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Miraclejj

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I don't want to go comparing what other countries are doing. They have their own history and political systems and agendas. Yes, if you simply look at it in terms of how many Visas they issue and how long it takes to get some kind of status into the country, Canada's might seem like a super easy system.

I'd rather concentrate on what is happening in this system, since I and people on this forum are stuck in this system.

I realize that US citizens seem to take longer to get processed now. But really, it should take as long as it should take based on criteria all people should be scrutinized under this program and steps. If you start talking about US citizens should get some preferential treatment because the majority don't go through arranged marriages as is customary in some countries in Asia or other places/religious groups etc and that their cases are more "straightforward" because they are our neighbours, then I don't agree. No matter what country you come from, if your case is "simple" no relationship complications, criminal/security issues, less things to scrutinize, then it should take a shorter time. This is fair. I think what was not fair for some US citizens with "simpler cases" which stretched out their processing times was the changes they made the change from processing in Ottawa to going back to being processed in Mississauga (I don't know exactly), or at least that appeared to be the case and many got stuck in the not getting transferred mode and no processing was being done because they were trying to figure out how to deal with backlogs, IDK. The same thing happened to my case with the background check, which they started at Mississauga and then this caused more delays because they didn't communicate well with the VO since they changed the way they did things and might have caused delay in them asking for my RCMP Report since the VO usually requests this and it said in my GCMS notes that it was requested but Mississauga didn't send the email and neither did the VO. There seemed to be some confusion on both their parts by changing the way things were done, ironically maybe in their attempt to alleviate backlogs and make things go faster.

Honestly every VO has backlogs, which I know about all too well as Mexico, our VO is now processing applicants from 22 or 23 different countries and I see that they are still closing more VO's and sending those applicants to Mexico.

I just want to see a system where all VO's are using the same standards to process applicants, which to me is another big thing making this system unfair. I wonder if our app had been processed at a different VO, maybe I would have been done long ago? That would be an interesting scenario to investigate.
The US applicants historically had less processing time isn't because US is Canada's neighbor, the main factors are there is fewer applicants compare with other countries and much lower rates of fraudulent. And plus it is much easier to obtain all necessary materials for CIC to conduct backgrund check. Obviously, the current change made them waiting longer is because CIC reallocate the limited resources to process applications from other countries.
On the other token, don't you think the applicants themselves is part of the reason that their applications were stuck longer as it should be? I have read so many cases that if the applicants just being a little more patient to gather more proofs or being completely honest to fill their applications, then their cases maybe either processed much faster or at least reduced the risks to be denied to certain level. But the reality is the opposite. Don't you think they are part of the reason that it drags everybody's processing time longer, because VOs will dedicate much more time on those cases?
For my own case, I spent 6 months to do my homework to prepare my application. After I discovered here, I read all cases from the thread that all appellant went there. I need to know for what reason that they got denied and for what lesson that I can learn from them. It actually helped. So I scrapped all the forms I already filled, and started from the scratch. I even retained a lawyer for my case, for what I believe that a third person, the outsider, will let me know if my case is strong enough. That helped too. And yes, my case will be processed by CPC-Miss, instead of my local VO, HK, and for what I have been told it is because CIC believed that my case is a straight forward case. To be honest, if I rushed and submit my first version, my case probably will be end to HK. And a possible interview may be needed.
 

