Is this the only way to start petitions? Will it end up in the hands of some lobbyist? Is it better to go to the MP and see if they can get something going?
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Maybe I am in US, so I am more familiar with US immigration policy. I believe no countries will provide you any detailed reasons for why your application is denied, at least not the US. If US consular denies a visitor visa, they usually just provide you a code, that means you have immigration intent, while trying to apply a non immigration VISA.
It’s simple. A TRV is for Temporary residents. Temporary is the key to the whole thing. The fact that spouse, particularly those with a sponsorship in progress, is generally planning on staying in Canada permanently, that violates the intent of the TRV. It’s a catch 22. You can sometimes overcome it using dual intent, but that can be tricky. Ultimately for any entry into Canada, CBSA has the last say, and if they don’t feel you plan on leaving, again it can result in a refusal. It’s all a matter of detail. A TRV refusal for a spouse planning to settle in Canada is completely valid, as they really aren’t visitor or temporary residents.
I was just planning on sending that link to the IRCC office or something along those lines. I did not expect them to actually send out the letter.
Do you guys think that works? or bad idea?
Dude, you can do whatever you want, and you don't have to suck it up. But the reality is that any policy change is a much complexity process, and immigration policy is a domestic policy, unless there is a huge demand from Canada's citizens, and they force their MP to raise the issue (the successful example is the removal of 2 years conditional residency), the Canada government really won't give a damn to any foreigners's complains.
Hey, if you really want yourself to be on their black list, you can do whatever you want. Although I don't know if there is such a list exist, but if you pissed off them, I believe CIC is reaaaaaly easy to stall your application for a looooong time, while they can keep denying your TRV application.
You are right, I am well aware that the government doesn't give a bleep, since I am still stuck here after almost a year! Just trying to sympathize and help out this OP. However, maybe it makes people feel better to rant and being united in ranting! BTW, I'm not a Dude!
There is a fine balance in being proactive and pissing them off. Make sure you don't cross that line.
So what were you hoping to gain from doing this ... that they might actually lodge a complaint with someone higher up in this bureaucratic nightmare of a department?
I am sorry, Miss. There are some valid reasons for everybody stuck here for a year, it is because Canada is a much welcomed and generous immigration country that a lot people wanted to come here. But the resources of Canada government is not unlimited, there are only certain amount resources can be devoted to CIC. Like what you said there is a balance somewhere in the system. And so far, the Canada immigration system is one of the easiest while fair system around. And plus, it is only unfair that Canada shut off the channel to every aboard spouse to obtain TRV to come here, but it is not the case. Canada does allow aboard spouse to apply TRV, and people do get them, difficult? yes. The OP get denied his TRV, I believe he doesn't demonstrate enough ties to his home country, or something else. His TRV denied, it is not necessary means the system is unfair.
Just goes to show, misery does love company.
For all it’s worth, whether it’s successful or not, at least the OP has actually done something constructive to further their cause, and more importantly, for others as well. Rather than ranting and whining about how unfair it all is (it’s not if you understand the processes and requirements) they have made a constructive effort to facilitate a change. If it doesn’t work the first time, find a better venue or means. You may not benefit from this in anyway, but at least you tried.
There is no “blacklist” for people who try to encourage improvement. That’s just cynical nonsense that instills non-existent fear of speaking out in a free country. That is how change occurs.
I like your comment, it is really a high bar. But reality is a bitch. I worked with government and talked to government official in US, I know a thing or two how they treated what they seemed and deemed as "Trouble Maker". Of cause, nobody will admit anything, but you will find eventually that whatever you want them to do or to proceed something for you, they can always find a way legally stall it or even block it within their authority. For all that matters, they are humans, and they hate complains, especially the one that is totally not their fault.
Also, I didn't see any constructive side of his petition. It is more like a whining that either my way or that is unfair. So his TRV is denied so he wanted to create a new VISA, how about I read someone that her daughter is real sick and wanted her sister to come here, if not, let's file a petition, or how about someone's Tax is $200 short to meet the minimum requirement to sponsor his parents, let's petition, and so on..., well, the next is for sure that everybody can file a petition to their best interest, you call it constructive, I call it a chaos.
