IMO...it doesn’t make sense to order the notes now except if you want to order it for educational purposes lol. Wait another two weeks and call again.
December 2018 AOR - join here
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Yeah I guess it depends on each one's experience and what language one originally speaks.Entertaining post there, @Peacekeeper87! Look, I'd be the last person to say that French is easy to learn. It is a very difficult language to learn, but can we also appreciate for a minute how hard it is to learn English as a second or third language? In my humble opinion, English is the hardest language of them all to master. A lot of people may have a reasonable foundation in English because it is so ubiquitous and hard to avoid. Yet, few who learn it as a second language truly cross over to being near-native fluent in it.
If we compare the two, French is simply not as rich as English. There are sometimes only one or two ways of expressing certain things in French for, say, five or six in English, and this is because English takes from everything around it - Latin, Italian, French and German chiefly, but there are many more strong influences. It continues to grow and absorb from every language in the world and is likely the only truly dynamic language. No other language has the same level of idiomatic or lexical diversity and depth, in my opinion.
English grammar is also full of exceptions and pitfalls that stump even native speakers. It's true that learning to conjugate in any of the Romance languages is a major pain in the a$$, but a lot of people don't realize that English, too, has the subjunctive. Some examples: a) I wish I were faster than he. b) I insist that he leave my house. c) That he drink milk is necessary for him to grow. To an extent you could argue that the subjunctive and other such idiosyncrasies of the English language are dying out because of informal or incorrect use by native speakers.
As for pronunciation, English is just all over the place. Words like "four" and "dour" are not pronounced the same, nor are "low" and "cow", or "foot" and "loot" ("loot" is actually borrowed from Hindi via Sanskrit). And what about homographs (words that are spelled the same but have different meanings and pronunciations) like "bow" or "row" (noun v. verb). French, on the other hand, is more likely to have defined phonetic exceptions -- never pronouncing the 'ent' at the end of third person plural conjugations is a good example. English is wild and unruly in this sense. Scandinavians, for instance, speak near flawless English as a second language - even their accents are quite American - yet, I know few Scandinavians that wouldn't trip up on pronunciation every few sentences.
I really should stop here, but thank you for giving me the opportunity to rant about languages, hahaha!
However, being exposed to both of them at a very early age, I personally found English to be a walk in the park.
No accents. No gender. No auxiliaries. No verb Groups! and come on... there are even rules and exceptions for words and verbs when borrowed from other language for god sake
And what's up with "Qu'est ce que c'est que ça"? Oh, and "You" is "You" in English. In French, it can either be "Tu" if informal, and "Vous" if formal, each one with its rules of conjugation, grammar, and set of exceptions... That might not seem big, but imagine a 100% beginner.You gotta say that for someone to fully master French, one either needs to have been regularly exposed to it early in life, or had deep integration with native speakers for a long time. I come from a country where English is very far from even being the 2nd language. But with basic speaking skills, I swear I've had friends pick it up through 4 years of college, Netflix binge-watching, and now speak it fluently! Movies and shows are how I picked up on English actually... Can't really do that with French, because you simple cannot "hear" the conjugation, or whether the word takes an "S" at the end.
After going to French school my whole life, I today sometimes still have to look up whether this or that verb takes an "S" at the end
Just to be 100% sure. Man you just don't have that in English!I do agree with the idea that English is a dynamic language, and I believe that's exactly what makes it accessible to many tongues, because it's very international and open. French on the other hand will not accept a single rule unless it was approved by 'L'Académie Française", a self-proclaimed guardian of French authenticity.
They are extremely reluctant to change, and are unruly when it comes to adapting to today's world. English on the other hand, it's constantly evolving along with the mass!But besides grammar, I really think English has a major advantage. Real-life usability and adaptability...
I mean English sure has its little grammar gimmicks here and there like any other language, but they are not that often respected and nobody will ever look at you in a weird way because you said "I wish I was faster' rather than "I wish I were faster". Go to Paris and say "J'aurais aimé été plus rapide"
See the looks you'll have to face...English speakers are very tolerant to twisting some rules here and there to adapt old ways of saying things, and just talk how it makes sense the most. French... not really.
Just look at how they are intolerant to Quebec French when used in France. They look at them like they come straight from a freak show.
The way French people simply pretend to not understand you when you make a mistake, makes mastering the language even harder. I've had many friends struggle with it...
About homographs and homonymes, I guess they are just common to any latin-based language.
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Ok, progress is surely seen
I have not called them yet, ordered gcms a week ago. Raised a webform in 1st week of march, it said eligibility not started.
Lets see!!
Hi guys,
Seeing everybody get PPR's here got me bit confused. I got my AOR on 18th Dec, Medicals passed on 31st Jan and no updates whatsoever after that (although I've not been very actively checking for ghost updates, It's possible that I might have missed it).
My profile says even the background check is not yet started. Is there anything I should be doing or is it normal timeline and wait for few more weeks ? Any suggestions ? I don't mind waiting, but don't want to miss out on something obvious.
