To err or not to err, an inner Dilemma

[EnigmaticQuasar]

Dear Members,

I write this post with a torn and pensive mind and a heavy heart. This is my first post here, don't blame me for asking help right away, I did not know of this forum until an hour ago. I request members not to judge me for ethical or moral lapses in my judgement.

I have got my IELTS results, I have achieved the 8777 mark with no preparation. My ECA report states my education is of Canadian Masters equivalency. I have a little over 13,000 CAD in my account for the past six months, I am 28 years old and I am eligible for the express entry in all areas except my Work Experience.

Let me explain: After I'd completed my masters degree, there were some urgent and pressing, unavoidable circumstances in my family and personal life that meant I couldn't work. After a year or so, I started a small scale business which was perfectly legal except that it wasn't a registered entity/company, which meant I couldn't use it for self-employed work experience, with the money I saved up from this business, I started a company a year ago, this time legally registering it, setting up an office etc.. fast forward six months, I was cheated by my partner and I lost a lot of money, I had to shut down my office a few months ago and I'm back to square one, I'm quite depressed and jobs I've been applying to either reject me for having no experience or pay me peanuts, not even enough to manage my needs. I decided its time to leave this country once and for all, to start life afresh, one could go so far as even calling me desperate.

An acquaintance who owns a company has agreed to give me work experience letters for a certain sum of money, I've already received an offer letter dated three years ago and a reference letter dated two months ago, we have mentioned a low salary and stated that I received it in cash so I don't need to show bank statements, he might even give me pay slips if I request him for it. I'm very tempted to start off my EE application and move out of here asap. I'm only worried that a VO might google the company name and call the office to ask about me instead of calling the number on the reference letter, the staff working for my acquaintance might goof up and I might be banned for five years which is the last thing I want to do, this acquaintance has also offered that I could work for him for the next six months or until I receive my COPR (for no pay) as this will minimize chances of his staff screwing up If I'm physically present in the office. With this work experience my CRS comes to 481, without it I'm not even eligible. I am very nervous and uneasy about this whole thing, with much difficulty I have managed to put together the minimum funds required for EE eligibility. I haven't ever done anything illegal before in my life and this is eating me up inside, the only thing worse than this is my determination to leave this country and start my life afresh. I request the members here to help me make a decision and/or point out any flaws in my plan of action either by replying here or messaging me in private. I'm just so lost. Thank you all!

-EnigmaticQuasar.

 

[scylla]

Dear Members,

I write this post with a torn and pensive mind and a heavy heart. This is my first post here, don't blame me for asking help right away, I did not know of this forum until an hour ago. I request members not to judge me for ethical or moral lapses in my judgement.

I have got my IELTS results, I have achieved the 8777 mark with no preparation. My ECA report states my education is of Canadian Masters equivalency. I have a little over 13,000 CAD in my account for the past six months, I am 28 years old and I am eligible for the express entry in all areas except my Work Experience.

Let me explain: After I'd completed my masters degree, there were some urgent and pressing, unavoidable circumstances in my family and personal life that meant I couldn't work. After a year or so, I started a small scale business which was perfectly legal except that it wasn't a registered entity/company, which meant I couldn't use it for self-employed work experience, with the money I saved up from this business, I started a company a year ago, this time legally registering it, setting up an office etc.. fast forward six months, I was cheated by my partner and I lost a lot of money, I had to shut down my office a few months ago and I'm back to square one, I'm quite depressed and jobs I've been applying to either reject me for having no experience or pay me peanuts, not even enough to manage my needs. I decided its time to leave this country once and for all, to start life afresh, one could go so far as even calling me desperate.

An acquaintance who owns a company has agreed to give me work experience letters for a certain sum of money, I've already received an offer letter dated three years ago and a reference letter dated two months ago, we have mentioned a low salary and stated that I received it in cash so I don't need to show bank statements, he might even give me pay slips if I request him for it. I'm very tempted to start off my EE application and move out of here asap. I'm only worried that a VO might google the company name and call the office to ask about me instead of calling the number on the reference letter, the staff working for my acquaintance might goof up and I might be banned for five years which is the last thing I want to do, this acquaintance has also offered that I could work for him for the next six months or until I receive my COPR (for no pay) as this will minimize chances of his staff screwing up If I'm physically present in the office. With this work experience my CRS comes to 481, without it I'm not even eligible. I am very nervous and uneasy about this whole thing, with much difficulty I have managed to put together the minimum funds required for EE eligibility. I haven't ever done anything illegal before in my life and this is eating me up inside, the only thing worse than this is my determination to leave this country and start my life afresh. I request the members here to help me make a decision and/or point out any flaws in my plan of action either by replying here or messaging me in private. I'm just so lost. Thank you all!