majesty

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Feb 10, 2017
782
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Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mexico
App. Filed.......
25-01-2017
AOR Received.
23-02-2017 (AOR 1); 26-05-2017 (AOR2)
File Transfer...
13/03/2017
Med's Done....
30-07-2016 (Passed)
The US applicants historically had less processing time isn't because US is Canada's neighbor, the main factors are there is fewer applicants compare with other countries and much lower rates of fraudulent. And plus it is much easier to obtain all necessary materials for CIC to conduct backgrund check. Obviously, the current change made them waiting longer is because CIC reallocate the limited resources to process applications from other countries.
On the other token, don't you think the applicants themselves is part of the reason that their applications were stuck longer as it should be? I have read so many cases that if the applicants just being a little more patient to gather more proofs or being completely honest to fill their applications, then their cases maybe either processed much faster or at least reduced the risks to be denied to certain level. But the reality is the opposite. Don't you think they are part of the reason that it drags everybody's processing time longer, because VOs will dedicate much more time on those cases?
For my own case, I spent 6 months to do my homework to prepare my application. After I discovered here, I read all cases from the thread that all appellant went there. I need to know for what reason that they got denied and for what lesson that I can learn from them. It actually helped. So I scrapped all the forms I already filled, and started from the scratch. I even retained a lawyer for my case, for what I believe that a third person, the outsider, will let me know if my case is strong enough. That helped too. And yes, my case will be processed by CPC-Miss, instead of my local VO, HK, and for what I have been told it is because CIC believed that my case is a straight forward case. To be honest, if I rushed and submit my first version, my case probably will be end to HK. And a possible interview may be needed.
I understand what you are saying about diverting resources and what you say has truth to it. However it works both ways. Resources should be diverted to Mexico because they are extremely backlogged processing applicants from 22 different countries and they continue to consolidate VO's in Latinamerica and send all the applicants to Mexico to be processed. It seems to me that they are not diverting resources to this VO, thus applicants from other countries get interviews much faster than we do at this VO. We had no choice going through the Mexico City VO because my partner is from Chile.

We also went to an immigration consultant and paid her about $500 to look over our file and for various consultations. Previously we consulted with an immigration lawyer about other avenues to obtain permanent resident status for my partner to stay in Canada after his IEC work permit expired, which cost us another few hundreds of dollars.

I fully expected our app to take a long time to process and that they would want to interview us as our circumstances are complicated. However, going through this VO has been hellishly slow. They process apps in batches and we missed being in the previous batch it appears by a few days as early Jan applicants all got their interview dates and approvals. For this, we have to wait extra time, and I'm talking about months here as it looks like interviews only happen every 3 months. I don't know any other VO that does this and find this unfair for those of us having to go through this VO. They summarized our relationship back in May when they did a pre-assessment on the evidence we submitted and they didn't flag us at this point for an interview, which I think they might have done at other VO's. So frustrating.

There are also cases like ours which get the short end of the stick and it was not because we didn't do our homework before submitting our app (we also spent 4 - 6 months doing up our app and collecting documents and filling out forms multiple times). However, you do make good points about people diverting resources because they did not do their homework and submit weak apps that require more investigation and causing more misery for the rest of us because it backlogs the system even more.
 

ateja

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Dec 18, 2017
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US Canada applications are faster because of the border and like you said less fraud and mainly background check on people is much much easier and quicker! However I know 2 people personally who wanted to bring their spouse over and it took them like 15 months.
The third case I know was really sad and stupid, they dint let the US citizen to visit canada until paper work was done and put her up on black list for like 1 year.
 

JulianaAndrew

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Feb 14, 2017
670
314
Colombia
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Bogota
App. Filed.......
26-07-2017
Doc's Request.
Schedule A and PCC: 01-09-2017
AOR Received.
AOR1: 01-09-2017, AOR2: 19-09-2017
File Transfer...
15-09-2017
Med's Request
02-01-2018
Med's Done....
23-01-2018
Interview........
06-12-2017 - Passed
Passport Req..
06-12-2017
VISA ISSUED...
05-03-2018
LANDED..........
10-03-2018
Maybe I am in US, so I am more familiar with US immigration policy. I believe no countries will provide you any detailed reasons for why your application is denied, at least not the US. If US consular denies a visitor visa, they usually just provide you a code, that means you have immigration intent, while trying to apply a non immigration VISA.
Canada provides detailed reasons, but you have to request them. Not a lot of people know about this, but even a TRV that was denied can be fully explained (you can obtain the exact notes from the officer that led to refusal). You do have to go through a process to request the explanation, very similar to requesting GCMS notes.
 

ateja

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Dec 18, 2017
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Canada provides detailed reasons, but you have to request them. Not a lot of people know about this, but even a TRV that was denied can be fully explained (you can obtain the exact notes from the officer that led to refusal). You do have to go through a process to request the explanation, very similar to requesting GCMS notes.
I did not know that, the reason for my refusal was very stupid and unclear. May be I should look into that and try re-applying again.
 

majesty

Hero Member
Feb 10, 2017
782
241
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mexico
App. Filed.......
25-01-2017
AOR Received.
23-02-2017 (AOR 1); 26-05-2017 (AOR2)
File Transfer...
13/03/2017
Med's Done....
30-07-2016 (Passed)
I did not know that, the reason for my refusal was very stupid and unclear. May be I should look into that and try re-applying again.
Canada provides detailed reasons, but you have to request them. Not a lot of people know about this, but even a TRV that was denied can be fully explained (you can obtain the exact notes from the officer that led to refusal). You do have to go through a process to request the explanation, very similar to requesting GCMS notes.
Interesting, thanks for posting this. Again, another example of government secrecy!
 

