status based on the qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. In your Express Entry profile you indicated 2 year diploma program at LaSalle College for Fashion Merchandising Diploma Program. At ITA you declared the Canadian education giving an additional 15 points under MI30(1). However, after reviewing your assessment, I note that LaSalle College is a registered institution however the Program of Fashion Merchandising is not a recognized degree for CEC program.

So I have 2 degrees: a bachelor from US and a diploma from Canada. I claimed for 2 or more degree and canada education points. On CIC web, it shows the requirements were “study in Canada for a program longer than 8 months..” and I think my diploma program met whatever they stated on CIC web. I dont know why I got rejected for this?

Has anyone experienced the same situation before? How did you solve this? PLEASE HELP!! THANK YOU !

 

[Hassan89]

What is ur CRS with bachelor only ?

 

[1993lbs]

What is ur CRS with bachelor only ?

Its 438 with bachelor only. And 473 with both ..

I also check on my school website, the program is approved by minister.. something. I dont think its not registered as CIC said.
Is there anyway I can ask CIC to reconsider my application?

 

[Gabrielmsf]

Can you provide the full rejection letter? (Removing your personal information of course)

 

[1993lbs]

Can you provide the full rejection letter? (Removing your personal information of course)

I quoted pretty much the main part above. The rest were just general like other refusal letters.

 

[Gabrielmsf]

I quoted pretty much the main part above. The rest were just general like other refusal letters.

What i want to understand is if they removed only 15 points or the entire education. I believe your case is just like the case on the following thread: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/pr-application-refused.667237/

You can find your answers there

 

[1993lbs]

What i want to understand is if they removed only 15 points or the entire education. I believe your case is just like the case on the following thread: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/pr-application-refused.667237/

You can find your answers there

Hi,

I claimed for the education level as “Two or more degrees/diploma with 1 degree is 3+ year program”. I also claimed for Canadian education as my 2 year Fashion Merchandising diploma was from LaSalle College in vancouver.

My total CRS score was 473.

VO refused my PR application because LaSalle is registered school but the program is not recognized degree for CEC .
VO change my CRS score to 438.
They cut 25 points, which means I can claim for level of education as “bachelor degree” only..

HOWEVER, This is what I just check from CIC web :
4) What is your level of education?

Enter the highest level of education for which you:

• earned a Canadian degree, diploma or certificate or
• had an Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) if you did your study outside Canada. (ECAs must be from an approved agency, in the last five years)

Note: a Canadian degree, diploma or certificate must either have been earned at an accredited Canadian university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute in Canada. Distance learning counts for education points, but not for bonus points in your profile or application.

So Can I claim for “Two or more degree “ still?
Im so confused

 

[Gabrielmsf]

Hi,

I claimed for the education level as “Two or more degrees/diploma with 1 degree is 3+ year program”. I also claimed for Canadian education as my 2 year Fashion Merchandising diploma was from LaSalle College in vancouver.

My total CRS score was 473.

VO refused my PR application because LaSalle is registered school but the program is not recognized degree for CEC .
VO change my CRS score to 438.
They cut 25 points, which means I can claim for level of education as “bachelor degree” only..

HOWEVER, This is what I just check from CIC web :
4) What is your level of education?

Enter the highest level of education for which you:

• earned a Canadian degree, diploma or certificate or
• had an Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) if you did your study outside Canada. (ECAs must be from an approved agency, in the last five years)

Note: a Canadian degree, diploma or certificate must either have been earned at an accredited Canadian university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute in Canada. Distance learning counts for education points, but not for bonus points in your profile or application.

So Can I claim for “Two or more degree “ still?
Im so confused

This is my biggest grip right now.

When you make an application you're asked if your school follows the same regulations of public institutions and yadda yadda. I answered "No".
I did NOT get the extra points for Canadian experience, but the system DID award me with points for two or more degrees.

This requirement about being an "Eligible" institution is also only present in the regulation at the part where they talk about the extra points as well, which makes things even more confusing.

I know that some people in the past were able to get points for private institutions, so I'm wondering if it depends on the officer that you get...

 

[1993lbs]

This is my biggest grip right now.

When you make an application you're asked if your school follows the same regulations of public institutions and yadda yadda. I answered "No".
I did NOT get the extra points for Canadian experience, but the system DID award me with points for two or more degrees.

This requirement about being an "Eligible" institution is also only present in the regulation at the part where they talk about the extra points as well, which makes things even more confusing.

I know that some people in the past were able to get points for private institutions, so I'm wondering if it depends on the officer that you get...

Agree. Im so confused about how they award the points.. I think I can claim for two or more degree because I do have 2.

Maybe I cannot claim for Canadian education, but for 2 or more degrees, i dont see why they took off the points from my application..

OMG just so confusing.

Btw do you know how can I request CIC ro reconsider my application? I dont know where to find their email to request

 

[1993lbs]

Oh, and btw, my program was Fashion merchandising (listed on diploma).
However, the school changed it to new name as Fashion marketing now.

Maybe that’s why VO said the FM program is not registered?

 

[Gabrielmsf]

Agree. Im so confused about how they award the points.. I think I can claim for two or more degree because I do have 2.

