Did you flag pole today?
I will try again this Tuesday.
Feel free to share your experience,
Good luck guys.
Did you flag pole today?
I will try again this Tuesday.
Feel free to share your experience,
Good luck guys.
This is simply not true as a matter of law. Every country has sovereignty over its borders and territories. The laws of a country apply at the border, not "a few meters" later. For this reason, border checkpoints are within the territory of a country, otherwise how else could a country establish jurisdiction?Actually Not. There is (NOT) always a no man land between two borders of the countries. In my understanding there is a no man land between Canada and US borders. So you cross the Canada borders and US territory starts in few meters. They have secured that territory and this is where they stop you to enter. Before that point you are in no man's land. So You are already out of Canada (the reason you will enter again to complete the landing) and you have not entered USA and they refuse your entry, show you the gate to other country, which accepts you.
So you were never under the jurisdiction of either of the two countries !
This is correct in as a legal concept. The treaty that defines the border between Canada and US is the 49th parallel, which is a line, which means it has no thickness.This is simply not true as a matter of law. Every country has sovereignty over its borders and territories. The laws of a country apply at the border, not "a few meters" later. For this reason, border checkpoints are within the territory of a country, otherwise how else could a country establish jurisdiction?
There are thousands of kilometers of uncontrolled border between Canada and the U.S. This is not to say that a no man's land exists along this whole transact. Once you pass the 49th parallel, you are subject to the laws of the other country.
Just read the stories about recent migrants leaving the U.S. for Canada seeking asylum to know what I'm talking about:
http://www.npr.org/2017/04/12/522991849/one-taxi-drivers-mission-to-help-refugees-reach-the-canadian-border
Fair enough. I think you meant the markers are NOT perfectly straight.This is correct in as a legal concept. The treaty that defines the border between Canada and US is the 49th parallel, which is a line, which means it has no thickness.
The practical operation of border control, however, is not that clear. The 49th Parallel is marked by 900+ markers and they are perfectly straight. Some are off by a few hundred feet Imagine you committed a crime on the rainbow bridge while walking across, which country is going to press charges?
In essence once you are met with US border officers, you are subject to US in a legally perspective but not in immigration perspective. (Similarly in international airports) When you got the flagpole paper back, Canada will treat you entering Canada from US (Note Canada has no record of leaving the country)
I did, please see my previous commentDid you flag pole today?
That's very unfortunate. Couple of months ago I'm reading posts about how smooth landing process at Rainbow bridge. The week has just started and officers are cutting applicants at10am. I can't imagine how big that line up was! Are you going to give another shot at earlier time or you already considered booking an appointment at local VO?I did, please see my previous comment
You will not like this answer but just being approved for a permit of any kind or even having a COPR in hand does not give anyone any rights to demand or to expect that CBSA will automatically approve anyone at a time of the applicants chosing. CBSA as with any country border control can pick and chose who and when they let people into the country who are not already PRs or citizens for example or the timings when they process applications to change status.I tried to do my landing today. Failed again, they said they stopped doing it since 10 am cuz there were too many people lined up. I was there around 2pm.
I also saw a big pile of flagpole white paper on the officer's desk that were taken from other people who tried to do their PR landing, that's a lot of people's future..... They said even if I physically exit Canada and re-enter will be treated the same way because I'm doing the same thing.
Be prepared for folks who are planning to land at rainbow bridge, they are not treating us lawfully and fairly. I've sent a complaint through CBSA feedback form, not accepting this. I strongly recommend people who had the same experienced to send complaint too, that's the only way our voice can be heard. The more people complain the sonner they will reopen the full service.
Nor should it be, in my opinion. When I first heard about it, I was surprised at how commonplace it was and at how border officials on both sides didn't seem to mind in the slightest.I have a feeling that in the near future, flag poling will no longer be allowed...
Nor should it be, in my opinion. When I first heard about it, I was surprised at how commonplace it was and at how border officials on both sides didn't seem to mind in the slightest.
No, I had a talk with their supervisor at Rainbow Bridge through the phone, the supervisor in the phone was polite but said I will be treated the same way because I'm attempting to do the same thing, when they stop processing PR landing, they just stopped processing it no matter what. I know this is not fair to us, but I understand this is not fair for them either because the border has much more to care about than just PR landing, BUT, on the other hand, any updates, alerts or announcements should be posted on the official website so people can plan things ahead.How about I have a US visa and across the border without flagpole, which mean I will go back legally with Canadian WP and VISA.
Can I still landing from Rainbow bridge? Or even my situation doesn't work?
Please advise, seniors.