-EnigmaticQuasar.

No one here is going to assist you in committing fraud in your application. If you want help lying - you've come to the wrong forum. People who commit fraud are the reason why the application process is so long and involved - and why the background checks are so extensive.

If you decide to go ahead and commit fraud - I sincerely hope you are caught and banned from Canada for five years for misrepresentation.

 

[santosh3086]

Dear Members,

I write this post with a torn and pensive mind and a heavy heart. This is my first post here, don't blame me for asking help right away, I did not know of this forum until an hour ago. I request members not to judge me for ethical or moral lapses in my judgement.

I have got my IELTS results, I have achieved the 8777 mark with no preparation. My ECA report states my education is of Canadian Masters equivalency. I have a little over 13,000 CAD in my account for the past six months, I am 28 years old and I am eligible for the express entry in all areas except my Work Experience.

Let me explain: After I'd completed my masters degree, there were some urgent and pressing, unavoidable circumstances in my family and personal life that meant I couldn't work. After a year or so, I started a small scale business which was perfectly legal except that it wasn't a registered entity/company, which meant I couldn't use it for self-employed work experience, with the money I saved up from this business, I started a company a year ago, this time legally registering it, setting up an office etc.. fast forward six months, I was cheated by my partner and I lost a lot of money, I had to shut down my office a few months ago and I'm back to square one, I'm quite depressed and jobs I've been applying to either reject me for having no experience or pay me peanuts, not even enough to manage my needs. I decided its time to leave this country once and for all, to start life afresh, one could go so far as even calling me desperate.

An acquaintance who owns a company has agreed to give me work experience letters for a certain sum of money, I've already received an offer letter dated three years ago and a reference letter dated two months ago, we have mentioned a low salary and stated that I received it in cash so I don't need to show bank statements, he might even give me pay slips if I request him for it. I'm very tempted to start off my EE application and move out of here asap. I'm only worried that a VO might google the company name and call the office to ask about me instead of calling the number on the reference letter, the staff working for my acquaintance might goof up and I might be banned for five years which is the last thing I want to do, this acquaintance has also offered that I could work for him for the next six months or until I receive my COPR (for no pay) as this will minimize chances of his staff screwing up If I'm physically present in the office. With this work experience my CRS comes to 481, without it I'm not even eligible. I am very nervous and uneasy about this whole thing, with much difficulty I have managed to put together the minimum funds required for EE eligibility. I haven't ever done anything illegal before in my life and this is eating me up inside, the only thing worse than this is my determination to leave this country and start my life afresh. I request the members here to help me make a decision and/or point out any flaws in my plan of action either by replying here or messaging me in private. I'm just so lost. Thank you all!

-EnigmaticQuasar.

This is fraud or misrepresentation. I would suggest not to do this. Go through this: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/protect-fraud/document-misrepresentation.html

 

[EnigmaticQuasar]

If you decide to go ahead and commit fraud - I sincerely hope you are caught and banned from Canada for five years for misrepresentation.

You are so full of hatred for someone you don't even know, if you think I shouldn't do it then simply say so. Cursing me and my dreams doesn't make you a better person, you have no idea of my journey and what I've been through to even come to this point where I'm compelled to take such risks and here you are sitting on your high horse wishing me the worst, thank you very much VIP member!

 

[canuck_in_uk]

You are so full of hatred for someone you don't even know, if you think I shouldn't do it then simply say so. Cursing me and my dreams doesn't make you a better person, you have no idea of my journey and what I've been through to even come to this point where I'm compelled to take such risks and here you are sitting on your high horse wishing me the worst, thank you very much VIP member!

There was no hatred in scylla's post. There is a very big difference between "taking risks" and breaking Canadian law. You will be making it that much harder for every person on this forum who is trying to come to Canada LEGALLY. As scylla said, you will get no help or advice on here and pretty much everyone is going to wish that you get caught and banned.

 

[Raz0r]

You are so full of hatred for someone you don't even know, if you think I shouldn't do it then simply say so. Cursing me and my dreams doesn't make you a better person, you have no idea of my journey and what I've been through to even come to this point where I'm compelled to take such risks and here you are sitting on your high horse wishing me the worst, thank you very much VIP member!

