Bill C-6: Senate stage

[SufferInCan]

Yes that was the case for C-24; it got royal assent and some rules took up to a year to be implemented....

C-24 took one year to be implemented because the minister at that time wanted it to take one year. It is not the case with Bill C-6

 

[Vivianw86]

C-24 took one year to be implemented because the minister at that time wanted it to take one year. It is not the case with Bill C-6

Right , c24 only took five months from first reading to Royal Assent

 

[spiritsoul]

http://www.parl.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&billId=6401990
Royal Assent immediately

Royal assent is usually an immediate action, the effectiveness of a law conditions is something different that has to be in effect within a year from Royal assent.

 

[spyfy]

To clarify: Royal Assent means that the bill becomes law.
The coming into force clauses include references to the "Governor-in-Council". That is something else. To skip the legalese, what it means is that the Minister later sets a date at which particular provisions of the bill come into effect. There is no set time limit when this has to be the case. Theoretically it can be anything from within a day to within fifty years.

I would say that is a safe bet that it won't take more than a year. I would also say there is a good chance it's going to be less.

It can be expected that the Minister would announce pretty soon after the passage when he intends to activate the new rules.

 

[Joshua1]

I think the drag on this bill is caused by the "terrorism" aspect. The liberals (MPs) must have realized that they had to tread carefully because many Canadians (libs, cons, dems) are scared. So, it was deliberately drag as to not make too much noise in the media. However, I think the bill will 'soon' become law and implementation should not delay since C24 already streamlined the process.

 

[quasar81]

I think the drag on this bill is caused by the "terrorism" aspect. The liberals (MPs) must have realized that they had to tread carefully because many Canadians (libs, cons, dems) are scared. So, it was deliberately drag as to not make too much noise in the media. However, I think the bill will 'soon' become law and implementation should not delay since C24 already streamlined the process.

It is going to be tough for even liberal MPs to vote for it considering what you have already mentioned.

Tough days ahead for C-6, just like last 2 years, due to terrorism clause.

 

[capermanet]

It is going to be tough for even liberal MPs to vote for it considering what you have already mentioned.

Tough days ahead for C-6, just like last 2 years, due to terrorism clause.

C6 is at final stage, nothing to worry, just matter of time, it will become a law.

 

[tameraq]

So 4 years residence, 180 days physical presence per year, more rigorous language requirements didn't help filter many applicants who would've applied otherwise and thus reduced accumulating backlog?!

Just for the sake of explaining let's assume that C6 bill will become in force September 2017 including the 3/5 rule. this will mean that Immigrants who entered Canada (assuming all time present in Canada) in 2013 Oct,Nov, & Dec and 2014 Jan, Feb, March, April, May June, July, August & September were no table to apply on the 6/4 rule but they will be eligible to apply for citizenship under 3/5 rule on the same day. I believe that I read on one of the threads that CIC received around 6,200 citizenship application per month. so 6,200 X 12=74,400 applications will be received by CIC once the new rule comes in effect. that's at least a one year delay there on top of the regular processing times that is happening now which is about avg 6 months. so logically the processing time will be increased by at least one year due to the huge number of applications that will flow to CIC on the same week which create a huge backlog.

 

[Joshua1]

Just for the sake of explaining let's assume that C6 bill will become in force September 2017 including the 3/5 rule. this will mean that Immigrants who entered Canada (assuming all time present in Canada) in 2013 Oct,Nov, & Dec and 2014 Jan, Feb, March, April, May June, July, August & September were no table to apply on the 6/4 rule but they will be eligible to apply for citizenship under 3/5 rule on the same day. I believe that I read on one of the threads that CIC received around 6,200 citizenship application per month. so 6,200 X 12=74,400 applications will be received by CIC once the new rule comes in effect. that's at least a one year delay there on top of the regular processing times that is happening now which is about avg 6 months. so logically the processing time will be increased by at least one year due to the huge number of applications that will flow to CIC on the same week which create a huge backlog.

I believe the ambiguous "intent to reside" clause is the main reason potential applicants did not apply.

 

[Vivianw86]

They will discuss the C6 this week? Is it the on the agenda?

 

[VFX_man]

The dope legislation is advancing quickly presumably because there will be thousands and thousands of dope-smoking Canadians actively contacting their MPs' and Senators' offices to push for its rapid consideration. As previous posters on here have remarked, the offices of MPs and Senators do actually keep tallies of how many phone calls and e-mails they receive concerning each of the different Bills presently before Parliament, so as to be able to relay to their Member/Senator which matters are apparently most on the minds of Canadians. So it is not a waste of time for us to be phoning and e-mailing MPs and Senators concerning C-6. For the record, I'm absolutely against legalizing marijuana.