I don't know the reasons behind these people's denials ... it is not even clear from this OP's post if denial of TRV's is the problem with these spouses not being able to be together. I am just guessing from what I read here that most of the people who signed this petition appear to be from India and/or Pakistan who may have particular issues which IRCC has with their specific countries in terms of spousal sponsorship (please correct me if I am wrong, I am only making some assumptions from what I know) and are not able to be together after marriage for the TRV reasons or others.
I remember that a while ago, there was a post about some person who was hired by IRCC to do some kind of customer satisfaction review with this whole process (again I may have been dreaming). I would think that an issue like this would be something that this person/group should be made aware of and might actually be an avenue where this group could lodge a complaint or express their concerns.
As for myself, I do like to gripe as I feel I have gotten the short end of the stick on some things that happened with our processing, mostly to do with inconsistencies that occur within how VO's go about with their processing. I am well aware of the fact that there are limited resources and a lot of bureaucratic inefficiencies in this system that won't get overhauled anytime soon ... however, some minor changes is all I wish to see to alleviate other's suffering here. We are at the end of our process ... sooner or later it will come to an end in the next few months, whatever the outcome.
However, the one thing I have gained from this experience, is that if the government would just make a few changes to become more transparent as to why things are happening, whether it is why your TRV got denied, what stage you are at in this process on eCAS and GCKey account, so I don't have to email the VO, bother IRCC Call centre or contact my MP after 8 months of not hearing anything unless I ask them what is going on (and I did this very nicely) so that I don't have to put my life and my partner's life on hold about make plans for the future in this very short life we are given to live.
Yes, I do agree with you on this. Some minor changes do need to keep improving the whole system, but any changes, small or major, will require more resources and more importantly, Time, to implement. And sometimes a change will benefit one group and raise trouble for another group, for instance, before the new application into effect, the US applicants waited about 4 months for the whole process, now, it is longer than 6 months, but for others, specifically for those from third world countries, about 80% of their application will be done within 12 months, instead of years, that is a change. So, do you think all the US applicants would feel fair, because they need to wait longer now?
And it is not just Canada, the US is about the same, the applicants from India or other high immigration demand countries are always wait much longer than some other countries, so far, Indians will wait about 10 years to be current to adjust their status from H1-B, it is because they have huge number of application submitted every year. And it is often that the US will deny the visitor VISA without giving any detail reasons. A simple code that represents the applicant has immigration intent, is all you get.
I don't want to go comparing what other countries are doing. They have their own history and political systems and agendas. Yes, if you simply look at it in terms of how many Visas they issue and how long it takes to get some kind of status into the country, Canada's might seem like a super easy system.
I'd rather concentrate on what is happening in this system, since I and people on this forum are stuck in this system.
I realize that US citizens seem to take longer to get processed now. But really, it should take as long as it should take based on criteria all people should be scrutinized under this program and steps. If you start talking about US citizens should get some preferential treatment because the majority don't go through arranged marriages as is customary in some countries in Asia or other places/religious groups etc and that their cases are more "straightforward" because they are our neighbours, then I don't agree. No matter what country you come from, if your case is "simple" no relationship complications, criminal/security issues, less things to scrutinize, then it should take a shorter time. This is fair. I think what was not fair for some US citizens with "simpler cases" which stretched out their processing times was the changes they made the change from processing in Ottawa to going back to being processed in Mississauga (I don't know exactly), or at least that appeared to be the case and many got stuck in the not getting transferred mode and no processing was being done because they were trying to figure out how to deal with backlogs, IDK. The same thing happened to my case with the background check, which they started at Mississauga and then this caused more delays because they didn't communicate well with the VO since they changed the way they did things and might have caused delay in them asking for my RCMP Report since the VO usually requests this and it said in my GCMS notes that it was requested but Mississauga didn't send the email and neither did the VO. There seemed to be some confusion on both their parts by changing the way things were done, ironically maybe in their attempt to alleviate backlogs and make things go faster.
Honestly every VO has backlogs, which I know about all too well as Mexico, our VO is now processing applicants from 22 or 23 different countries and I see that they are still closing more VO's and sending those applicants to Mexico.
I just want to see a system where all VO's are using the same standards to process applicants, which to me is another big thing making this system unfair. I wonder if our app had been processed at a different VO, maybe I would have been done long ago? That would be an interesting scenario to investigate.