My profile: Indian Citizen, living in USA(San Fransisco), no dependents. My current company has office in Vancouver (bit did not get LIMA as my CRS score was sufficient for ITA) and plan to move there as soon as I can.
Seeing everybody get PPR's here got me bit confused. I got my AOR on 18th Dec, Medicals passed on 31st Jan and no updates whatsoever after that (although I've not been very actively checking for ghost updates, It's possible that I might have missed it).
My profile says even the background check is not yet started. Is there anything I should be doing or is it normal timeline and wait for few more weeks ? Any suggestions ? I don't mind waiting, but don't want to miss out on something obvious.
My profile: Indian Citizen, living in USA(San Fransisco), no dependents. My current company has office in Vancouver (bit did not get LIMA as my CRS score was sufficient for ITA) and plan to move there as soon as I can.
Same boat. My case is quite simple and straightforward, I don't know why it takes them so long. I didn't travel too much, out of home country for only 1 time for travel. There is no foreign work experience in home country so there is nothing to check, only have Candian work experience. The criminal and security I think they already checked it 5 years ago when I applied for student visa to come to Canada, and I didn't return home or out of Canada since I came here. Hopefully, they do not start checking it all over again
ramanbhatti
Hero Member
- Mar 16, 2018
- 249
- 34
- Category........
- FSW
- Visa Office......
- Ottawa
- NOC Code......
- 0124
- App. Filed.......
- 30-11-2018
- AOR Received.
- 1-12-2018
- Med's Done....
- 11-01-2019
- Passport Req..
- 05-07-2019
Officially crossed 4 months today..1 DEC AOR.... no updates... Most of the people with 1dec AOR are on IP2 and i am still waiting...now i am getting frustrated
One thing in French: Gender. That alone makes it infinitely harder than genderless languages.Yeah I guess it depends on each one's experience and what language one originally speaks.
However, being exposed to both of them at a very early age, I personally found English to be a walk in the park.
No accents. No gender. No auxiliaries. No verb Groups! and come on... there are even rules and exceptions for words and verbs when borrowed from other language for god sake
You gotta say that for someone to fully master French, one either needs to have been regularly exposed to it early in life, or had deep integration with native speakers for a long time. I come from a country where English is very far from even being the 2nd language. But with basic speaking skills, I swear I've had friends pick it up through 4 years of college, Netflix binge-watching, and now speak it fluently! Movies and shows are how I picked up on English actually... Can't really do that with French, because you simple cannot "hear" the conjugation, or whether the word takes an "S" at the end.
After going to French school my whole life, I today sometimes still have to look up whether this or that verb takes an "S" at the end
I do agree with the idea that English is a dynamic language, and I believe that's exactly what makes it accessible to many tongues, because it's very international and open. French on the other hand will not accept a single rule unless it was approved by 'L'Académie Française", a self-proclaimed guardian of French authenticity.
But besides grammar, I really think English has a major advantage. Real-life usability and adaptability...
I mean English sure has its little grammar gimmicks here and there like any other language, but they are not that often respected and nobody will ever look at you in a weird way because you said "I wish I was faster' rather than "I wish I were faster". Go to Paris and say "J'aurais aimé été plus rapide"
English speakers are very tolerant to twisting some rules here and there to adapt old ways of saying things, and just talk how it makes sense the most. French... not really.
Just look at how they are intolerant to Quebec French when used in France. They look at them like they come straight from a freak show.
The way French people simply pretend to not understand you when you make a mistake, makes mastering the language even harder. I've had many friends struggle with it...
About homographs and homonymes, I guess they are just common to any latin-based language.
Dont worry Raman, I have 14th Dec 2018 AOR and am still on IP1. I will complete 4 months in 14 days.Officially crossed 4 months today..1 DEC AOR.... no updates... Most of the people with 1dec AOR are on IP2 and i am still waiting...now i am getting frustrated
My case is exactly like you, only canadian experience and 2 times travels and never even left Canada since I came here, I don't know what they are doing! May I ask you when was ur AOR? and do you have any idea what's ur visa office?
My AOR Dec 17th, I have no idea where my visa office is, already ordered GCMS to find which office.
104 days passed and there is no single update even one since MEP.
Hello guys, I am so very anxious bout wht wous be the outcome of my application, but i just wonder, has they been enough information about anyone who has progressed beyond biometrics and medpass that has been rejected under the FSW EE program? If you have first hand information please share.
Garima2703
Star Member
- Jan 4, 2019
- 65
- 34
- Visa Office......
- Ottawa
- NOC Code......
- 2174
- App. Filed.......
- 01-12-2018
- AOR Received.
- 01-12-2018
Hey...don't worry.. i am also AOR 1 Dec and have seen no progress after MEP (13 Jan 2019). I guess, our patience is under test.Officially crossed 4 months today..1 DEC AOR.... no updates... Most of the people with 1dec AOR are on IP2 and i am still waiting...now i am getting frustrated