JulianaAndrew

Hero Member
Feb 14, 2017
670
314
Colombia
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Bogota
App. Filed.......
26-07-2017
Doc's Request.
Schedule A and PCC: 01-09-2017
AOR Received.
AOR1: 01-09-2017, AOR2: 19-09-2017
File Transfer...
15-09-2017
Med's Request
02-01-2018
Med's Done....
23-01-2018
Interview........
06-12-2017 - Passed
Passport Req..
06-12-2017
VISA ISSUED...
05-03-2018
LANDED..........
10-03-2018
Interesting, thanks for posting this. Again, another example of government secrecy!
Yeah... but any respectable immigration lawyer would know about this, since they do it regularly.
 
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canuck_in_uk

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May 4, 2012
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Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
06/12
Canada provides detailed reasons, but you have to request them. Not a lot of people know about this, but even a TRV that was denied can be fully explained (you can obtain the exact notes from the officer that led to refusal). You do have to go through a process to request the explanation, very similar to requesting GCMS notes.
Not sure what different process you are referring to, as someone refused a TRV will still be requesting GCMS notes.
 
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JulianaAndrew

Hero Member
Feb 14, 2017
670
314
Colombia
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Bogota
App. Filed.......
26-07-2017
Doc's Request.
Schedule A and PCC: 01-09-2017
AOR Received.
AOR1: 01-09-2017, AOR2: 19-09-2017
File Transfer...
15-09-2017
Med's Request
02-01-2018
Med's Done....
23-01-2018
Interview........
06-12-2017 - Passed
Passport Req..
06-12-2017
VISA ISSUED...
05-03-2018
LANDED..........
10-03-2018
Not sure what different process you are referring to, as someone refused a TRV will still be requesting GCMS notes.
That must be it then, I don't remember exactly what I read, but I'm confident you are right about that.
 

JulianaAndrew

Hero Member
Feb 14, 2017
670
314
Colombia
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Bogota
App. Filed.......
26-07-2017
Doc's Request.
Schedule A and PCC: 01-09-2017
AOR Received.
AOR1: 01-09-2017, AOR2: 19-09-2017
File Transfer...
15-09-2017
Med's Request
02-01-2018
Med's Done....
23-01-2018
Interview........
06-12-2017 - Passed
Passport Req..
06-12-2017
VISA ISSUED...
05-03-2018
LANDED..........
10-03-2018
Perhaps you read an old thread where it was referred to as CAIPS notes, which was the name of the system used prior to GCMS.
Actually you're right, that's the thing I read. I guess I didn't check the date of the article I was reading. Anyway, thanks for making it clear for me and everyone else!
 

ateja

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Dec 18, 2017
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A generous journalist from CTV is willing to interview few people from Calgary who are facing this issue currently or faced it in the near past to make our voice heard. Please let me know if anyone is interested as I am not in Calgary currently.

Or do you guys even think its worth a shot going to media? Would that piss off people? I am not sure
 

ateja

Star Member
Dec 18, 2017
51
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Well they are wanting to interview atleast 2/3 people so I guess I dont have any volunteers ..
 
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mikeymyke

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My wife is from a country that's difficult to get TRV from, and she was married already to me before applying for one. I remember asking people on this forum about applying for one, and almost everyone said it was impossible to get a TRV when married, but I went ahead and spent a lot of time and submitted lots of docs, and she got one valid for life of her passport. Subsequently, we applied a trv for her mom, and she got one valid for life of her passport as well.

While its true that luck plays a part in the success of getting a TRV, I believe most of it depends on the strength of the application. I tend to see a lot of refusals stem from people not submitting enough docs or not going into detail as to purpose of visit, or getting someone to deposit a large amount of money into bank acccount to prove sufficient funds (a common mistake) . Its true that a visitor is supposed to show theyre only here temporarily despite applying for PR as a spouse, but you can prove that you're a PR applicant who will leave Canada before the TRV expires
 
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