RQ versus Physical Presence Questionnaires, including CIT 0205
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Sorry to see you are among the selected. But thank you for your detailed accounting of what is requested. Even though it is largely the same as others have now reported, it is helpful to get this level of detail and to have corroborating reports.
We are now getting a more clear picture of the WHAT in the PPQ-QAE procedure. There is little indication, in contrast, of the WHY . . . the communication from IRCC says this is "random," but whether that means it is truly a blind draw of any application from all applications, or whether IRCC is screening applications according to some specified criteria, is NOT certain. And many suspect it is not a blind draw from all applications.
The "WHAT" will not illuminate the "WHY" but if there are differences in the WHAT, if what some applicants are asked to provide in conjunction with the PPQ (CIT 0205) differs from what others are asked to provide, that would at least suggest some criteria is employed.
THUS, HERE IS A QUERY for all those who so far have received the PPQ-QAE:
In addition to confirming that the questionnaire form received is CIT 0205 titled "Physical Presence Questionnaire - Quality Assurance Exercise" please confirm which, if any, of the following was NOT received as part of the PPQ-QAE:
- FP request
- Canadian citizen reference form
- Consent for U.S. travel history disclosure form
- An appendix listing required documents, including
- Passports
- Entry/Exit records from other countries
- Provincial Health Claim Summary
- Applicable documents related to residence, school, work, or business
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If everyone is receiving precisely the same requests that will NOT confirm for sure this really is a RANDOMLY imposed procedure, but if there are significant differences in what affected applicants are asked to provide, that would tend to indicate there is some criteria involved.
CAVEAT: Unfortunately this is the kind of procedure IRCC tends to be secretive about and even though it has been in play for some time, suddenly many many more applicants are getting this. Which is to say we are probably in the early stages of this escalated scrutiny. Which is to recognize that those of you who are now going through this, will go through this with little information about how IRCC is in practice handling these cases. IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO LEARN HOW THINGS WILL GO IN THIS PROCESS.
When CIC implemented the pre-test RQ program in 2012, for example, it took three to four months just to get a grasp on the scope of what CIC was doing, and much longer to see how it was going to go for those applicants affected (my guess at the time was way off, it ended up taking CIC many, many months longer to handle qualified applicants than I had guessed it would).
Another PPQ recipient query from other thread:
My response in that thread:
cherif2100
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- Mar 1, 2012
- 27
- Visa Office......
- Beirut
- NOC Code......
- 3012
- App. Filed.......
- 2011/11/21
- Doc's Request.
- 2012 / 07 /10
- Nomination.....
- 2012/10/ 06
- AOR Received.
- 2012 /12 / 19
- File Transfer...
- 2013 to bucharest
- Med's Request
- 2013/09/24
- Med's Done....
- 27-SEP-2013 // in process 9 Nov
- Interview........
- 2012/11/21
- Passport Req..
- 2014/04/15
- VISA ISSUED...
- 2014/04/23
- LANDED..........
- 2014/05/14
• document number for a renewed passport would be the number provided on the bio page or only the number mentioned on the renewal page ? Noting that the number of the bio page is the one showing at the bottom of all the pages... thanks!
I am not sure what this question is about.
Note, for example, that the passport information submitted in response to PPQ should be the SAME as was provided in Item 14 in the current application form (application form also asks for place of issue).
(PPQ appendix also instructs applicant to submit photocopies of ALL pages of all relevant passports.)
Obviously, if there is a difference between the passport information submitted in the application (CIT 0002 (10-2017), Item 14, versus the PPQ (CIT 0205 (11-2017), Item 5, what is different should be acknowledged and explained on a separate page.
The passport number, or "document" number, should be fairly obvious. Most passports specifically identify this number as the passport number and it is also embedded in a machine readable string.
Some general observations:
Obviously, the "document number" depends on the particular document. While almost all passports are structured according to certain uniform international standards, there are nonetheless variations possible from country to country. The location or designation of the document number for a passport can thus vary some depending on which country issued it, but generally it should be easily identified.