FYI -- The news is reporting [today June 5, 2017] they are tabling the Marijuana bill in the fall. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-pot-legalization-bill-1.4145993 and might be another year until it's finalized. So maybe C-6 might get more attention.

 

[pkin007]

Just for the sake of explaining let's assume that C6 bill will become in force September 2017 including the 3/5 rule. this will mean that Immigrants who entered Canada (assuming all time present in Canada) in 2013 Oct,Nov, & Dec and 2014 Jan, Feb, March, April, May June, July, August & September were no table to apply on the 6/4 rule but they will be eligible to apply for citizenship under 3/5 rule on the same day. I believe that I read on one of the threads that CIC received around 6,200 citizenship application per month. so 6,200 X 12=74,400 applications will be received by CIC once the new rule comes in effect. that's at least a one year delay there on top of the regular processing times that is happening now which is about avg 6 months. so logically the processing time will be increased by at least one year due to the huge number of applications that will flow to CIC on the same week which create a huge backlog.

You have assumed the world here my friend..and i am sure lot of it is incorrect as far as number of applications that will be submitted for citizenship and the time delay there in:

1. Because the costs of the citizenship applications have increased it will not be easy for say even a family of 4 with average means to apply for citizenship for all their family members on day 1 itself..so safe to assume that the increase in application would be staggered.
2. CIC is already receiving enhanced budget since last year i think to the tune of $26mil..think read somewhere to hire more folks so fair to assume that times will not increase to a larger extent.
3. Even if the time do start to spike CIC can always deploy more resources from other application areas they have that sort of leeway i am sure...

So to summarize:
1. Be Patient
2. Be Optimistic
3. Speculate Less

Are three things that will serve us well going forward

 

[lilen]

They will discuss the C6 this week? Is it the on the agenda?

still nothing is showed on the agenda, maybe it will be discussed this week

You have assumed the world here my friend..and i am sure lot of it is incorrect as far as number of applications that will be submitted for citizenship and the time delay there in:

1. Because the costs of the citizenship applications have increased it will not be easy for say even a family of 4 with average means to apply for citizenship for all their family members on day 1 itself..so safe to assume that the increase in application would be staggered.
2. CIC is already receiving enhanced budget since last year i think to the tune of $26mil..think read somewhere to hire more folks so fair to assume that times will not increase to a larger extent.
3. Even if the time do start to spike CIC can always deploy more resources from other application areas they have that sort of leeway i am sure...

So to summarize:
1. Be Patient
2. Be Optimistic
3. Speculate Less

Are three things that will serve us well going forward

+1

 

[nofrills]

It is being discussed - but it looks like a Conservative MP is stalling.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/mp-michelle-rempel-amanda-macdougall-filibuster-immigration-1.4141289

 

[pkin007]

The extra budget was for getting more new refugees and immigrants faster, not for citizenship processing. Actually the citizenship business of CIC is the lowest priority and least important of all. Here is the budget and resources planning for the citizenship processing in the next few years, they are actually decreasing.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/rpp/2016-2017/#a2.3.2.2
2016-2017
FTEs: 746
Spending: 59,242,589
2017-2018
FTEs: 730
Spending: 57,832,643
2018-2019
FTEs: 727
Spending: 57,482,618

and in same publication we can also see the below :

Planning Highlights

• Introduce and implement amendments to the Citizenship Act to remove the Government’s ability to revoke the citizenship of dual nationals on national interest grounds, to restore credit for time spent as a foreign student or other temporary resident for those applying for citizenship, and to eliminate the requirement for new citizens to declare that they intend to reside in Canada.
• Work to reduce application processing times for citizenship and adhere to the 12-month processing service standard (for applications received after April 1, 2015). This will be achieved by managing the flow of applications to capitalize on where network capacity is available, as well as by exploring efficiencies from modernization initiatives to improve processing times.
• Continue to make improvements to the efficiency and effectiveness of the Citizenship Program, to enhance efforts to promote awareness of the values of Canadian citizenship, and protect the integrity of the citizenship process.
• In preparation for Canada 150, to be celebrated in 2017, update the citizenship study guide, Discover Canada: The Rights and Responsibilities of Citizenship, and develop material to help citizenship applicants better prepare for the citizenship knowledge test.