Maybe I cannot claim for Canadian education, but for 2 or more degrees, i dont see why they took off the points from my application..

OMG just so confusing.

Btw do you know how can I request CIC ro reconsider my application? I dont know where to find their email to request

From what I could gather you need to send a webform, but I'm not completely sure.
Maybe https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/contacts/web-form.asp

If you had lost only the 15 points, would you meet the cutoff score?

 

[1993lbs]

From what I could gather you need to send a webform, but I'm not completely sure.
Maybe https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/contacts/web-form.asp

If you had lost only the 15 points, would you meet the cutoff score?

No, cut off was 459. They cut me down to 438 from 473.. that was why i got refused..

They cut the points of 2 degree and Canadian education..

 

[Gabrielmsf]

No, cut off was 459. They cut me down to 438 from 473.. that was why i got refused..

They cut the points of 2 degree and Canadian education..

In this case I'm afraid appealing might not help...

If you were only 15 points short I would tell you to give it a try as the rule is really confusing, but going by IRCC website, the only courses at LaSalle College that are eligible are the following:

• Bachelor of Design in Graphic Design
• Bachelor of Applied Design in Interior Design
• Bachelor of Science in Game Programming
• Bachelor of Design in Fashion Design

You can check it at https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/prepare/designated-learning-institutions-list.html

Basically if a course gives a PGWP it is eligible for the extra Canadian education points and vice versa.

You can reapply without claiming the extra Canadian education points though, but can't say if this will work out or not as I did not receive an answer on my situation yet...

 

[1993lbs]

In this case I'm afraid appealing might not help...

If you were only 15 points short I would tell you to give it a try as the rule is really confusing, but going by IRCC website, the only courses at LaSalle College that are eligible are the following:

• Bachelor of Design in Graphic Design
• Bachelor of Applied Design in Interior Design
• Bachelor of Science in Game Programming
• Bachelor of Design in Fashion Design

You can check it at https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/prepare/designated-learning-institutions-list.html

Basically if a course gives a PGWP it is eligible for the extra Canadian education points and vice versa.

You can reapply without claiming the extra Canadian education points though, but can't say if this will work out or not as I did not receive an answer on my situation yet...

I cant find any information about only courses eligible for PGWP can claim for Canadian education point though..
It also doesnt make sense, because what if someone take a program, which is not eligible for PGWP. But then they leave canada after grad, and work somewhere else for few years, they can still apply for PR and claim for the points of their degree, which they gained in Canada ?!? Hmm..

I also called CIC and the lady was also said she never heard of any requirements for the program except what were listed on CIC website (program must be longer than 8 months, private school operates under same rules w public school, etc.) .. she was also confused and couldnt give me the reason why i got refused. She suggested me to send a web form to the VO, but there is very rare chance he will reopen and he can take very long time to reconsider blah blah..

OMG, i think not many people had same problem like mine.. it’s extremely hard to find any information for this. Even for CEC requirements for Canada education as well.. whatever i found on google (I literally spent 2 days to research) all showed that my diploma met all requirements.....

 

[Gabrielmsf]

I cant find any information about only courses eligible for PGWP can claim for Canadian education point though..
It also doesnt make sense, because what if someone take a program, which is not eligible for PGWP. But then they leave canada after grad, and work somewhere else for few years, they can still apply for PR and claim for the points of their degree, which they gained in Canada ?!? Hmm..

I also called CIC and the lady was also said she never heard of any requirements for the program except what were listed on CIC website (program must be longer than 8 months, private school operates under same rules w public school, etc.) .. she was also confused and couldnt give me the reason why i got refused. She suggested me to send a web form to the VO, but there is very rare chance he will reopen and he can take very long time to reconsider blah blah..

OMG, i think not many people had same problem like mine.. it’s extremely hard to find any information for this. Even for CEC requirements for Canada education as well.. whatever i found on google (I literally spent 2 days to research) all showed that my diploma met all requirements.....

A word of advice, I wouldn't trust blindly what the people at CIC says over the phone. I've seen some of them spread a fair share of misinformation.

I also do not want to burst your bubble in any way, and I wanted to be proved wrong on this, but the eligibility criteria for the extra canadian education points is pretty clear on: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-application-management-system.html?fbclid=IwAR03XjfgDCUlolhGO3v1Jgi-qoDFNBowmaKmj_xpHemYAPOyEjKvlN7RHOM

Eligible credentials
(4) For the purpose of this section, an eligible credential is one of the following:
(a) a degree, diploma, certificate or trade or apprenticeship credential from a Canadian public post-secondary institution or from a Canadian private post-secondary institution that operated under the same rules and regulations as a Canadian public post-secondary institution;
(b) a diplôme d’études professionnelles (DEP) or an attestation de spécialisation professionnelle (ASP) earned through a program of study of at least 900 hours from a private secondary or post-secondary institution in Quebec; or
(c) a Bachelor’s, Master’s or doctoral degree from a Canadian private post-secondary institution, if a provincial statute authorizes that institution to confer that credential.​

Your diploma is not a bachelor's, master's or doctoral degree and your private post-secondary institution likely does not follow the same rules and regulations as public ones (I'm still to find a institution that does).

So when the officer says that your degree is not eligible, this is what he means.