Most passports I am familiar with specifically reference the "Passport No." (in respective language) in the upper right corner of the bio page (upper right relative to position held reading the bio page, which is often perpendicular to the other pages) and also have that number embedded in a machine-readable string along the bottom. This number is not shown on other pages in the passports I am familiar with (noting again, passports vary some from country to country).
Renewed or Extended Passports:
Generally, there is a difference between a renewed passport which involves being issued a new passport (which typically but not necessarily will mean a new document number), versus a type of renewed passport which is renewed by making an addition or modification to it (possibly included added pages). Or, otherwise extending a passport's validity which similarly involves a modification or addition to the existing passport in effect making it valid to a future date beyond the original expiry date. This is more likely to involve variations from country to country than how the passport number (document number) is designated and displayed.
Generally, an addition to a document, including a passport, does not change the document number.
Just keeping up with other forum participants reporting the PPQ-QAE, to the extent I notice them:
If you see this, and are willing, can you confirm that your PPQ included all of the following in addition to the PPQ form itself (CIT 0205) and the FP request:No idea. For me status is still IP even though i received PPQ/RQ/FP.there is no 4th line for me.
my fingerprint agency had no option to send directly to IRCC. so RCMP send FP certificate to me. i have to post all my docs together including PPQ/RQ and FP, etc..etc..
- Canadian citizen reference form
- Consent for U.S. travel history disclosure form
- An appendix listing required documents, including
- Passports
- Entry/Exit records from other countries
- Provincial Health Claim Summary
- Applicable documents related to residence, school, work, or business
Appreciated.
More in effort to keep up-to-date with forum participants reporting the PPQ-QAE -- this is another applicant who applied BEFORE the changes taking effect October 11, 2017, who received what appears to be the PPQ-QAE package.
I responded in the other topic.
1. Any idea how long the US retains travel history going backwards?
2. Does the US travel history refers to I-94 or IRCC will get a different certificate of travel movement? if different, is the scope of travel coverage the same as in I-94 or is it possible that each of them renders different travel movements?
There are others in the forum who are far more acquainted with the U.S. Travel History and how to obtain it.
Additionally, there are other threads in which travel history is the subject of discussion, including some in which U.S. Travel History is the focus of discussion.
Good to see reports about progress in dealing with this process, and it should indeed help if those affected can update the forum periodically.
It would be especially helpful for those affected to report being scheduled for the test and interview, if and when that happens of course. IRCC has stated that applicants subject to this procedure should not see any delay in processing. Whether that is even possible remains to be seen.
As for contacting IRCC to check if a submission has been received, unless the applicant has some reason to be concerned about delivery there is little reason to contact IRCC to confirm receipt. While it should make little difference, remember than any contact about the case file in particular results in a notation of the action in the file . . . so a reviewing agent will see every occasion the applicant made a case specific contact. That should not affect decision-making much, if at all, but some might perceive that applicants with reason to be confident about their case are less likely to be concerned, and the converse for those with reason to lack confidence . . . and go looking to find the weakness that undermines the applicant's confidence. Again, not likely to raise a red flag but most applicants prefer to totally minimize the risk of drawing unwanted attention to their application.
REMINDERS:
-- Always make a full and accurate copy of what is being submitted before submitting it. Inconvenient, yes. But there are many reasons for doing this.
-- Use a courier service with tracking to submit. Not necessary to use registered service; no need to obtain a signature upon deliver. But using a courier service with tracking sufficiently increases the already high probability the package is delivered, and the applicant can confirm delivery without making a case specific inquiry to IRCC.
I overlooked another forum participant reporting PPQ-QAE (recent post quoted here, and then some older posts posted below):
IRCC can engage in an active investigation, including making telephone contact or such. Whether they will do so for one past landlord, that seems less than likely but possible. Main thing is whether there is something in your information, or the absence of information or documentation, which leads IRCC to have overt suspicions. If there is nothing to make IRCC suspect you have misrepresented your address or time in Canada, the odds of that kind of probing are probably small.