No journey gives you the right to Fraud yourself into anything. Be honest and enter the pool as everyone does. Finding a shortcut will reap repercussions onto yourself which could have been avoided if you thought straight. Good luck.

NOTE: Please don't make the PR journey any harder for others by lying on your file and making the process snail for everyone as a result. One humble request from another human.

 

[systix]

You are so full of hatred for someone you don't even know, if you think I shouldn't do it then simply say so. Cursing me and my dreams doesn't make you a better person, you have no idea of my journey and what I've been through to even come to this point where I'm compelled to take such risks and here you are sitting on your high horse wishing me the worst, thank you very much VIP member!

Dear individual,

Yes, very rarely do each one of us posting here know what the story of the other one is. I would request take a page off your own book. Do you know what the other members story is? Whom you just pointed out for being with hate? I would not presume myself to know.

But please do understand, that when they talk about fraud getting caught, they don't wish with malice. Their only concern and hope is that the system function in the manner it was designed to do so, for the benefit of us all, looking at us all in the same lens. The immigration intake is limited in every draw. Think about the number of people who may not have misrepresented anything but lose out because someone else did misrepresent. That is something that I think we all wish wouldn't happen.

As far as a suggestion would go (I would try not to make this just a rant post), no one here would ever encourage, give comments on, or recommend, fraud, myself included. I would hope once you are finally in Canada you wouldn't either… please do consider getting a legitimate job offer and work a couple of years, gain the experience and apply once again. Try to find other legitimate ways of immigrating with the different provincial nomination programs.

Please don't lose heart.

Cheers

 

[EnigmaticQuasar]

Dear individual,

Yes, very rarely do each one of us posting here know what the story of the other one is. I would request take a page off your own book. Do you know what the other members story is? Whom you just pointed out for being with hate? I would not presume myself to know. As far as a suggestion would go (I would try not to make this just a rant post), no one here would ever encourage, give comments on, or recommend, fraud, myself included. I would hope once you are finally in Canada you wouldn't either… please do consider getting a legitimate job offer and work a couple of years, gain the experience and apply once again. Try to find other legitimate ways of immigrating with the different provincial nomination programs.
Please don't lose heart.
Cheers

Thank you, If I didn't have this inner dilemma I wouldn't even bother creating a profile on here and starting a thread. i don't condone fraud or illegal activities, having lived in multiple countries in the past I haven't been involved in such things and that is the truth. People don't know my story, my struggle. If so many refugees who have gone through tough times are welcomed in Canada, I felt I can tell one white lie if it will change my life. I'll admit, It is a selfish decision, but the devil in my ear says desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[noscaf2014]

Thank you, If I didn't have this inner dilemma I wouldn't even bother creating a profile on here and starting a thread. i don't condone fraud or illegal activities, having lived in multiple countries in the past I haven't been involved in such things and that is the truth. People don't know my story, my struggle. If so many refugees who have gone through tough times are welcomed in Canada, I felt I can tell one white lie if it will change my life. I'll admit, It is a selfish decision, but the devil in my ear says desperate times call for desperate measures.

First, I hope you forget about the past and ignore such whispers into your ears.
Second, there is no such a thing as a "white lie" and this is what everyone has been trying to tell you from the beginning; it is fraud, crime, misrepresentation, illegal, immoral, etc.
Good luck!

 

[maged_mmh]

To the OP, you do not have any inner dilemma, you know what’s the right thing to do; you were just seeking validation for what you know NOT to do.

I’m sure you’re a good person, dreams are earned, not by cutting corners of course, work for a year and apply, Canada won’t disappear any time soon

 

[Raz0r]

Thank you, If I didn't have this inner dilemma I wouldn't even bother creating a profile on here and starting a thread. i don't condone fraud or illegal activities, having lived in multiple countries in the past I haven't been involved in such things and that is the truth. People don't know my story, my struggle. If so many refugees who have gone through tough times are welcomed in Canada, I felt I can tell one white lie if it will change my life. I'll admit, It is a selfish decision, but the devil in my ear says desperate times call for desperate measures.

There is no dilemma. If you listen to unwanted whispers and take decisions accordingly, then the results would be hard to bear. There is nothing known as a "White Lie". Everyone here is playing fairly, and so should you. Nothing and I mean nothing, gives you the right to bypass others with illegal advantage. This is not how it goes. Stick to what is right and before you know it, you shall reach your goals. Hope this clears the smoke for you. Good luck.