My response there:
Other posts (in other topics) relevant to reported PPQ by @Chai_to_Double-double
What will suffice is a huge question with many subparts, many contingencies. Credit card statements alone are not likely to suffice, but what matters is whether the other information and documentation complete a picture showing where you lived, where you worked or went to school, a paper trail of a life being lived in Canada.
IRCC can engage in an active investigation, including making telephone contact or such. Whether they will do so for one past landlord, that seems less than likely but possible. Main thing is whether there is something in your information, or the absence of information or documentation, which leads IRCC to have overt suspicions. If there is nothing to make IRCC suspect you have misrepresented your address or time in Canada, the odds of that kind of probing are probably small.
From another topic, another victim:
My guess is you received the same collection of requests as others who have received the PPQ-QAE (CIT 0205 plus additional requests), and thus you probably received a consent form allowing IRCC to directly access your U.S. Travel History from the U.S. If so, if you also got this consent form for the U.S., sign and submit that, no need to submit a travel history from the U.S. UNLESS there is a specific request for the U.S. travel history.
As discussed above, the applicant needs to make a concerted, diligent effort to submit what he or she can. But of course applicants cannot submit what they do not have and cannot REASONABLY obtain. I am not familiar with what it would take to obtain a record of movement from Iran, or whether one can be obtained at all. But, if it is not possible to obtain one through a reasonable effort IN CANADA, the applicant can and should explain that. IRCC knows what it takes to obtain Travel History or Record of Movement from other countries. So as long as your explanation is truthful, that it is true you cannot reasonably obtain the record IN CANADA, that should suffice. Obviously, while an applicant may be obligated to diligently make a genuine request for documents from other government bodies, including foreign governments, an applicant cannot reasonably be obligated to travel abroad for that purpose and almost certainly would not be expected to do that. But, again, IRCC is acquainted with how individuals can obtain such records, if they can be obtained.
Beyond that, perhaps read much of the discussion in previous posts and if you still have questions, come back and ask.
And if you could provide some detail, at least in confirming or not confirming you received what most others are reporting they received with the CIT 0205 PPQ-QAE, that would help the forum advance its understanding of this profoundly intrusive and inconvenient process.
See discussion in many posts above.
My guess is you received the same collection of requests as others who have received the PPQ-QAE (CIT 0205 plus additional requests), and thus you probably received a consent form allowing IRCC to directly access your U.S. Travel History from the U.S. If so, if you also got this consent form for the U.S., sign and submit that, no need to submit a travel history from the U.S. UNLESS there is a specific request for the U.S. travel history.
As discussed above, the applicant needs to make a concerted, diligent effort to submit what he or she can. But of course applicants cannot submit what they do not have and cannot REASONABLY obtain. I am not familiar with what it would take to obtain a record of movement from Iran, or whether one can be obtained at all. But, if it is not possible to obtain one through a reasonable effort IN CANADA, the applicant can and should explain that. IRCC knows what it takes to obtain Travel History or Record of Movement from other countries. So as long as your explanation is truthful, that it is true you cannot reasonably obtain the record IN CANADA, that should suffice. Obviously, while an applicant may be obligated to diligently make a genuine request for documents from other government bodies, including foreign governments, an applicant cannot reasonably be obligated to travel abroad for that purpose and almost certainly would not be expected to do that. But, again, IRCC is acquainted with how individuals can obtain such records, if they can be obtained.
Beyond that, perhaps read much of the discussion in previous posts and if you still have questions, come back and ask.
And if you could provide some detail, at least in confirming or not confirming you received what most others are reporting they received with the CIT 0205 PPQ-QAE, that would help the forum advance its understanding of this profoundly intrusive and inconvenient process.